Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Hello,

I am looking at purchasing a good vac for pet hair.  I am considering the above 2 or something else.  I prefer a bagless upright that has attachments.  I like the price of the Sanitaire.  I also would like something that is reliable.  Thanks for any help!

CarmineD wrote:

All the knowledgeable know that those other bagless are only there for the price shoppers.  They can't compare with Dyson quality.

I refer back to your plasma.  Builder line of product to thrill the buyer when ii is little more than Junk.  Next you should upgrade that builder grade carpet.

HARDSELL:

The other bagged and bagless brands are dyson's competition.  Dyson is loosing market share to its competition here and abroad.  You and other dyson fans would have us believe that there is no competition for dyson out there.  Not the vacuum that never clogs and loses suction.  Right.  So why did you buy a bagged Royal Eminence for $299 when you can get a new dyson DC07 for the same if not less?  Competition is a wonderful thing for consumers.   Even former dyson owners like you.  Not so wonderful for the product makers.  HOOVER on my friend!

Carmine D.

I get it now DIB:  With dyson, the buyer spends $500 and gets an either/or choice.  Either supposed good filtration [if you believe the myth] with care free filter maintenance and/or ball technology and normal user filter maintenance.  What an innovative marketing ploy!  What if a dyson buyer wants both?  Out of luck?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Yes, there are many bagless brands on the market.  The majority of which use a cartridge filter that sits in with all the dirt.  You can not tell me that they are just as easy to clean as the filter in a Dyson.  We have been running a Dyson in our store for almost 6 months and the secondary filter, while dusty is still very clean.  The Eureka Capture, which gets used far less has had to have the filter washed frequently.  Our bagless Panasonics and their cartridge filter are filthy and require constant cleaning.  The Bissell Healthy home may be a worthy contender but Bissell recommends changing the hepa filter every 6 months ($24.95) and washing the secondary filter at least once a month.  The secondary filter is also no where near the quality of the Dyson and I suspect after multiple washes you would have to replace that too.  Again, I'd have to give Dyson the edge.

I have no problem comparing the Dyson to high end vacuums.  The Sebo would be a good example...high end, geared belt, low maintenance.  Bags alone are roughly $20 and the bags with filter maintenance kit around $50. Over the course of 5 years the average customer would buy 3 packs of bags and 2 maintenance kits for a total of $160.  Add that to the cost of a X4 which is about $700 and you have a vacuum that will cost you $860 over 5 years. Geez, I could purchase 2 DC18's for that kind of money and never have to leave the house for bags.  Again, if it were me I'd buy the Sebo but for the consumer doing their own research it's not hard to see why Dyson have done so well.

As far as vacuum shoppers sticking to the indy's for bags and such I will disagree once again.  I'm frequently asked if there is somewhere "closer" to where the customer lives that they can buy bags or even worse...can I buy these at Wal-Mart. 

Dusty

dusty wrote:

Hello Dusty:

You said it all with the words I highlighted.  SEBO over dyson any day for a vacuum pro.  I agree.  Substitute any other indy-store vacuum brand for SEBO comparable in price to dysons.  What would you chose as better and sell to customers?

WRT vacuum customers doing their own shopping and deciding on dyson, they did in the past because of the overstated claims by sales persons that dysons didn't clog and the filters were virtually maintenance free.  Both are myths.  Now these claims are widely known in the industry as false.  Vacuum shoppers will shy away from dyson in the future in part due to the mediocre performance, in part the increased filter maintenance required for warranty, and most especially the high dyson prices.

With the cost of gas so high and going up, you have a point on shoppers and bags.  They may look elsewhere than the store of vacuum purchase.  They will probably go on-line and buy the bags to avoid gas and time. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Known in the industry perhaps, but not by the general consumer.  Even when we point out that bins need to be emptied and filters cleaned, the customer that comes in looking for a Dyson will still choose it over the majority of our bag models.  Again, just the thought of having to do a little less is all it takes for them to spend $500.  This is exactly why we decided to carry the line...it's easier to give the customer what they want rather than constantly selling away from it all the time.  It may not be my favorite machine but $200 profit in my pocket is better than letting Best Buy or Target have it.

Dusty

CarmineD wrote:

Judging from the positive Dyson reviews on this site alone it is evident that readers do not listen to your propaganda.  Only 1 review for Oreck and that is from a biased Carmine.

How far is the future.  I think it is now.  You have been telling us for three yeare that in the future Dyson will fail. The only one to falter is Carmine.

dusty wrote:

Hello Dusty:

I highlighted the relevant words in your post.  People that owned dysons know because they experienced the clogging filters and loss in suction.  First time dyson bagless buyers probably don't but they will be burdened with filter maintenance.  You and I know that most vacuum users won't do it.  You provided an excellent post on the overworked housewives leaving the bag and belt changes to their husbands when they get home from work.  Think those women will dump dirt bins let alone wash dyson filters monthly and quarterly?  No, probably not.  Voila, same problem with dyson as not changing an overfill bag.

$200 profit on a $500 retail vacuum.  Wow!  That's a huge mark up.  No wonder sales people exaggerated claims about dyson.  Profit motive!  I would sell dysons too but only if the customer insisted on dyson.  I would not recommend over any of the indy-store vacuum brands.  Bagless, dyson included, is a nightmare for most vacuum customers after they use.  Lots of hassles and high maintenance [dumping the bin, cleaning and replacing filters, and health hazards of dumping the dirt bin indoors].  Like Rainbows which top the list for price and pampering.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I used a DC07 for 3 years.  I checked the filter regularly and only washed it a couple of times.  When I washed the filter the water was only slightly dingy.  Dumping the bin was not a pleasant thing but neither is changing belts or lugging the vacuum back to the dealer for a tune up and them going back to get it.

If you live in the same filth daily that you are dumping why is it more hazardous after it has been vacuumed and then dumped?  I have never read a report about a fatality caused from dumping a dirt bin.

HARDSELL wrote:

HARDSELL:

Did you read the Users Manual for your dyson.  Did you note the illustrations for dumping the dirt bin for allergy and asthma sufferers?  Two pages with illustrations in great detail and narrative on the proper disposal and dumping of the dyson dirt bin to avoid health risks.  All doctors advise allergy and asthma sufferers not to use bagless vacuums, dyson included.  Consumer Reports does also.  Me too!

You sold your DC07 too and now use two bagged upright vacuums. Royal Eminence and Kirby Sentria.  Excellent move.  You finally took my advice.

Carmine D.