Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

I have been looking at toro 826, ariens 927dlx, simplcity 9528 and JD 1130 [which I understand is a simplcity in JD green]. I have a 250ft driveway mostly one car width. I know there is some differences in sizes , but they are close to my budget of $2000 canadian taxes in. Will the 826 handle the heavy wet snow as easy as the larger Simplicity and JD models. It is hard to get a straight answer out the salesman,so I will ask questions on here.  Cast iron gearboxes vs aluminum, does it matter?  The chute rotation gears in the toro are plastic , in the ariens they are plastic and steel  vs. both steel gears in the simplicity and JD . Is that a concern for the future? What are your thoughts on these models longevity? Help me pick the right !st snowblower.

borat wrote:

no I am not trolling ,just trying get to straight answers. I am trying to do my homework....

as far prices go here in PEI ; toro 826 $1799 [dealer will sell for 1399 to match HD],ariens 927 $1399,simplcity 9528 $1760and JD 1130 $1699.  The toro and ariens dlx models seems to be the same at the dealer and home depot. The sears models run from 1399 -1599 and the husqvarna from 1399 to 16499 , so no advantage there.

You should be able to negotiate at least a couple hundred off the price of the Simplicity. I bought my 9528 two years ago from a small out of the way farm implement repair shop for $1500.00 all in. I'd be surprised if the dealer will budge on the JD. Particularly if it's being sold at a John Deere dealership. They seem to think they are doing you a favour just by letting you have the privilege to buy their products. A bit like Toro dealership arrogance.

Several years ago, when I was shopping for a lawn tractor, I went to the JD dealership to check out what they had. The salesman told me that he had a used lawn tractor in the back that he would let go for $1000.00. When he showed it to me, I couldn't help but laugh. I swear it looked like it was from the '60s and might have done a tour or two in Viet Nam. It was virtually rusted everywhere with the odd patch of green paint that survived under the seat. It was filthy with a grease/grass/gravel coating on the engine and under carriage components. It had a 12 h.p. Kohler single cylinder engine that looked as though it was built by Fred Flintstone. Tires were probably original with not tread on them at all. In all honesty, he couldn't give me that machine. Yet they had the audacity to ask a grand for it!

Getting back to the snow thrower. Take the prices and brochures you have for the Ariens machines and have a pleasant talk with the Simplicity dealer. See if he'll match the price. Even if they don't move much on the Simplicity, I'd still buy one. If it's still built like the one I have (and I'm pretty sure they are), they're worth the extra money.

the JD has a 200 rebate ,reg price is 1899. The simplicity dealer has already took $75 off the reg price and said he couldn't go any lower.

granville,

Where have you looked for Snowblowers? Have you tried Veseys in York? They carry Toro, Ariens. Daniel Christopher sales in Tignish also carries Ariens.

I don't want to start a flame war, but it seems odd that some on here give very strong opinions calling some brands overpriced junk and others top of the heap even after admitting not to have been in a dealer in couple years or have any experience with current models.  I would suggest getting a good look at all the models in your price range, weigh the pros and cons of the features, try to move them all around to see how the various differentials and wheel lock systems work, take a close look at how heavy duty the moving and wear parts are.  I think most of the higher end brands, if maintained properly, will last a very long time.

Looks like the JD is the best bang for the buck. Considering that it's built by Simplicity, I'd have no hesitation buying one. Looks like you're getting more machine as well compared to the others.

billy wrote:

billy

I got the prices for the toro and ariens at veseys. Danny Christophers was higher for the ariens and the simplicity,but to be fair I did not go back to him to see if he would match the other dealers. Niel's in ch'town was the best price for simplicity. Green Diamond and Reddins were the same price for JD.  Do you know what  any of these dealers are like for service.

granville wrote:
I've only ever taken mine to Neil's Sales and Service. Price was fair and turnaround was quick.

bdresch wrote:
It's obvious you are targeting my comments. You might want to note that I was asked for my opinion. I don't see anyone asking for yours.
I don't recall using the word "junk". However, if that's the way you feel about the lower end Ariens and Toro models, you're entitled to your opinion and you'll get no argument from me.

I do not agree with Borat. Craftsman, Husqvaran, and MTD make inferior machines compared to the popular three: Areins, Toro, Simplicity. I recently purchased a toro and did extensive research to compare all three brands in my area. Just for kicks, I checked out the craftsmans, Huskys, and even an MTD throwers. There is no contest between the cheap machines, and the better offerings. Just take a look at one in person, you don't have to be an engineer.

As for Simplicity, Ariens, Toro.... they are much harder to differentiate. They are all pretty much the same in terms of quality, since all three compete with each other and will do as much to increase the bottom line. Are they cheaper built than in the past? Yes. Are any of them that much worse? No. When you consider all the variables between the three companies, the only thing that changes are three things relative to the consumer: price, features, and dealer support. (notice quality is excluded since all three are quality) Yes Toro is the most expensive of the three but if price is no issue and you like specific features than go with a Toro. Ariens are the least expensive of the three, depending on what price range you are looking at.

For example I was looking at the:
(I now prices are different, but just to give you and idea)

826OE @ $1200 after rebate ($1400 reg)
Simplicity L1226E @ $1100
Ariens 27 Deluxe @ $1000
Ariens 24 Deluxe @ $900

In the end my decision came down to features. I did not want traction control on the ariens specifically. I think traction changing components are a complex weak point even on the Toros, though I think Toro's design execution is the best. I didn't really care for the one sided remote lockout on both Ariens 27dlx and Simp. But I did like the quick chute on the toro. The Simplicity felt more robust in that it was heavier, but looking closer it was simillar in build with the other two. I did not like the electric chute rotation on the simp.

In the end I went with Toro because of the chute, and some other features that I liked (better engine, heavy duty bushings on the axle, bigger auger gearbox, intake area, weight distribution, and I like toro so I was obviously a bit partial to them). Also the rebate was a big factor. Dealer kind of sucked, but I won't need him since I work on my ope myself.

But I don't think my Toro will last any longer than the other three options I had. One thing I can be sure of: if properly taken care of, then all the machines will last at least 10-15 years, and they will be enjoyable to use in that time period. The cheap machines will probably last a while too, but won't be as enjoyable.

So in conclusion:

find good dealers (if you plan on them for service),
decide on the price point,
get a machine with features you want,

If I had to do it over again, I might have gone with the Ariens 24 Deluxe.