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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #180 - 06/21/07 at 9:05am

HARDSELL:

I omitted an important detail in my previous post. All 3 of the big box vacuums you referenced: HOOVER WT, Eureka BOSS Smart Vacuum and BISSELL HEALTHY HOME are rated by Consumer Reports in the top 10. No dyson is. THe closest is the DC14 rated 16. And the DC07 a paltry 24 of 40. And ORECK is 14 (and still as always the case beats dyson). Dysons have fallen in the CR ratings as the CR performance tests have become more difficult for the dyson vacuums to navigate through successfully. But the prices of the new dyson vacuum models have risen nevertheless.

The ORECK bag is over half full toward capacity and beginning to add extra weight to the vacuum. But still the ORECK is performing wonderfully well both cleaning and grooming. The daily use of the ORECK, since its so ligt and quick to use, preempts dust and dirt from gestating and building up over time in rugs and on floor surfaces. Wink

BTW, daughter and Mother-in-law love their ORECKS too for all surface cleaning from the thickest looped wool pile to bare ceramic textured tile. As does my dear Wife. Too easy compared to bending down and turning the brush roll on and off on the dysons.

When you have to dump a dirt bin daily indoors and/or outdoors and inhaling dust and dirt along with it and then wash and dry expensive filters regularly thru-out a $400-$600 priced vacuum's usage to maintain the suction [we know the dyson brush roll won't do the work], an old-fashioned large paper bag starts looking like a great invention. Especially with a year's supply of 8 bags (or longer) for $16 plus shipping right to your door. Wink

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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #181 - 06/21/07 at 9:52am

Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 06/21/07 at 9:05am:

HARDSELL:

I omitted an important detail in my previous post. All 3 of the big box vacuums you referenced: HOOVER WT, Eureka BOSS Smart Vacuum and BISSELL HEALTHY HOME are rated by Consumer Reports in the top 10. No dyson is. THe closest is the DC14 rated 16. And the DC07 a paltry 24 of 40. And ORECK is 14 (and still as always the case beats dyson). Dysons have fallen in the CR ratings as the CR performance tests have become more difficult for the dyson vacuums to navigate through successfully. But the prices of the new dyson vacuum models have risen nevertheless.

The ORECK bag is over half full toward capacity and beginning to add extra weight to the vacuum. But still the ORECK is performing wonderfully well both cleaning and grooming. The daily use of the ORECK, since its so ligt and quick to use, preempts dust and dirt from gestating and building up over time in rugs and on floor surfaces. Wink

BTW, daughter and Mother-in-law love their ORECKS too for all surface cleaning from the thickest looped wool pile to bare ceramic textured tile. As does my dear Wife. Too easy compared to bending down and turning the brush roll on and off on the dysons.

When you have to dump a dirt bin daily indoors and/or outdoors and inhaling dust and dirt along with it and then wash and dry expensive filters regularly thru-out a $400-$600 priced vacuum's usage to maintain the suction [we know the dyson brush roll won't do the work], an old-fashioned large paper bag starts looking like a great invention. Especially with a year's supply of 8 bags (or longer) for $16 plus shipping right to your door. Wink

Carmine D.

CR is another to be added to the laugh list. It is amazing that the lowly rated Dyson is so popular with users in the real world and most are not satisfied with their preferences. I have never encountered an unsatisfied Dyson user when browsing the stores or when they come up in casual conversation with outside contacts.

Not surprised that the women love the Oreck. Light and easy to use. If only they knew what the Oreck was leaving in the carpet. Remember most women like cars that are easy to maneuver. They do not care about performance and handling.

Glad to know that the Oreck is a good electric dust mop.

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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #182 - 06/21/07 at 10:38am

HARDSELL:

I recall you using the Consumer Reports narrative to illustrate your preferences of the Toyota vehicles and justify your opinions of the shortcomings of BMW. I was using the Wall Street Journal. Apparently you think CR does a yeoman's job for cars (undoubtedly because your and their opinions agreed), but not vacuums (because yours and theirs do not). Where you stand depends on where you sit. Wink

Choose any authoritative industry source you like: Carpet and Rug Institute of America, American Society of Testing Materials, Good Housekeeping. Even the vacuum industry professionals. They all maintain the same stance as CR with respect to the vacuums we mentioned in our exchanges. Why? Because they know better than you.

Ironic too, that you believe your personal conversations and familiarizations with dyson users' comments should outweigh facts and opinions of authoritative industry sources which happen to concur with the vacuum experiences of my friends, family and customers' comments for ORECK and the other vacuum brands we discussed.

Where you stand depends......................I think you know the rest. Wink

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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #183 - 06/21/07 at 3:10pm

I wish I was retired. By the time I get a chance to check in here to see someone asked me a question they have written a book in the couple of days in between. So Carmine, I see a couple condescending/ridiculing posts stating that a link did not contain the info I said it did. Although it appears others may have helped you find it's rather obvious placement, but now that I have checked back in I wanted to make sure you did find the chart? I don't want to get accused again of not answering.

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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #184 - 06/21/07 at 5:05pm

Quote from JimB on 06/21/07 at 3:10pm:

I wish I was retired....I don't want to get accused again of not answering.

Then please answer my question. Here it is for a third time: Please explain to me as though I am a 6 year year old what do the NPD numbers mean and measure. I emailed USA Today for the details but they deferred to NPD. I emailed NPD and received nada.

That's what happens in retirement. Your lifelong hobby finally matures into a full-time profession. Wink

Quote from JimB on 06/21/07 at 3:10pm:

So Carmine, I see a couple condescending/ridiculing posts stating that a link did not contain the info I said it did. Although it appears others may have helped you find it's rather obvious placement, but now that I have checked back in I wanted to make sure you did find the chart?

Yes, if it were not for M00seUK, who empathizes with an old retired vacuum man, I would not have only missed the call out box I would never have found it. Why? After over 50 years in the vacuum cleaner business, I NEVER EVER expected to find NPD vacuum data in an article about the dyson airblade. What in the Sam Hill #@%&* does one have to do with the other? Beats me. Obviously self-serving and meaningless juxtaposition of numbers with completely unrelated narrative and vice versa. I note that the same USA Today article that appeared in other countries and languages excluded the chart data. Interesting?

Still no word back from NPD on my email. Anxiously awaiting a response from NPD, you/dyson fawners with an answer to my question on what the "chart data" mean and measure. I guess NPD and USA Today are of the opinion that "less is more." Wink

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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #185 - 06/22/07 at 7:50am

I took the liberty to excerpt this from a UK dyson article, that another poster was kind enough to provide on another thread. Thank you for the data. Since this thread has veered into the direction of how well dyson sales are, I double posted my response on the Forum to make it easier for readers to follow the exchanges. Enjoy.

"Total number of Dyson vacuum cleaners sold worldwide since 1993 is more than 20 million (2006).
10 million of these were sold in the last three years.
Two thirds of sales are now outside of our home market, the UK.
Overall growth in export sales of 44 per cent (2005)."

Since 10 million dyson vacuums (before returns) have sold worldwide in the last 3 years, I opined several times on this Forum (and still) that dyson has not sold ONE million units in the USA in one year. Considering that OVER 20 MILLION new vacuums are sold each year in the USA and have been for many years, dyson's unit volume share is less than 5 PERCENT of total yearly new vacuum sales in the USA. After more than 3 years in the USA.

Any wonder that dyson presents sales in dollar volume while the rest of the vacuum companies present data in unit sales? The vacuum industry for the last 50 years has always presented data on sales in unit volume, not dyson which uses dollar volume. Why? In unit volume terms, dyson would be considered a niche vacuum for sales not mainstream. Dyson likes to come off mainstream and wow its public persona. IMHO

Also of interest to me to note, dyson's 2006 financial results will be released this summer according to the article's author. Almost 6 months after the close of the calendar year. Just dyson results.

But the NPD can post results for the entire industry in the USA for the 3 months ended April 2007 in June? Sorry. You have to show me what the numbers mean and measure before I begin to believe them. Still no response back from NPD on my question about their numbers. Wink

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