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I am sick of cleaning and replacing filters (Read 3717 times)
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Re: I am sick of cleaning and replacing filter
Reply #60 -
04/26/06 at 6:52pm
Quote from Carmine_Difazio
on 04/23/06 at 8:04pm:
Yes, I'm interested in hearing Bruce's answers to these straight forward questions in one post. And his comparative analyses and ratings of these 3 vacuum cleaners from his personal use and perspective also in one post. I think the Forum would benefit from his personal knowledge and the response would address the posters questions.
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We would benefit more if you got off the forum. Maybe that is too harsh. You can not help if you forget and ask the same question repeatedly.
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Re: I am sick of cleaning and replacing filters
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04/27/06 at 3:25am
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on 04/26/06 at 12:02pm:
Looks like this is an interesting topic. Well here is my update. I bought a Hoover Empower (?). Cleans wonderfully and I love the attachements. After running itonce on all 3 floors and emptying the dirt cup( Less than 1/2 full) I took a look at the filter and took it outside to TAP it clean.
I think more dust was created that there was dirt on my patio after all winter !
I am going to try to vacuum the filter with my Bissel that only has suction remaining when using the hose.
It should not be this hard to clean your floors!
I'm hoping you didn't purchase this POS hoover on Carmines account because he doesn't know what he's talking about. The fact remains that "ANY" vacuum cleaner that utilizes a pleated filter as its "main" filtering media [including the hoover z's] are going to be a mess to empty and maintain... AND more important are going to restrict and clog in a short period of time. Doesn't matter if the filter is coated with teflon, shmeshlon or any other substance known to mankind. Pleated filters are unhealthy to deal with and will require frequent replacements over their dismal and short life expectancy.
There appears to be only a few bagless vacuums on todays market that do not require these costly and messy filter replacements >AND< maintain consistent suction. As RAT previously stated, the Rainbow and Dyson fall into this catagory.
The Dyson in particular is the most user friendly of all bagless vacuums on the market today. It only requires "TWO SECONDS" to press the release button on the top of the dirt receptacle which in turn releases the trap door and its contents. There is NO pleated filter to maintain. By design, the Dyson is capable of removing the majority of its inhaled debris "before" it can ever reach the prefilter. The result and benefit of this technology is that the prefilter [under normal household useage] only requires an occassional rinsing every six months AND the vacuum maintains consistent air flow and suction between cleanings. Try going that long with your new hoover?? You quickly learned the mess involved in cleaning/emptying your new hoover on the very first day you used it. Now that you know what's involved, you'll eventually dread using it and postpone cleaning the pleated filter. The end result is performance goes down the toilet.
Money spent on the Dyson will be well worth the investment if you're seeking a truly easy to use and maintain bagless upright.
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Re: I am sick of cleaning and replacing filters
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04/28/06 at 10:33am
Dyson is the highest priced bagless on the USA market. THere are several posters who have informed the Forum of dyson issues/problems experienced during and after warranty. You may want to read these posts to see if you have similar circumstances that may lead to the same problems.
Dyson has not been reviewed yet in the USA for its repairs and maintenance. It's due having been on the USA market for 4 years now and coming out of normal and extended warranties. Several vacuum industry pros on the Forum have also posted about their personal and professional experiences with dysons. You should read for background and information.
In the UK and Europe where dysons have been around longer than the USA, the dyson has repeatedly been rated and reviewed as requiring more frequent and costly repairs and maintenance than the average vacuums, most especially vacuums comparable in price range.
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Re: I am sick of cleaning and replacing filters
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04/28/06 at 7:49pm
Quote from Carmine_Difazio
on 04/28/06 at 10:33am:
Dyson is the highest priced bagless on the USA market. THere are several posters who have informed the Forum of dyson issues/problems experienced during and after warranty. You may want to read these posts to see if you have similar circumstances that may lead to the same problems.
Dyson has not been reviewed yet in the USA for its repairs and maintenance. It's due having been on the USA market for 4 years now and coming out of normal and extended warranties. Several vacuum industry pros on the Forum have also posted about their personal and professional experiences with dysons. You should read for background and information.
In the UK and Europe where dysons have been around longer than the USA, the dyson has repeatedly been rated and reviewed as requiring more frequent and costly repairs and maintenance than the average vacuums, most especially vacuums comparable in price range.
Carmine D.
You might possibly find a half dozen individuals who have complained on this forum about Dyson. You will find at least as many who prefer Dyson. Complaints are nothing compared to units sold. Remember, those with problems (even if not the vacuums fault) scream loudest.
Do others find it odd that a few on this forum made their fortunes repairing vacuums yet they never worked on Dysons. I have not heard of any making money on Dyson repairs. What brands could possibly need so many repairs to keep independents in business? Certainly not Dyson.
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04/28/06 at 10:49pm
We certainly have made quite a bit on Dyson repairs. Interestingly they have all been warranty repairs too, since Dyson pays us for the labor. One month we did just under $1,000 on Dyson warranty repairs.
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04/28/06 at 11:16pm
I to do dyson warranty's. They sure do take care of thier customer and they have made a conscious effort to steer business to hometown shops. I find most of the dyson business that ends up here revolves around filters not being cleaned and or brushbars not being cleaned. Was the customer is educated we don't see them for repair again. Although we have had our share of those who traded in for an upgraded dyson. Now if only they come out with another new model to bring more repeat dyson fans in.
Vacuuman,
The fact that your store would sign a contract to be an authorized dyson dealer and then take shots at it as an "insider" speaks to an ugly side of this business that I can not respect. If you do not believe it is good for your customers be honest and agree not to represent them anymore if you are the decision maker if not at least try to me a loyal employee and respect your owners decision. I will not pretend to represent a product I don't beleive in. It is not honest
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Re: I am sick of cleaning and replacing filters
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04/29/06 at 10:29am
Quote from Carmine_Difazio
on 04/28/06 at 10:33am:
Dyson is the highest priced bagless on the USA market. THere are several posters who have informed the Forum of dyson issues/problems experienced during and after warranty. You may want to read these posts to see if you have similar circumstances that may lead to the same problems.
Quote from HARDSELL
on 04/28/06 at 7:49pm:
You might possibly find a half dozen individuals who have complained on this forum about Dyson. You will find at least as many who prefer Dyson. Complaints are nothing compared to units sold. Remember, those with problems (even if not the vacuums fault) scream loudest.
Apparently, I fit into both categories! I described a dyson problem which was resolved to my satisfaction by a suggestion from dyson which would not be appropriate for everyone (cf. the "dyson dysfunction" thread several months ago.) But I feel that Dyson was responsive, and I like the dyson and use it regularly.
"Complaints are nothing compared to the number of units sold." Agreed! On this forum I don't think we hear form a representative sample of everyday users of other vacs who have major problems requiring repair or disposal. For example, shortly after I bought my Hoover "Commercial" canister, (many years ago, which I still have and use occasionally) the foot-switch housing screw tab broke, causing the switch to disappear under the cover. That should not have happened to a switch designed to be operated by stepping on it. I repaired it myself with some epoxy, which for me was easier than lugging it to a repair shop. The plastic (or nylon or whatever) latching tabs on the attachment tubes have failed both on this machne and on my Dial, another problem not due to operator error, and which should not have happened considering the price of the machines. So the list goes on with all vacs. CR has recently issued their on-line survey which includes vacuum cleaners, which should be out in the Fall sometime. I'll be interested to see where dyson falls in the reliability ratings. It may not be as idiot-proof as some machines, but the basic care is generally so simple that I'm not concerned about the careless users.
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Re: I am sick of cleaning and replacing filters
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04/29/06 at 11:22am
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on 04/28/06 at 11:16pm:
Vacuuman,
The fact that your store would sign a contract to be an authorized dyson dealer and then take shots at it as an "insider" speaks to an ugly side of this business that I can not respect. If you do not believe it is good for your customers be honest and agree not to represent them anymore if you are the decision maker if not at least try to me a loyal employee and respect your owners decision. I will not pretend to represent a product I don't beleive in. It is not honest
As a consumer I could not agree more. If I were to walk into a shop that was signed on as an official representative of any company and they proceeded to talk negatively about that company, I would never be found patronizing that store again. If they would lie to the company or enter a contract dishonestly why would I believe anything they tell me as a consumer.
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Re: I am sick of cleaning and replacing filters
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04/29/06 at 2:17pm
How about the service centers that have customers beg them to repair their vacuums, only to tell the customer that if they supply us the parts we will repair them, Dyson is one of the few that lock out parts wholesalers from buying and distributing to the vac shops.More parts are available for euro pro than dyson right now.Mr D better get his act together and very soon. AFTER THE SALE ITS THE SERVICE THAT COUNTS.
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Re: I am sick of cleaning and replacing filters
Reply #69 -
04/29/06 at 5:50pm
Artie:
I was speaking more to consumers with high pile carpets and thick nap that are troubling for the dyson clutch and brush bar. And the DC07 dirt bins that leak dust due to the poor hinge and closing gasket.
Add to these issues the regular need to cut off the hair wrap and pet hair from the DC07 and DC14 brush rolls, if applicable, and the dyson users will have their maintenance work cut out for them. For the high prices, should dyson users really have these problems to deal with? If you need a belt changed on the dyson, what does that cost? $90? And the users can't do it.
Several current Forum vacuum professionals like vacuuman, Tiger21, Old-timer and Dual have consistently posted about their preoccupation to repair and/or trade dysons regularly as part of their core vacuum repair business and income, including warranty work. The dysons are only 4 years into their tenure in the USA.
As time goes by and Consumer Reports researches dyson vacuum maintenace costs further, more will be learned about the reliability and cost to run and maintain dysons over time. This repair information which is currently primarily among the vacuum industry insider pros will become common knowledge for the consumers.
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