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I am sick of cleaning and replacing filters
04/10/06 at 11:43am
 
I want to go back to a reliable, cleaner with bags.  What suggestions do you have?
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Reply #1 - 04/10/06 at 2:38pm
 
Vacuums aren't a one-size fits all appliance.  For a good match, you need to say more about how you will be using the machine and what's important to you.  The type of flooring in your home, your budget, and any desirable features you might like will help to narrow down your choices.  Do you prefer an upright or a canister?   Do you clean with attachments?  Is filtration important - i.e. do you have allergies to dust or dust mites?  Do you need a light weight vacuum?  Some vacuums that are optimal for cut pile carpeting, don't work as well on berber.  
 
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Reply #2 - 04/10/06 at 2:55pm
 
GrinRat has it right a easy way is go to a Independent vac store and tell them what you are cleaning your budget and what you want the vacuum to do and in just a few minutes they will have answered your question and you may even take one home
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Reply #3 - 04/10/06 at 3:06pm
 
Quote from bonelady   on 04/10/06 at 11:43am:
I want to go back to a reliable, cleaner with bags. What suggestions do you have?

 
 
If you check out Consumer Reports, you'll find that Kirby has the best reliability for uprights.  Miele and Kenmore have the highest reliability for bagged canisters.  I believe Rainbow had the best reliability for canisters.  Note that many brands were excluded from the ratings.
 
Sebo uprights, made in Germany, tend to be very reliable.    They are also available as commercial models rebadged as Windsors.  They are very quiet, have excellent filtration, and have easy to change bags.   Unfortunately, they are on the expensive side.  They have a lifetime cogged belt.  
 
Sears has a pretty good selection of vacuums in the under $500 range.  In fact, Kenmore models did really well in the last round of Consumer Reports testing.  Sears should allow you to test drive vacuums.  If you take one home and don't like it, Sears has a pretty generous return policy.  
 
There are some excellent brands that are vac store only.  Brands like Miele, Lindhaus, Sebo, Riccar, Simplicity, Lux, Premium Panasonics, and so forth will only be available at vac stores.  
 
Although you have been very dissatisfied with bagless vacuums, you should keep an open mind.   Some don't have the awful pleated filters.  For example, the Rainbow canister uses water to capture dirt, and is easy to empty.  Although Dyson's may not meet your reliability requirements (reliability has not been established in the US), they are fairly hygenic as far as bagless goes.    
 
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Reply #4 - 04/10/06 at 4:38pm
 
IF you had a Dyson, you would never be 'sick' of cleaning or replacing filters.  ONLY on vacuums that use INFERIOR technology (non-dyson machines) does this occur.
 
Going back to the smelly old bag is an acceptable thing IF someone does not or can not afford a Dyson.  Bags clog, which reduce the suction just like the filters in your old cleaner.  Plus, they cost money.  Not only for the bags, but for the belts and Hepa filters TOO.  I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would want to buy bags, unless they were so rich that money meant nothing to them.
 
If there were ever invented a car, that used water instead of gas, who would buy anything else?  Can you imagine a car dealer saying "sure, there's that car that costs nothing to drive since it doesn't use gas, BUT, you should really buy a car that uses gas, to keep the gas stations in business."  Same with vacs.  Is there any reason to use bags, belts, or filters (when there IS a vacuum that doesn't need them), EXCEPT to keep the needy vac shop owners in business.  Bags, belts, and filters are extremely high profit items.  And we wouldn't, of course, want to make the vac shop owners do without.  Now would we?
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Reply #5 - 04/10/06 at 5:27pm
 
Quote from dualcyclone   on 04/10/06 at 4:38pm:
IF you had a Dyson, you would never be 'sick' of cleaning or replacing filters. ONLY on vacuums that use INFERIOR technology (non-dyson machines) does this occur.

Going back to the smelly old bag is an acceptable thing IF someone does not or can not afford a Dyson. Bags clog, which reduce the suction just like the filters in your old cleaner. Plus, they cost money. Not only for the bags, but for the belts and Hepa filters TOO. I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would want to buy bags, unless they were so rich that money meant nothing to them.

 
Dual,
 
You have already told us that you plan to make a fortune repairing Dysons in your retirement, and that you have stocked up on replacement parts.  So your comments seem a little bit disingenuous.  Do you plan to provide free belt and clutch changes for everyone who needs one?   Most bags aren't all that expensive.  I have no problem paying a $1-$2 dollars a month for the convenience of bags.   I also buy garbage bags for my trash cans.  
 
Even with a bagless, you still have to dispose of the dirt.    I really don't mind buying bags for my vacuums.  I don't see much loss of suction in my home.    I would rather buy bags and have a nice sanitary dirt disposal than to have to deal  with the dirt released with any bagless vacuum - including Dyson.   When you empty your Dyson, all of the tiny little dust mites, the dead skin cells, the dust mite poop, pet dander, and other crap is released.  These light particles do escape in a nice little dust cloud when you empty your Dyson.
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Reply #6 - 04/10/06 at 5:42pm
 
Dual,
 Like Rat I have seen you write about doing Dyson repair.You remarked about the belts , bags and HEPA filters.
 If you are implying that with Dyson , one will never need to worry about filters, or belts ,you aresaying the no-no word NEVEr. I have had two Dysons in the past week with a bad clutch and stopped up filters.  
  Bonelady wants to get away from that.
  The Dysons warrantys went out a month ago. cost paid for clutch and unstopping filter $108.00.
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Reply #7 - 04/10/06 at 6:19pm
 
Quote from tiger21   on 04/10/06 at 5:42pm:
I have had two Dysons in the past week with a bad clutch and stopped up filters.
 Bonelady wants to get away from that.
 The Dysons warrantys went out a month ago. cost paid for clutch and unstopping filter $108.00.

Another prime example of misuse and abuse by the owner. How did you "unstop" the filter? Did you replace it or clean it? Which filter was the problem?
 
We know the prefilter only requires periodic cleaning about once every six months. If the filter requires cleaning more often the user is either over filling the dirt receptacle [most likely] or ingesting ultra fine particulates such as dry wall dust, talc, etc.  
 
If the vacuum is used correctly, you won't see these problems, including premature clutch/belt failures. Any brand vacuum on this planet operated in the wrong hands is going to prematurely fail.
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Reply #8 - 04/10/06 at 6:32pm
 
Quote from tiger21   on 04/10/06 at 5:42pm:
Dual,
Like Rat I have seen you write about doing Dyson repair.You remarked about the belts , bags and HEPA filters.
If you are implying that with Dyson , one will never need to worry about filters, or belts ,you aresaying the no-no word NEVEr. I have had two Dysons in the past week with a bad clutch and stopped up filters.
 Bonelady wants to get away from that.
 The Dysons warrantys went out a month ago. cost paid for clutch and unstopping filter $108.00.

 
What other brands did you repair, How many, and what were the costs to repair them?
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Reply #9 - 04/10/06 at 9:37pm
 
I would also say that going to a indipendant vac shop is the best way to see what good quality vacuums are available.  Like you, I also prefer bag vacuums to bagless, they are much cleaner to empty and have less maintenence.  
 
Some brands that I have been impressed with are Royal, Simplicity, Riccar, Miele, Lindhaus, and Sebo.  These brands tend to be very reliable, and clean well.
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