Pick one,We have access to ,miele,bosch,riccar,simplcity,aerus,sanitaire,eureka,hoover,emer,kirby,electrolu
x  a.b. nutone,hayden,h.p vacu flo,galaxie,cana vac,allegro,beam.
 
The profit margins range from 20% to 1000%.The real trick is selling a customer something thats going to give them 15 plus years of service,with a little tune up every 8 to 10 years.
If a customer asks us why vacuums are so expensive,we tell them that theres a lot of money in it.Of course the products got to be worthy of the price.
 
Unfortunatly dysons not there yet,maybe someday, but not thru the box stores.I'm sure i speak for the vacuum people that are in this for the long run.
 
  O.T.

Quote from old-timer on 05/15/07 at 6:54pm:

 
Old Timer,
 
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Thanks for your honest explanation.  But this is exactly what Dyson exploits and exploits well – 100% constant suction vs. decreased suction.  Dyson gives a number that’s simple and understandable – 100% (suction)  VS. nothing.  Bag and/or filter vacuum manufactures say nothing as to exactly what the suction decrease is and at what point a decrease occurs (it’s fair to give consumers a reference – at ¼ full = % suction loss, ½ full = % suction loss.  Go back and re-read your explination to me on how much a bag and/or filter suction decreases.  You do not give a number.  Why?  Because the vacuum makers do not give you a number (or at least not publicly).  Why?  Because the makers of the bags do not give a number (or at least not publicly).  3M the Filterete makers do not give a decrease suction number but only say the Filterete lasts 20% longer than other bags (and this is a mystery too. – what other bags exactly).  Personally I think the public would be ok with a 10% decrease of suction but because bag makers, bag vacuum makers say nothing, this leaves consumers in the dark and questioning why? - And so, if Dyson claims bags and filters clog and no maker of bags or bag vacuum say nothing, then they think the Dyson claim must be true.
 
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Thanks.  I got a good laugh at the crack pipe rip.  I even told my wife, she laughed too.   FYI,  I do not take drugs or alcohol and have seen first hand people kill themselves with this garbage.
 
I gotta go.
 
No Loss of Suction
 

Quote from old-timer on 05/18/07 at 9:48am:

 
Bagged vacuum manufacturers would have to state the type of test dirt in order to report on a drop in suction.  A fine powdery test dirt will reduce suction much more quickly than larger particles.  Some things like oily dog hair are likely to improve filtration, since dirt will stick to them.  
 
The problem with this discussion is that we are only considering one aspect of vacuum performance.  An upright with a good agitation can clean effectively over a wide range of suction values.  
 
Given Dyson's performance in standardized tests by a leading consumer magazine, I would assume that Dyson needs to continue working on agitation.  Will be interesting to see how the newer Dyson models perform in the next test results.  I'm also not particularly fond of emptying any bagless vacuum.  

JimB:
 
I posted the information several times.  On another thread.  
 
Right now 4 big box retailers are offering 15-20-30 percent off MSRP on all dysons (and other floorcare brands) including the DC18 Slim.  
 
Lowe's, Kohl's, Linens-N-Things, Bed Bath and Beyond.  Not just week long sales as you say.  Lowes started May 13 and the sale runs through May 27.  Discounting 20 percent off dyson MSRP including the DC18 Slim.  
 
BBBY, LNT have ALL MONTH sales of 20 percent discount (including dysons not exempting dysons as they once did).  Kohl's is a SIX DAY sale from May 17-22 with 15-20-30 percent off on ally dysons including the DC17 and DC18.  (NO QUANTITY LIMITS).  And it runs consecutive with a dyson mail-in-rebate of $50 on JUST dyson vacuums which started May 6 and ran through May 16.  Now, here's what I wonder.  Suppose a Kohl's customer bought a dyson and got $50 off (mail in rebate that takes a year).  Then gets a mail-out with 30 percent off the same dyson vacuum.  What does the Kohl's customer do?  Get's ugly doesn't it?
 
YOU and other dyson insiders said dyson enforces the 10 percent MAP.  SET IN STONE was the phrase one dysoner used and YOU agreed.  Dyson can't enforce MAP except with you and the Indy's.  Big box retailers dictate to dyson, not the other way around.  I just posted [for the 4th time] to you the obvious examples of big box retailers' violations in advertised sales in newspapers and mail-outs of discounts higher than dyson MAP 10 percent.  How clear can I make it for you!  
 
You said big box retailers would find "creative" ways of dyson discounting and stick with the MAP.    They have.  They routinely thumb their noses at the dyson MAP of 10 percent and sell for 20 percent and more off (including the newest models).
 
Duck and dodge, bob and weave.  You're living in a "vacuum" pardon the pun.  Take the dyson blinders off.  Look at your dyson competition.  You're getting the "business" from dyson (repairs and warranty) and the big box stores are eating into your high dyson markups on the new vacuum sales.  
 
Jim, this is just the beginning.  Other retailers (like BEST BUY and SEARS) will close ranks with the above retailers and disrespect the dyson MAP.  When they do, I'll be sure to post here to you.
 
Carmine D.

JimB:
 
Lowe's CLEARLY shows the 30 percent off dyson MSRP prices for all dysons (and other floorcare).  Glad you found the link.
 
Kohl's does not give the final price unless the customer buys.  Why?  Kohl's says on the Web site that the manufacturer (dyson) precludes showing the price because IT IS BELOW the maker's "minimum advertised price."  Is that proof enough for you?  Interesting that Lowe's shows it on the Web site and Kohl's can't?  Things do get ugly don't they.  Or as Matt mmc likes to diplomatically say: "Interesting."
 
Of course if you get the Sunday newspaper with the Kohl's sale and/or Kohl's mail out, it's there.    Obviously you don't, or if you do, you don't read.  
 
BBBY and LNT have the monthly 20 percent off coupons (from MSRP on dysons).  All you need do is the 20 percent off math.  You can do the math?  If not let me know.    I'll send you the discount coupons from BBBY and LNT too if you don't get the Sunday newspaper with their sales.  
 
I didn't say BEST BUY had 15-20-30 off dyson MSRP NOW.  I said wait, and it will.  And I'll post to let you know.  
 
And my point is with 4 big box retailers selling substantially below the dyson MAP AT THE SAME TIME, others will follow.  And you and the Indy's are stuck with the MAP.  Unless a customer comes in and says hey Jim I can get the DC18 at Kohl's right now for $328 and at BBBY, LNT, and Lowe's for $375.  What can you do on the price for the DC18?  What do you say to that customer?  
 
I know what BEST BUY will say.  I know what SEARS will say.  I know what all other dyson retailers will say.  I know what Jimmy the Pro said.  We just don't know what you'd say.  (HINT: duck and dodge, bob and weave).  
 
Carmine D.