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rjg2
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Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Original Message Feb 17, 2008 5:01 am |
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Hello, I am looking at purchasing a good vac for pet hair. I am considering the above 2 or something else. I prefer a bagless upright that has attachments. I like the price of the Sanitaire. I also would like something that is reliable. Thanks for any help!
This message was modified Feb 17, 2008 by rjg2
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HARDSELL
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #61 Jun 9, 2008 9:32 am |
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HARDSELL: Did you read the Users Manual for your dyson. Did you note the illustrations for dumping the dirt bin for allergy and asthma sufferers? Two pages with illustrations in great detail and narrative on the proper disposal and dumping of the dyson dirt bin to avoid health risks. All doctors advise allergy and asthma sufferers not to use bagless vacuums, dyson included. Consumer Reports does also. Me too! You sold your DC07 too and now use two bagged upright vacuums. Royal Eminence and Kirby Sentria. Excellent move. You finally took my advice. Carmine D.
As usual you can't answer my question as to why living and breathing filth daily becomes more hazardous after being vacuumed. Please pay attention. I think you are exagerating when you say that all doctors advise against bagless. I give no credit to opinions from CR and you.
When did you ever recommend Royaol or Kirby to me or anyone else. You only recommended hoover. Gald I did not listen to you. You do not take your own advice or you would still be be using Hoove and not Oreck. Hypocritical at its' best.
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dusty
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #62 Jun 9, 2008 12:18 pm |
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Think those women will dump dirt bins let alone wash dyson filters monthly and quarterly? No, probably not. Viola, same problem with dyson as not changing an overfill bag. $200 profit on a $500 retail vacuum. Wow! That's a huge mark up. No wonder sales people exaggerated claims about dyson. Profit motive! I would sell dysons too but only if the customer insisted on dyson. I would not recommend over any of the indy-store vacuum brands. Bagless, dyson included, is a nightmare for most vacuum customers after they use. Lots of hassles and high maintenance [dumping the bin, cleaning and replacing filters, and health hazards of dumping the dirt bin indoors]. Like Rainbows which top the list for price and pampering. Carmine D. Press a button, empty dirt. I don't think you are giving the ladies enough credit. Clear bin as opposed to a bag tucked away in a machine that you can't see. I don't see the problem. As for health hazards, how is it that Dyson in both the US and Canada are certified asthma friendly machines by the Asthma and Allergy Foundations in both countries? If it was indeed an evil health hazard should they not have that rating taken away? Personally the only time I've ever seen emptying a bin to be a hazard was on an Oreck infomercial and when you let the dirt go from 3 feet above the garbage...well....perhaps your not qualified enough to be vacuuming in the first place. Might also want to remove any sharp objects that are lying around too :-) Again Carmine, don't get me wrong. I'm a Riccar and Sebo guy. But to say Dyson is done and the masses are upset with the vacuum I have to strongly disagree. Dyson is here to stay. They'll make changes, alter price points, and do all the same things all the other companies do to make it work but until the other companies come up with a bagless machine that compares favorbably they'll be able to charge whatever they like for the product. Dusty
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CarmineD
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #63 Jun 9, 2008 1:12 pm |
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Hello Dusty: The dyson bin is easy to dump. Other bagless bins too. Big Headache: Where do you dump it? Inside? Outside? Either way, a hassle and problem. Especially as the dyson bins get smaller. What that's all about? Dyson prices had to fall and MAP get scrubbed. 20 percent and more off the dyson MSRP is normal with added bonus of giftcards and store cash. That's how the dyson brand survives now at the big box retailers. Exclusive dyson models are long gone. Simple on the certifications. The certs are granted for one reason and one reason only. They are based on the users reading and following the dyson User Manual for dirt bin dumping. Why do you think dyson devotes 2 pages of explicit detail and instructions. [I'm sure you recommend to all your dyson buying customers who are allergy and asthma sufferers to read and follow the dyson instructions]. The halo with UV-C for germ killing is mentioned frequently. The CEO, Mr. Garcia, commissioned a study to prove halos used regularly are better for asthma and allergy sufferers. Why do you think halo comes with a paper bag? Not bagless. So doctors can recommend to their asthma and allergy patients? You're getting warm. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #64 Jun 9, 2008 1:43 pm |
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Again Carmine, don't get me wrong. I'm a Riccar and Sebo guy. But to say Dyson is done and the masses are upset with the vacuum I have to strongly disagree. Dyson is here to stay. They'll make changes, alter price points, and do all the same things all the other companies do to make it work but until the other companies come up with a bagless machine that compares favorbably they'll be able to charge whatever they like for the product.
Dusty
Dusty:
I thoroughly agree with the words from your post that I highlighted. If you want me to believe that dyson is and will be the only bagless vacuum game in town then answer this for me: Why has dyson new market share in the UK dropped from a high in 2004 of 43 percent to 28 percent in 2007. That's an average drop of 5 points in market share per year for 3 years. Why? Carmine D.
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #65 Jun 9, 2008 1:55 pm |
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Hello Dusty: The dyson bin is easy to dump. Other bagless bins too. Big Headache: Where do you dump it? Inside? Outside? Either way, a hassle and problem. Especially as the dysons bins get smaller. What that's all about? Dyson prices had to fall and MAP get scrubbed. 20 percent and more off the dyson MSRP is normal with added bonus of giftcards and store cash. That's how the dyson brand survives now at the big box retailers. Exclusive dyson models are long gone. Simple on the certifications. The certs are granted for one reason and one reason only. They are based on the users reading and following the dyson User Manual for dirt bin dumping. Why do you think dyson devotes 2 pages of explicit detail and instructions. [I'm sure you recommend to all your dyson buying customers who are allergy and asthma sufferers to read and follow the dyson instructions]. The halo with UV-C for germ killing is mentioned frequently. The CEO, Mr. Garcia, commissioned a study to prove halos used regularly are better for asthma and allergy sufferers. Why do you think halo comes with a paper bag? Not bagless. So doctors can recommend to their asthma and allergy patients? You're getting warm. Carmine D. Carmine, People who have enough sense to come out of the rain can empty a Dyson bin cleanly, less sense would be problematc (“big headache”). DIB
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CarmineD
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #66 Jun 9, 2008 1:57 pm |
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Carmine, People who have enough sense to come out of the rain can empty a Dyson bin cleanly, less sense would be problematc (“big headache”). DIB Hello DIB: Obviously, you never ever saw the 1952 movie with Gene Kelly: "Singin in the Rain." Great movie. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045152/ Where do you empty your dyson dirt bin? Indoors or out? How often? Do you suffer from allergies and/or asthma? Know any one who does [suffer from allergies, sinuses, asthma] and owns a dyson vacuum? Do they follow the dyson User Instructions for dumping the dirt bin? Why do you think halo is bagged and not bagless? Conspiracy to sell paper bags? You're cold! Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #67 Jun 9, 2008 2:10 pm |
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Dusty: I thoroughly agree with the words from your post that I highlighted. If you want me to believe that dyson is and will be the only bagless vacuum game in town then answer this for me: Why has dyson new market share in the UK dropped from a high in 2004 of 43 percent to 28 percent in 2007. That's an average drop of 5 points in market share per year for 3 years. Why? Carmine D. Still have comprehension problems I see. Dusty did not say that Dyson is or will be the only bagless. Now please tell us a comparable bagless. You didn't even know that Oreck was superior to Hoover until your wife guided you in that direction. Why don't you tell us why Dyson has lost market share? Please give facts as your opinions are biases and useless.
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CarmineD
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #68 Jun 9, 2008 2:13 pm |
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Still have comprehension problems I see. Dusty did not say that Dyson is or will be the only bagless. Now please tell us a comparable bagless. You didn't even know that Oreck was superior to Hoover until your wife guided you in that direction. Why don't you tell us why Dyson has lost market share? Please give facts as your opinions are biases and useless.
HARDSELL:
I never thought you'd ask. Answer: LESS EXPENSIVE AND BETTER PERFORMING VACUUM COMPETITION. Bagged and bagless. Now, what do you think is [are] the reason [s]. Carmine D.
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dusty
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #69 Jun 9, 2008 2:13 pm |
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Dusty: I thoroughly agree with the words from your post that I highlighted. If you want me to believe that dyson is and will be the only bagless vacuum game in town then answer this for me: Why has dyson new market share in the UK dropped from a high in 2004 of 43 percent to 28 percent in 2007. That's an average drop of 5 points in market share per year for 3 years. Why? Carmine D. I don't want you to believe Dyson is the only bagless vacuum game in town, just that they aren't going vanish into thin air. UK market share has many factors..economic time (as you're going thru in the states) , the fact they moved production to Malasia didn't help matters on the home front either. What's wrong with 28 percent by the way? I would think most companies would be jumping for joy with numbers like that. In Canada they are sitting at 24 percent market share in 3 years. Not to bad either. You don't think Oreck or Sebo would love to have those numbers? No, Dyson isn't the only bagless vacuum but it is number one and I don't think that's going to change. Dusty
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dusty
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #70 Jun 9, 2008 2:20 pm |
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Where do you empty your dyson dirt bin? Indoors or out? How often? Do you suffer from allergies and/or asthma? Know any one who does [suffer from allergies, sinuses, asthma] and owns a dyson vacuum? Do they follow the dyson User Instructions for dumping the dirt bin?
Where do you empty your bag? Do you follow the guide on your Oreck bag or like most people try and cram as much dirt into it as you can. Every tried to take the bag out when that happens? The minute you pop the bag off its mount there is dust in the air. Now you have to actually try and lift it out of the cloth bag. I've had bags that way a good 5 pounds and are so packed into the cloth bag it's almost a two person job to get it out. The Dyson is no different than any other appliance, you follow the instructions and you won't have a problem. I've seem people screw up every vacuum on the market because they neglect to read the book. If that happens, it's their own problem not the vacuums. Dusty
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