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Tri-Star_Vacman Junior Member I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 48	Re: Dyson Videos/Articles - for Dyson HATERS only Reply #10 - 04/03/07 at 5:47pm Actually, bagged vacs are better than bagless vacs b/c the bags are cheaper than filters for bagless ones & the bag captures larger particles even smaller ones if micro-lined bags; bagless is LESS efficient.
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Reply #11 - 04/04/07 at 8:41am

Quote from RAT on 04/03/07 at 4:11pm:

While some of Dyson's features are innovative, some like the ball seem to be forced onto the design. I believe it was Dual who once said that Dyson ought to hire someone like himself to be a historian for the company to keep them from continuing to re-invent things that were available in decades past.

I would recommend that Dyson contract out the manufacturing of the power nozzles for their canisters and brush rolls for uprights.

Like the "ball" wheel on the DC15 and now the power nozzle of the DC21. The dyson DC21 Stowaway's wheel looks EXACTLY like the GE upright wheel of the early 1960's (but about 1/3 the size). Not to mention that Kenneth J patented the wheel facilitator application for vacuums more than 5 years before dyson came to market with the DC15.

Dyson already outsources the upright motors to Panasonic and others, why not the other vacuum components too. If dyson writes the specs correctly, at least the dyson outsourced components can meet industry wide standards.

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Reply #12 - 04/04/07 at 9:00am

Quote from JimB on 04/03/07 at 10:51pm:

Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/03/07 at 10:12pm:

Would you care to share the secret of your success with dyson? An/or tell us what you believe the product line offers that makes it easy for you to sell. While others pass it up and miss out.

Carmine D.

Pretty simple actually. Sometimes "experts" in an industry outsmart themselves don't listen to what buyers want and instead try to tell them what they want. In retail the customer is always right. It is a simple rule that us "experts" sometimes are to full of ourselves to remember. The simple fact that competitors have been much to slow to realize is that consumers who buy a dyson like it and recomend it to others. Telling them all the reason they are dumb to like using a product they enjoy using and like the result from is bad business IHMO. If you want to sell against a product you build up your own not beat down the one the consumer already likes it hurts your credibility in the consumers eyes when you go negative on something they are happy with.

Sound familiar? All salespeople use this rationalization to sell products that are overpriced and underperforming. How about the luxury car sales people: You have to be willing to pay alot to buy what you like!

On a vacuum level, this was the rationale that retailers used to push Regina Electrikbrooms. A bad floorcare product and a drug on the market. But people loved them and bought them up by the boatloads. Seen one lately?

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Reply #13 - 04/04/07 at 3:41pm

Hi JimB,care to tell us your background in the vacuum business,how long,how many retail outlets,service centers, who do you buy your parts and supplies from, what the wholesale costs are, any on line stores,do business with manufactures, sell out of the country,a real expert sells vacuums by the pallet load............

or do you need permission from Dyson himself, before saying?

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Carmine_Difazio Ultimate Member I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 5559	Re: Dyson Videos/Articles - for Dyson HATERS only Reply #14 - 04/07/07 at 9:03am Quote from RAT on 04/03/07 at 4:11pm: The oddest thing with Dyson is that each "improved" model seems to have a higher price, less suction, a shorter cord, and a smaller dirt bin. Hello RAT: Dyson gives new meaning to less is more! Carmine D.
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Carmine_Difazio Ultimate Member I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 5559	Re: Dyson Videos/Articles - for Dyson HATERS only Reply #15 - 04/07/07 at 10:19am Quote from RAT on 04/03/07 at 4:11pm: While some of Dyson's features are innovative, some like the ball seem to be forced onto the design. In other words, RAT: Just because technology allows you to do something, doesn't always mean it's a brilliant move. That's a novel concept! Carmine D.
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Reply #16 - 04/07/07 at 2:45pm

Quote from RAT on 04/03/07 at 4:11pm:

I think they (dyson) need a involve more women in the design of their products.

I would recommend that Dyson contract out the manufacturing of the power nozzles for their canisters and brush rolls for uprights.

RAT:

Dyson boasts one third of its employees are engineers. If we accept the number of their employees as 1500 then 500 are engineers. Wow! Does it really take 500 engineers on staff to build a better vacuum. MacDonald's hired one top notch chef to invent a new meal for the menu and in a short period of time the "chicken wrap" was born (sells for a $1.29) and MacDonald's profits took off. MacDonald's has 50,000 restaurants in over 500 countries around the world?

I think dyson should reduce the number of engineers to the 1 and/or 2 best from each country where it sells. Or about 45-100 total engineers. Then dyson could build products that are not "over-engineered and designed" and sell them for less. How? By saving the exorbitant costs of salaries and benefits for 400-450 top paid salaried people. That's a huge savings that could easily be translated into lower overhead and into lower product prices.

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Reply #17 - 04/09/07 at 3:49pm

Hi,

I would also feel lot more comfortable by way of sensing that there was more input from the rank-and-file female regarding the manufacture of household appliances in general made by anyone. Women are "expected" to use them -- and ususally do. Us guys do come up with dazzling ideas for things that many of us don't have to use much.

By the way, I need some help -- would anyone, male or female, who has knowledge of LG dishwashers over the past few years and their longevity and repair ratings please send me heads-ups by way of my mailbox here. Please do not place this way-off-topic info in any of the threads here.

Thanks,

Venson

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Reply #18 - 04/09/07 at 4:02pm

The initial "buzz" on the Forum (never repudiated) during the VDTA in Las Vegas about the DC18 Slim (dyson-lite) was that it was a dealer exclusive until June 2007. That was WRONG. Several big box retailers have it and advertised the DC18 as a lightweight for sale for $469. Leaving the indy's out again for the sake of the big box stores.

And it can't be the DC21 Stowaway canister, since HSN launched it several weeks ago for $499 and then reran it recently. PLUS some SEARS stores are advertising the DC21 for $499. Again, dyson disses the "indy's" and plays the darling with the big dogs.

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Reply #19 - 04/09/07 at 5:35pm

Hi Carmine,we both know why they only cater to the big dogs,the indy's wont support them for too long. They cant sell the smart indy's a bill of goods,with the box stores they sell them in tonage[at the best price].You know that there pricing structure is set so that only dyson is making money. And the dealers[indy's]get to put out the fires.

You can mark my words they will be gone and forgotten about in 3 years...........

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