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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #490 - 02/21/06 at 9:29pm

Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 02/21/06 at 9:22pm:

Here's the HOOVER claim and proof:

"FACT: Patented Windtunnel Technology Picks-Up More Dirt Than Any Other Upright... Period! As per American Society for Testing & Materials-Test F608,the only recognized industry standard."

This appears on the product with a label and the product box.

Carmine D.

FACT: We all should know by now that the ASTM doesn't perform the tests. They provide the methodology for the tests.

So the big question still remains "who" provides and conducts the tests that states Hoover cleans 50%+ better than a Dyson? If it's inhouse proprietary information slanted in their favor, it's useless to reference it. I still haven't read an acceptable answer. Who does the testing?

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #491 - 02/21/06 at 9:31pm

Quote from justasking2 on 02/21/06 at 7:23pm:

Wow, holy fact-changer Batman. Is the same guy who argued for pages on this forum that the Hoover's Fusion claim did not say "up to 10 oz" now cowering behind the fact that it does?

You have to admit up to 10 oz is a prettly weak claim in real world conditions. Especially when as claimed here because of demand they are being raced into the store spewing an unacceptable amount of those 10 oz back into the air.

What evidence is there that customers are racing Fusions back to the stores? If I remember correctly, CR reported that 2 of the Fusions sampled had leakage problems. We don't really know if its a widespread problem or just a bad batch.

I would expect Hoover to fix the problem quickly to limit losses.

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Carmine_Difazio Ultimate Member I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 5559	Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15) Reply #492 - 02/21/06 at 9:33pm Bruce: THis is a rerun of previous discussions. ASTM is the industry standard and sanctions labs to perform tests in accordance with its vacuum tests that are recognized as the only vacuum industry standard. Your favorite brand does not use the ASTM tests and standards. HOOVER does and quotes them on its products. Carmine D.
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #493 - 02/21/06 at 9:34pm

Quote from justasking2 on 02/21/06 at 7:27pm:

So which lab or company provided the test results for the Hoover's "no loss of suction" claim? How about their "picks up more dirt" claim?

Yes I understand you supplied a non-answer. Who provided and certified the test results? Your answer seems to try to infer that the ASTM tested the machine and certified the results and we know that is not an honest answer.

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #494 - 02/21/06 at 9:37pm

Quote from RAT on 02/21/06 at 9:31pm:

What evidence is there that customers are racing Fusions back to the stores? If I remember correctly, CR reported that 2 of the Fusions sampled had leakage problems. We don't really know if its a widespread problem or just a bad batch.

I would expect Hoover to fix the problem quickly to limit losses.

RAT:

By all personal and professional indications, the HOOVER FUSION is one of the best selling if not the best selling vacuum on the Wal-Mart shelves. It has been since its launch. It is a perfect match for Wal-Mart vacuum buyers. In many stores, they can't keep them in stock because they sell quickly.

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #495 - 02/21/06 at 9:38pm

Quote from RAT on 02/21/06 at 9:31pm:

What evidence is there that customers are racing Fusions back to the stores? If I remember correctly, CR reported that 2 of the Fusions sampled had leakage problems. We don't really know if its a widespread problem or just a bad batch.

I would expect Hoover to fix the problem quickly to limit losses.

Rat,
Sorry for any confusion I was speaking to the claim posted that the poor seals and failed emmisions tests were a result of the racing fast production due to the high demand. As for CR's explanation 2 vacuums with leakage problems is about as much of a real world sample as their 10 strokes with a brand new machine test in the first place.

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #496 - 02/21/06 at 9:40pm

Quote from justasking2 on 02/21/06 at 9:34pm:

Yes I understand you supplied a non-answer. Who provided and certified the test results? Your answer seems to try to infer that the ASTM tested the machine and certified the results and we know that is not an honest answer.

The HOOVER proof of the claim does not say that ASTM performed the tests. It clearly says the tests are performed in accordance with the ASTM test which is the only industry recognized standard.

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #497 - 02/21/06 at 9:48pm

Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 02/21/06 at 9:33pm:

Bruce:

THis is a rerun of previous discussions. ASTM is the industry standard and sanctions labs to perform tests in accordance with its vacuum tests that are recognized as the only vacuum industry standard.

Your favorite brand does not use the ASTM tests and standards. HOOVER does and quotes them on its products.

Carmine D.

As long as you try to infer the ASTM is somehow endorsing Hoover some will feel it important that other visitors here are not mislead. The fact is only one of the vacuums in the ASTM debate here provides a test number with results and quotes the results backed by a sourced ASTM sanctioned lab. As for it being the industry standard you have only provided Hoovers word that it is. The top spot in Marketshare seem to have not been grabbed by following but by leading.

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Bruce Ultimate Member Posts: 711	Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15) Reply #498 - 02/21/06 at 9:55pm Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 02/21/06 at 9:40pm: The HOOVER proof of the claim does not say that ASTM performed the tests. It clearly says the tests are performed in accordance with the ASTM test which is the only industry recognized standard. Carmine D. We know this Carmine. WHO does the test?
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #499 - 02/21/06 at 10:19pm

Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 02/21/06 at 9:37pm:

RAT:

By all personal and professional indications, the HOOVER FUSION is one of the best selling if not the best selling vacuum on the Wal-Mart shelves. It has been since its launch. It is a perfect match for Wal-Mart vacuum buyers. In many stores, they can't keep them in stock because they sell quickly.

Carmine D.

What does this have to do with performance or quality?
Wal-Mart is associated with price, not quality.

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