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BEST BUY And Sunday Parade (Read 3329 times)
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07/24/06 at 6:36am
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[Hoover has no choice if they want to compete with Dyson. If comsumers are paying a premium they want a premium vacuum like Dyson.
ORECK is a much better choice.
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Retail sales are down in June. The June and July Michigan University Consumer Confidence Indices are down. High gas prices are taking a toll on consumers' discretionary income.
Gas prices aren't rising, really, when you look at it from a worldwide perspective. What is happening is that the value of the dollar is falling again, with the result that with oil prices remaining firm worldwide, it takes more US Dollars to pay for the same amount of oil. Note that this will also mean that it will take more US dollars to pay for other imported items, such as vacuums made in China, Malaysia, Korea, Japan, and Europe. Since the Chinese currency doesn't float freely, it will have the least effect on Chinese products, and the most effect on products such as Sebo, Miele, etc. where the smaller parent company can't absorb currency fluctuations for long periods.
As the coming depression edges ever closer, we should be in the last stages of the economic cycle. Baby boomers should still have sufficient discretionary income to buy higher priced vacuums like Miele, Dyson, Oreck, or central systems, if they believe it is the best out there. Three years from now the market will be very different.
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CPro:
I'm not going to engage you and your economic theories because there is no right or wrong.
Since this thread is about BEST BUY and you posted, I'll use the opportunity to reiterate what I said to you a year ago on this Forum. I noticed that the price per share of BEST BUY and Wal*Mart stocks are almost right at parity today. BB is poised to test its 52 week low.
Why do you think? Could it be perhaps the effects of over a year of increasingly higher gas prices? Are consumers feeling squeezed on discretionary income? Do you think oil and gas prices peaked? Or is there more upward price pressure? I personally think $80 a barrel by year end is possible and $100 a barrel is not unthinkable.
If you think these upward oil and gas prices do not affect consumer buying, especially of high priced appliances, I will disagree. I agree with the economists who follow and report on these developments. It's finally affecting consumer spending.
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It remains true that over the last couple years, Best Buy has outperformed WMT, and most other retailers:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=BBY&t=2y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=wmt,shld,bbby
If you look at a longer period of time, like 15 years, the difference is even more dramatic:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=BBY&t=my&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=wmt,shld,bbby
While Best Buy seems to be well run, rather than attributing this to their management, I would attribute it as much as anything to the demographic cycle and market sector. Aging baby boomers, hooked on electronics, with rising incomes, have been a recipe for dramatic growth in a hot segment, while Walmart was in a more conservative general retailing sector, including groceries. WMT performed well within their sector, but their sector is not as volatile as electronics:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=my&s=TGT&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=wmt+wndxq.pk
Volatility can be your friend on the upside, but it can also work against you when the market turns they other direction. If I were forced to put money into retail stocks, I would pick a grocery company over electronics at this point in the economic cycle. Another choice might be auto parts, but unfortunately all the major autoparts companies are heavily leveraged, and not well prepared for an economic downturn.
Are gas prices having an impact on the economy? Yes, but the effect is not evenly distributed across the economy. It is especially true at the lower end of the economy that a difference in gas prices will affect discretionary spending. We see that in our tanning business, for example, where business falls off whenever gas prices spike. On the other hand, as people adapt to the higher prices, the spending seems to come back fairly quickly. Our sales in May-June were under budget, for example, following the drop of the dollar in April, but July has been strong. We are up about 6% year to date, not too bad considering the average tanning business is off about 20% this year, from what I hear. In drycleaning, by contrast, spending comes from a higher income group, and those people do not seem to have been impacted by the higher gas prices yet. In drycleaning we are off about 4% year to date, but we closed two stores, so same-store sales are actually up significantly. In fact, you can attribute most of our revenue decline to the fact that we have lost a significant amout of revenue as the Army Reserve has switched to a new fatigue that doesn't require pressing. We do not see any indication of volume changes related to gas prices at this point.
Applying my experience, I would expect to see that high end vacuums are less affected by gas prices than lower end models. As for Central, given that Central vacuums are largely sold into the new construction market, and given that new home construction is starting to wind down into a halt that will last about 20 years, I wouldn't be too optimistic about central vacuum sales in the next several years. Typically home buyers buy a new home every 7 years starting about age 25-30 and ending about age 40-48, and given that most baby boomers are at the end of that cycle, there won't be another major need for new upper end homes again until the follow on baby boom, now 15, reaches about 35-40.
As for whether gas prices reach $80-100 a barrel this year, I think it largely depends on how fast the dollar loses value. I think that the major countries will support the dollar about about 80, a major psychological level, and a fourty year low. They supported it at that level the last time the currency was this low, and assuming that they are sucessful, you won't see oil prices at the levels you discussed. If you ignore the effect of the falling dollar, oil prices really aren't changing very much. Note that natural gas prices, most of which are produced in the US and not affected by the dollar value, are actually lower than they were at this time last year.
For me forecasting oil prices into years ahead is difficult. Worldwide oil production is peaking, and will not be expanding. If you project continued worldwide economic prosperity into the years ahead, then given fixed production, it is easy to project dramatically rising prices. If, like me, you project a major worldwide depression, then the projection is not so easy, because demand may actually fall enough to more than compensate for the lack of production increases. I have no opinion on whether oil prices will rise or fall in years ahead, after adjusting for inflation.
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Reply #334 -
07/24/06 at 7:29pm
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Hi MOOseUK, I thought that you said you owned a dc11 canister, If I'm wrong please correct me.
Do you have any info on the release of the canister in the states. And will it use the same dual cyclone set up as the uprights. And will it use use an electric power brush ?. If you cant answer i fully understand why.
Thanks.
O.T.
You're going to find this amusing but I actually have a simple Panasonic (Matsushita) canister
Since I'm not a vac collector, a vac store owner or someone asking vac questions, let me give people here my background. Showing my relatively young age (28). I have vague memories of a cloth bagged Hoover upright when I young. This was replaced in the mid-80s by a Electrolux upright, which must have been one of the first model with the built-in (James Dyson inspired) cleaning house, although without a cross-over valve. From early 90s onwards, our family had a Hoover upright, with a small built-in hose that could be stored on the cleaner - a really rubbish hose that had next to no length. So like most kids I always remember vacs for messing around with, like using the hose attachment for pulling all the mucus out of your nose when you had a cold *em*
In the late 90s, I was at a friend's house. They had this vacuum there I'd never previously heard of, a Dyson. "Oh *everyone* is getting these" they'd say. I thought no more of it. I'd likely seen the tv adverts at the time, but didn't know nor care what it was all about. After leaving college, I continued working in retail in my home town, moving from part to full time. That's why a few of my posts here have retail-based terms, I loved those days of 'playing shop'. After a year, the job showed itself to have limited prospects, so I handed in my notice and used to opportunity to travel around Canada for a few weeks. At the bookstore before my trip, whilst looking for travel reading, I noticed 'Against the odds' by James Dyson. It's summary sounded interesting, so I took it along with me. It turned out to be hugely inspiring, a great read. On returning, on the way back to the airport, I called in to an electrical store, to purchase a DC04.
A month later, I'd secured a new job in London, in my field of graphic design. For my first apartment, I had the pass-me-down from pre-mentioned Hoover upright, but brand loyalty for this bagless cleaning lark was already setting in, so I often got my family to bring the Dyson down when they could, to give the carpets a 'proper' clean!
My second flat share in london came complete with a Dyson DC01 upright, so it was cool to see the design changes between that and the DC04. 2 years later, this time in a house share, with a DC07 and again could appreciate the improvements. Then with the DC15 launch last year, I convinced my folks to invest in that upright.
So as you'll see, during all this time, I've only been around uprights, sans one occasion last year when helping a friend move and tiding up with a Dyson DC08 canister. My dad, being an electrical engineer, frequently diagnoses / repairs upright and canister vacuums for clients of my mum, who's an in-home care worker. Typically older people who buy a cheap bagless cleaner but soon wonder why the motor won't start or where all the suction has suddenly gone...
As with this Panasonic canister included with my latest rented apartment, I haven't used it once in the 5 months I've been here. It's all wood laminate flooring and much similar to use a soft brush and a swifter-style cloth than getting a dirty lumbering cleaner out. I've seen the Dyson DC11 in the stores, but it looks too big and clunky for my requirements, I don't need a powerhouse cleaner in my present place, just a small canister - a DC12 or a variation on it would be perfect.
I have no special insights in to Dyson's future technologies, other than occasionally scanning the patent databases and reading write-ups in the news. I guess I'm fascinated by how Dyson can turn (to many) a typically mundane appliance in to an object of desire with cool features! I'm also now three years in to being self-employed, 'the Dyson story' along with other entrepreneur success stories gives me hope and ambition for my own projects. However hard some days seem, it can't be tough as re-designing a domestic appliance from scratch!
It's hard to predict exactly the spec of Dyson's impending US canister, only that there's been a fair time since the DC11 was discontinued. They appear to have more than enough design knowledge in producing powered cleaning heads - it's likely they could have had an updated model rolling off the production lines within 3months. So why the delay? Something special coming along? They like their R&D spend, 'helps in creating a more interesting advertising brief...
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Hi Moose , Thanks for your reply, I hope your knowledge on design carries you far. Stick with it.
You know whats funny is that i just got done servicing a panasonic canister mc772, the machine runs and sounds like the day it was made, Panasoic always gave a good machine for the money.
regards.
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07/25/06 at 11:47pm
Cpro,
I don't know where you are coming up with a depression coming on. You have never been in one that I know about. Recessions are always talked about by the economists. If people listen and believe what they say, people take a recess in buying.That is bad for the economy and bad for the workers.
My business of vacuum cleaners in times when people are scared about money. The consumer buys the cleaners that will last and are higher priced. WHY? Because they don't or won't have disposable cash to buy a cheap vac that may last only a year or two when ever they want. The buyers are not the rich or lower class but middle class.
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I have answered your questions via PM.
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Cpro,
My business of vacuum cleaners in times when people are scared about money. The consumer buys the cleaners that will last and are higher priced. WHY? Because they don't or won't have disposable cash to buy a cheap vac that may last only a year or two when ever they want. The buyers are not the rich or lower class but middle class.
An excellent argument for consumers to buy a better crafted vacuum from a reputable vacuum cleaner business. You get your money's worth. The vacuum will last a lifetime with the the proper service and care, which is only available from a vacuum professional in the business.
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Quote from tiger21
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Cpro,
My business of vacuum cleaners in times when people are scared about money. The consumer buys the cleaners that will last and are higher priced. WHY? Because they don't or won't have disposable cash to buy a cheap vac that may last only a year or two when ever they want. The buyers are not the rich or lower class but middle class.
An excellent argument for consumers to buy a better crafted vacuum from a reputable vacuum cleaner business. You get your money's worth. The vacuum will last a lifetime with the the proper service and care, which is only available from a vacuum professional in the business.
Carmine D.
What would you estimate the annual cost to keep a vac running a lifetime?
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