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Carmine_Difazio

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #480 - 02/21/06 at 3:15pm

Quote from JimB on 02/21/06 at 1:23pm:

Interesting, as this quote was a direct Hoover claim about the Fusion, you are saying you agree Dyson can be successful in action against Hoover for claiming it as fact?

HOOVER offers the test name/number, test provider, and other makes and models tested with the FUSION on the claim.

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #481 - 02/21/06 at 3:31pm

Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 02/21/06 at 3:15pm:

HOOVER offers the test name/number, test provider, and other makes and models tested with the FUSION on the claim.

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That would be incorrect Dyson offers a test Number and which lab provided the test results, Hoover does not divulge which lab provided the test results. Furthermore I believe you are confused if you are stating other models tested would have anything do to with a claim of a specific machine having "no loss of suction"

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #482 - 02/21/06 at 4:38pm

Quote from JimB on 02/21/06 at 3:31pm:

That would be incorrect Dyson offers a test Number and which lab provided the test results, Hoover does not divulge which lab provided the test results. Furthermore I believe you are confused if you are stating other models tested would have anything do to with a claim of a specific machine having "no loss of suction"

HOOVER says on the product claim: ASTM test results say: (what the results of tests are). Then HOOVER says ASTM is the industry recognized standard testing entity.

HOOVER always provides the ASTM test number, test results, and ASTM certification. In matched tests with other vacuums, it provides the vacuum brands: i.e dyson.

From the HOOVER FUSION product claim:

"Suction stays constant for up to 10 ounces of dirt, as tested by an independent laboratory using ASTM F558 test method and a dirt composition of 70% mineral dust, 20% cellulose dust and 10% fibrous material."

And HOOVER follows the test results with the ASTM industry certification: The only testing entity recognized by the vacuum industry.

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #483 - 02/21/06 at 5:36pm

Quote from JimB on 02/21/06 at 3:31pm:

Furthermore I believe you are confused if you are stating other models tested would have anything do to with a claim of a specific machine having "no loss of suction"

Check your favorite brand's graphic depiction for no loss of suction. It graphically matches 4 unnamed vacuum brands to dyson. No dust amounts are depicted, no air watts are mentioned.

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #484 - 02/21/06 at 7:23pm

Wow, holy fact-changer Batman. Is the same guy who argued for pages on this forum that the Hoover's Fusion claim did not say "up to 10 oz" now cowering behind the fact that it does?

You have to admit up to 10 oz is a prettly weak claim in real world conditions. Especially when as claimed here because of demand they are being raced into the store spewing an unacceptable amount of those 10 oz back into the air.

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #485 - 02/21/06 at 7:27pm

Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 02/21/06 at 1:18pm:

If a company makes a verbal or written claim about its product in relation to other like products without disclosing the proof and specifics (especially when asked to do so), the claim is potentially misrepresentation and therefore false.

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So which lab or company provided the test results for the Hoover's "no loss of suction" claim? How about their "picks up more dirt" claim?

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #486 - 02/21/06 at 8:11pm

Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 02/21/06 at 5:36pm:

Check your favorite brand's graphic depiction for no loss of suction. It graphically matches 4 unnamed vacuum brands to dyson. No dust amounts are depicted, no air watts are mentioned.

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http://www.dyson.com/nav/inpageframe.asp?id=TECH/DYSONCYCLONE/PERF/PERF&sinavtype=menu

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #487 - 02/21/06 at 9:03pm

Karl:

The dyson product literature for the dyson uprights DC07 and DC14 at BEST BUY does not have the graph grid marked for air watts and dirt.

The unnamed vacuums are the same in the both product literature for the BEST BUY and the dyson web page. Even if specifically asked, dyson does not provide the vacuum brand names.

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #488 - 02/21/06 at 9:11pm

Quote from justasking2 on 02/21/06 at 7:23pm:

Wow, holy fact-changer Batman. Is the same guy who argued for pages on this forum that the Hoover's Fusion claim did not say "up to 10 oz" now cowering behind the fact that it does?

You have to admit up to 10 oz is a prettly weak claim in real world conditions. Especially when as claimed here because of demand they are being raced into the store spewing an unacceptable amount of those 10 oz back into the air.

HOOVER provides the disclosure for the tests as proof of the claim on the HOOVER FUSION in two places: On the product with a label and on the box.

HOOVER does the same with its other vacuum products when it makes a claim of better rug cleaning performance including specifying the brand names in matched tests. HOOVER provides a label on the product and the test information as proof of the claim on the box.

Contrast this with your favorite brand which does not disclose the proof of its claim even when specifically asked.

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #489 - 02/21/06 at 9:22pm

Quote from justasking2 on 02/21/06 at 7:27pm:

So which lab or company provided the test results for the Hoover's "no loss of suction" claim? How about their "picks up more dirt" claim?

I've addressed the first already. You can go back and read it.

Here's the second request for the HOOVER claim and proof:

"FACT: Patented Windtunnel Technology Picks-Up More Dirt Than Any Other Upright... Period! As per American Society for Testing & Materials-Test F608,the only recognized industry standard."

This appears on the product with a label and the product box.

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