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Reply #160 - 03/04/06 at 8:20pm
 
Quote from old-timer   on 03/04/06 at 7:23pm:
Hi Carmine, all in all the panasonic motor is very good.So are you trying to say that if dyson used their brushrollor and belt set up. It would clean as good as a panasonic that costs 69.95.

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Hello Old-Timer:
 
The one fan Panasonic motor has been a staple of the vacuum industry since the early 70's when it was used in the bottom of the line Panasonic upright models. Of course the better and higher priced Panasonic uprights used 2 fans, the industry standard in the 70's.
 
Panasonic currently uses an almost identical one fan motor (as years ago) in its bottom of the line uprights that retail for as little as $59.95 at BEST BUY.  THis is the same motor that is sourced to dyson for the DC07 and DC14 models, although I suspect that the quality of dyson motors are not as good as the ones used by Panasonic models.  When you are dependent on a competitor for the motors, you get what they give you.
 
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Reply #161 - 03/04/06 at 10:39pm
 
At work, we have replaced many of these Panasonic motors in Dysons.  We also see a lot of Dysons with stretched and worn belts, which means new clutch assemblies too.  You know a vacuum was brilliantly engineered when you have to replace the entire clutch just because the supposedly permanent flat stretch belts have reached the end of their life.
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Reply #162 - 03/04/06 at 11:57pm
 
So Vacuuman how long have you been an authorized Dyson dealer?  I am also curious what prompted that decision.
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Reply #163 - 03/05/06 at 2:35am
 
Its the vacuum store I work for.  They have been a Dyson dealer for a few years now.  They decided to be the service center because it gets people in looking, and because we get paid $30 for each warranty service.  In Jan. we sericed about 30 Dysons.  Its a easy way to get money, and we can be sure that we will be getting enough Dysons in for repair.
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Reply #164 - 03/05/06 at 2:40am
 
Quote from vacuuman   on 03/05/06 at 2:35am:
Its the vacuum store I work for.  They have been a Dyson dealer for a few years now.  They decided to be the service center because it gets people in looking, and because we get paid $30 for each warranty service.  In Jan. we sericed about 30 Dysons.  Its a easy way to get money, and we can be sure that we will be getting enough Dysons in for repair.

 
Goes to show you how many Dysons are out there when compared to other brands on the market. More than you'd ever believe Carmine.
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Reply #165 - 03/05/06 at 3:36am
 
Quote from Bruce   on 03/05/06 at 2:40am:


Goes to show you how many Dysons are out there when compared to other brands on the market. More than you'd ever believe Carmine.

 
 
Bruce:
 
Thanks very much for directing your post to me.  It gives me an excellent opportunity to re-post and summarize several points I've been saying about dysons all along.  
 
The huge number of new dysons under warranty for repair at "vacuuman's" store indicate that there are very few vacuum stores that actually do warranty repairs on dysons.  Hence dyson pays $30 per unit. Most dysons under warranty have to go back to dyson and require customers to be without a vacuum for 2 or more weeks.  We've seen this experience reported before on the Forum.  Dyson is backlogged for warranty repairs so the repair time is even longer.  To keep customers satisfied, the retailer/dyson provides another dyson vacuum, usually new, to the owner under warranty.  That's not a huge problem in the beginning for dyson because the mark up is so high.  The warranty dysons become repacks and refurbs sold on the internet and/or retailers' stores.  THis is the same for the UK dyson experience.
 
The practice of using dysons now by vacuum stores to get walk in traffic is common nationwide  For example, a drawing of a DC14 is advertized for $399.99 in the newspaper.  When customers call or walk in asking about the DC14, the store owners' pitch/sell their preferred and/or recommended vacuum brands.  
 
We know from the UK dyson experience (Which?) that dyson vacuums are more prone to repairs than all other premium priced vacuum brands.  And the repairs tend to be costly.  Because the dysons are a $400-$600, buyers will spend the high dollars on repairs after the 2 year warranty.  Vacuum cleaner store owners will do the repairs and charge high amounts.  It's the reason they are in business.  Eventually the dyson owners will get disenchanted and scrap their dyson vacuums due to excessive cost and repairs.  Who will get the business? The vacuum cleaner store owners who did the repairs usually through trade ins.
 
Dyson did more by accident to reinvigorate the vacuum cleaner industry in the USA than all the vacuum makers did on purpose in the last 50 years.  (Remember Fantom).  THis will be dyson's legacy in the USA.
 
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Reply #166 - 03/05/06 at 8:45pm
 
If you get some time can you copy this exact post to a few more threads?  I once heard if you tell a story enough times people will actually start believing it is true.
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Reply #167 - 03/05/06 at 10:04pm
 
There's a great deal of truth to what Carmine has said.   For example, high quality super quiet German made Bosch canister vacuums are showing up at Box stores like Linens N Things and Costco.  They are also available online at Target.com and Amazon.com among others.  Apparently some Bed Bath and Beyond stores are carrying low end Miele canisters.  Sebo has expanded its internet sales to include almost all models.  Many are buying more expensive vacuums.  Oreck has been doing extremely well with his expensive vacuums.  
 
Many Americans like the idea of getting a really high quality quiet vacuum, and are willing to pay more for it.  Once someone tries a Miele or Bosh premium canister, it's hard for them to go back to a Hoover - even if the Hoover cleans carpeting as well or better for far less money.  
 
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Reply #168 - 03/05/06 at 10:57pm
 
Quote from RAT   on 03/05/06 at 10:04pm:
There's a great deal of truth to what Carmine has said.  

I believe you are taking what Jim posted out of context. The subject at hand is anti Dyson propaganda and bashing that Carmine continues spewing at every opportunity he finds. It doesn't take long to determine that the majority of what he's spreading is inaccurate and wishful thinking on his part. The continuous lies he's been spreading are now being made known for all to read.  
 
Quote from RAT   on 03/05/06 at 10:04pm:
For example, high quality super quiet German made Bosch canister vacuums are showing up at Box stores like Linens N Things and Costco. They are also available online at Target.com and Amazon.com among others. Apparently some Bed Bath and Beyond stores are carrying low end Miele canisters. Sebo has expanded its internet sales to include almost all models. Many are buying more expensive vacuums. Oreck has been doing extremely well with his expensive vacuums.

This information can easily be verified with a few simple phone calls or a few clicks of the mouse. It doesn't take Carmine to spread the word for Heavens sake.  
 
By the way, I don't see any high end Bosch vacuums being sold at LNT, Target.com or Best Buy. But interestingly enough there are all the models of the Dysons available at these same big box stores including the suposedly "disappearing" DC-15. LOL
 
Quote from RAT   on 03/05/06 at 10:04pm:
Many Americans like the idea of getting a really high quality quiet vacuum, and are willing to pay more for it. Once someone tries a Miele or Bosh premium canister, it's hard for them to go back to a Hoover - even if the Hoover cleans carpeting as well or better for far less money.

I completely agree with you on this one except that a Hoover will never outperform a premium Miele. Never!
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Reply #169 - 03/05/06 at 11:39pm
 
Quote from Bruce   on 03/05/06 at 10:57pm:

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I completely agree with you on this one except that a Hoover will never outperform a premium Miele. Never!

 
Unfortunately, CR has never tested any Miele's with the premium powerhead, so I've never seen any data to support your claim.  However, I wouldn't be surprised if you were  correct.  The Miele canisters with deluxe brush roll appear to be top notch performers.  The canisters with the wimpy little brush rolls are a different story.  
 
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