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Reply #210 - 05/08/06 at 6:29pm
 
I agree with Venson regarding sales taxes. A number of years ago I purchased my Miele Silver Moon on-line, received free shipping and saved the 8.6% local and retail sales taxes. That's a savings of over $103 I would have had to pay if I purchased it at a local dealer. I don't feel one bit guilty because I don't particularly like my local Miele dealer. And all the other local dealers tend to bad mouth each others products. When I asked them about Miele they look down their nose and have nothing good to say about it (because they obviously can't carry the line).  
 
The majority of independent dealers in my area are like hillbillies and only carry a couple of different brands. Their show rooms are dirty, smelly and dimly lit. When they are asked if these are the only brands they carry they reply with "but we can order what you want". Problem is, I and probably any other savvy buyer doesn't want to plunk down money on a product that can't be seen, touched or used before making the purchase. Why bother with them when I can easily order on-line with a few clicks of the mouse and have it delivered to my front door. Return policy?? No such thing with the locals. I'm not saying all the locals are like this but a very high percentage of them in my area are hillbillies. No thank you.  
 
There's really nothing my State can do about the tax situation either unless the dealer happens to have a retail outlet within the State.
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Reply #211 - 05/08/06 at 8:16pm
 
Venson,
 I take it that you are a tax dodger. WHen I buy I pay my taxes. It is what makes the State and Federal governments run.
  When I sell in states other than my own I collect for that state and see that the state gets it's due.
  The state of Tenessessee has a sales tax but no income tax.The state runs on the sales tax.
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Reply #212 - 05/08/06 at 10:01pm
 
Quote from tiger21   on 05/08/06 at 8:16pm:
Venson,
I take it that you are a tax dodger. WHen I buy I pay my taxes. It is what makes the State and Federal governments run.
 When I sell in states other than my own I collect for that state and see that the state gets it's due.
 The state of Tenessessee has a sales tax but no income tax.The state runs on the sales tax.

 
The politicians want the income tax.  The people voted it down.  If the governments did not abuse the spending of tax $ I think most people would be willing to pay taxes.
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Reply #213 - 05/08/06 at 11:04pm
 
Hey  tiger21,
 
Please share whatever your on with the rest of us -- we could use a lift too.
 
First of all, we're talking sales tax which has nothing to do with personal income taxes by way of state or federal government.  Where is your mind?
 
It is perfectly legal to order and purchase goods online from establishments outside of New York State.  As long as the company I am buying from does not have actual branches/stores here in New York I am not obliged by law to pay sales tax.
 
For instance, if I order online from nationwide chains like Best-Buy and Sears I must pay sales tax as they have stores in my state.  On the other hand, if I buy from Griggs Vacuum or Ristenbatt who have no stores here, I pay no tax.
 
How is that tax dodging?  I call it practical shopping.
 
There was someone I worked for a long time ago who informed me that the first rule of business was never to pay more than you just have to. She followed this rule to the letter when it got down to my paycheck.  Despite my preturbation at her tight-fistedness I took it to heart as a consumer.  I never pay more than I have to and no other consumer should either.
 
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Reply #214 - 05/09/06 at 10:59am
 
I had a sign hanging in my store for many years.  It read:
 
"We collect local, state, and federal taxes .....
and do a little business on the side."
 
If you don't pay the sales taxes, you can't deduct them on your income tax filings.  If you do pay the sales taxes, you can deduct them on your income taxes.
 
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Reply #215 - 05/09/06 at 11:01am
 
Most states have a "use" tax which covers goods purchased out of state.  You are expected to voluntarily file and remit the taxes to your state and/or local tax authority.  
 
For example, in New York, here's an article about the tax.
http://www.nysscpa.org/cpajournal/2004/704/essentials/p38.htm
 
Naturally taxpayer compliance is very lax with use tax:
"Compliance percentages (taxpayers who reported and paid a use tax) for 2001 were 1.6% in Michigan and 0.58% in Utah."
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Reply #216 - 05/09/06 at 11:52am
 
Hi guys,
 
One of my duties at work is to file and pay collected sales tax  per New York and New Jersey, as the firm has vendors who we contract to do work for us in both places.  For work executed in either place, respectively, tax is applied to individual invoices as required.  We are not obligated to charge or pay tax to the state of California, as an instance, when we execute work to be shipped and used there.  We have no mandate from the State so far that says we must.  Our supplied sales tax forms only require us to list counties within the New York State that we may have delivered work to.  The additional form we receive re New Jersey only asks if we executed taxable work (that would be for any client without a resale ID or non-profit status).  BAsically, sales tax collection is the vendors' responsibility here.
 
RAT -- per the link you posted  if you read down a ways . . .
 
"There are many types of purchases where a New York taxpayer may acquire goods or services and not pay the requisite sales tax: . . . "
 
"Purchases made via catalogs or the Internet where the vendor does not charge New York sales tax or does not charge the full rate applicable to the tax payer's place of residence."
 
I have had no online vendor other than those physically located in New York State require sales of me for any personal purchases.  As I said, no mandate that I know of insists that out-of-state online purchasers bear obligation to pay tax to the state of origin.
 
Matter of fact, the powers that be here offer a period a couple of times a year when clothing purchases for items under $110.00 each are not subject to sales tax.  This is an experiment I assume as our neighbor, New Jersey, does not tax clothing sales at all.  In New York, you pay no tax for edible items and prescription pharmaceuticals but are taxed for just about everything else.
 
Overall, if sales tax does actually become required as collectable by vendors nationwide, regardless of prior rules, it will put a damper on online buying due to all the paperwork required.  Our economy considered, I have a strong feeling that this issue will court a lot of barking dogs from all around but will not be strongly pursued since, after all, consumers are voters too.
 
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Reply #217 - 05/09/06 at 12:17pm
 
You are correct in saying that you don't have to pay sales tax for products purchased over the internet or from catalog stores with no presence in the state.  However, in most of those cases, you are theoretically supposed to voluntarily remit the alternatitive "use" tax to your government authority.  
 
As I noted, compliance with this is fairly poor.  
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Reply #218 - 05/09/06 at 12:27pm
 
Hi RAT,
 
I've never heard of any private consumer paying use tax.  Until state government stands forth with a loud voice and says to the everyday consumer, "This is sin," I think I and the rest of the general public probably will not think on anything other than that which is already a definite must.
 
However, again thanks much for the link.  I plan to get back to it for a more thorough read.
 
Regards,
 
Venson
 
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Reply #219 - 05/09/06 at 9:57pm
 
I always pay use tax on out-of-state purchases for all my businesses.  The state is very serious about collecting use tax, and routinely audits businesses if they do not report use tax. As for consumers, I don't know of any consumers who ever pay it. Obviously they pay it on things like boats or cars that have to be registered.  
 
It was also correctly stated above that if you have sufficient contacts with a given state, you have to collect tax for that state. Thus if you, or any employee, ever enters a state for business purposes (salesman, repairman), you must collect tax for that state. Thus, when IBM sold personal computers, they had to collect tax for all states since they had employees in all states, which put them at a disadvantage compared to other computer vendors that didn't have to collect tax. Lenovo, who bought the IBM division, probably doesn't have to collect the tax, and thus gained an advantage over the old IBM.
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