Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Hello,

I am looking at purchasing a good vac for pet hair.  I am considering the above 2 or something else.  I prefer a bagless upright that has attachments.  I like the price of the Sanitaire.  I also would like something that is reliable.  Thanks for any help!

dusty wrote:

Dusty:  What's wrong?  Dyson's lost 15 percent in 3 years.  By dyson's own admission.  [I think it may even be more].  By dyson numbers that's 5 percent a year.  What other vacuum brand has lost that much market share in the UK in 3 years?  At that rate of attrition, dyson will disappear into thin air in the UK in just 5 more years!  Maybe sooner. 

Carmine D.

dusty wrote:
Will you still defend dyson if the huge margins goes away?,WHAT IF SEBOS MARGIN WAS ONLY 5% would you expell the virtues of it?,How many times do i have to tell you there is going to be no money in it and very soon,
Dont get sucked into their B.S. I would be willing to bet that europro still has plenty of fantoms left,after the buyout,

How does it feel to be run out of business by the same companies you push?

Get me once shame on you get me twice shame on me.

My good friend from CANADA,[VERNON] has the real lowdown on the canadian numbers,

been there done that

THE-MOLE

dusty wrote:

Dusty: 

I change the ORECK paper bag every month. It can last longer.  [It's one of the largest in the the industry.]  I have an English yellow lab that sheds year round.  The air filtration on the XL Classic [ORECK-s least expensive model] is not as good as the Deluxe and Ultra ORECK-s.  My dear Wife is an allergy and sinus sufferer.  

I remove the old ORECK bag in my study [indoors].  I fold the top of the bag over [with the hole opening] and into the bottom of the bag [with the dirt].  I walk to the kitchen with the old bag in hand and I open the lid on the plastic trash can [equippped with plastic liner] and place the old bag in the can.  For all intents and purposes the dirt and germs are completely contained in the paper bag in the trash can.  Then, I wash my hands in the kitchen sink.  The kitchen can liner can gets dumped and replaced nightly.

I walk back to the study and I insert a new paper bag [which I keep stored in the closet next to the study].  No dirt clouds.  No dirt trails.   Bag costs $2.00 each.  ORECK-s cheapest brand CC Type.  Just like new again until the next month.  The bag track/harness on the ORECK makes bag removal/replacement quick, clean and easy. 

I have a bottle of PURELL hand cleanser in the study.  I dop a drop on my hands, rub in, and voila.  Mission accomplished. Takes me 2-3 minutes in all.  Tops.

Carmine D.

dusty wrote:

Dusty:

No I don't think either SEBO/ORECK do.  Why?  If they did, they would be made in China and be sold in the big box stores and TV sales network stations like dysons.  SEBO and ORECK are not interested in these sales venues.  Miele?  Maybe soon?  Although I suspect Miele will continue to be made in Germany with another factory in the USA, perhaps Mexico?

SEBO and ORECK are content with the market share/niches that they carved out over the years.  They are both well respected brand names.  Other brands and brand sellers are envious.  Why? Because they try to compete in those niche markets with SEBO and ORECK too.  [Quality, lightweight and top tier performers]. 

Carmine D.

Carmine,

Manufacturer underachievement is not vogue or good business by any stretch of the imagination.  D.O. could use more market share and the extra profits to pay off his many investors and finally buy back his namesake.        DIB

mole wrote:
Huge margins are reserved for Sebo, Miele, Oreck and most of the other independent only vacuums.  Dyson, while being better than most department store brands is hardly a top money maker.  If I was being run out of business by brands I pushed I'd be pointing the finger at Eureka, Hoover or Panasonic...all of which can show up in department stores at the same or sometimes even below my cost.

If someone has other Canadian numbers I'd like to see them.  I got mine from a late 2007 business week article so if there is an update feel free to post.

Dusty

CarmineD wrote:
I take my Dyson bin (ok, the stores Dyson bin...I have central vac) hold it a few inches from the bottom of an open garbage bag, press the red button and let all the debris into the bag.  There is no dust cloud as I'm not emptying from any great height.  I close the bin lid and reinsert it into the unit.  Just as easy as your bag.  Once again, it's not the vacuum at fault if someone is finding it harder than this....it's the user.  I couldn't begin to count the amount of Orecks we have repaired where the bottom of the outer bag is loaded with dirt and debris because people leave the paper bags in to long and they tear getting them out...same goes for the Dyson if you don't empty the cup.  Follow instructions, live a happy vacuum life.  Go your own way, you better get to know your local vacuum dealer.

Dusty

dusty wrote:

How often?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
At the store we empty frequently as we don't want to empty a full container over the showroom floor.  Home use, we still suggest emptying when done your cleaning.  I'd guess in most homes that's once a week (all though I'm sure some folks only pull the vacuum out every month)

Dusty

dusty wrote:

I vacuum daily.  1500 square feet.  80 percent carpet.  20 percent floors.  Change the bag monthly.  No filters to maintain.  If I vacuumed daily with a dyson, and any other bagless, I would dump 30 times a month.   Hassle.  Big headache.

Most persons vacuum 2-3 times per week on the average.  That means dumping a dirt bin 2-3 times per week and 8-12 times per month.  Hassle? Headache?  Choose your poison. 

If a person vacuumed once a month [depending on the square feet], and did a thorough vacuuming, my sense is that he/she would have to dump the dirt bin at least 2-4 times for 1500 square feet.  And they would still leave behind a huge amount of embedded dirt in the carpets and rugs.

Carmine D.