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Dyson Videos/Articles - for Dyson HATERS only (Read 4504 times)
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Reply #160 -
07/08/07 at 12:06pm
The only way one could not understand Jimb's link to USA Today on Vacuum marketshare is if that person did not like the numbers and wanted to purposely decieve. It is pretty simple USA Today used data from the top gatherer of such data. The data in the link below clearly shows dyson owning 25.2% of revenue in the upright vacuum market for the first three months of this year with the closest competitor about 10 points behind.
I have read about NPD at the link provided to them and think I along with major retailers trust this data more than a retired guy on a personal anti dyson jihad hearsay with a Sears salesperson in some store in sububarn Nevada.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/manufacturing/2007-06-17-dyson-usat_N.htm?csp=34
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07/08/07 at 1:45pm
Justasking2:
Another name of a dyson fawner from the past. Let me say as an accounting and finance type, in addition to a vacuum professional of over 50 years, that 3 months of percentage data, regardless of who and how it is collected and presented, is meaningless.
The best and most convincing data on dyson sales numbers was provided in a UK link from INVENTS BIG which dyson itself was the source. 10 MILLION new dysons sold in the last 3 years with 40 percent in the UK and 60 percent exported. Do the math. It's simple. That would be 2 million new dysons exported each year to about 24 major worldwide countries and 2 dozen lesser countries.
No matter who and how you figure, it comes to less than ONE MILLION new dysons sold per year for the last 3 years [2004, 2005, 2006] in the USA. Where the new vacuum sales market is consistently 20 MILLION units per year. With dyson's best sales year in 2004 at about 900,000 new USA units.
Recall that retail sales prices of the dysons were lower then from now. In 2005, 2006, 2007 dyson raised its retail prices substantially on its new models [and its sales in units have suffered] so its dollar volume of sales have creeped up slightly. About 4 percent according to the NPD data for the first 3 months of 2007. Recall it was about 21 percent for all of 2004.
So the marginal percentage increase (3-4 percent) for the first quarter in 2007 vice the entire year of 2004 is due to its higher retail prices. Not unit sales increases.
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07/08/07 at 1:54pm
And here's the link posted again--I am not the source of this link on the Forum. A dyson advocate on the Forum [DYSON INVENTS BIG] is the source of the link posted. Absolute unit sales numbers for 3 past consecutive years worth of sales data from the source--dyson--always trump 3 month's worth of guesstimate percentage numbers from a third party source which refuses to provide a bases for the meaning and measuring. IMHO.
As an accounting and finance type AND vacuum profesional, I noted that dyson does not split out the yearly sales results from one year to another. Instead it clumps all the sales data together for 3 years. Why? IMHO, Because dyson sales in the USA in 2005 and 2006 went down from 2004, the last year that dyson "boasted" of its USA unit sales of about 900,000 units. [Not factoring in for all the returns].
http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/07/06/12/10131686.html
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07/08/07 at 4:02pm
The Ford Mustang is superior to the Rolls Royce. I know this is true because of the ratio of each auto that is sold each year. I previously had no idea that annual units sold related to quality.
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07/08/07 at 5:53pm
Hello HARDSELL:
Funny!
And true. JD Power gave the annual awards for 2007 to --you got it--FORD. Rolls Royce wasn't even on the short list.
Like I always say: High price is not an indicator of high quality. Case in point: dyson vacuums and the list is long encompassing many models and years. Dyson vacuums are mediocre at best and for the price, very underwhelming.
But good friend, you were right on with the 42 inch VIZIO TV's at COSTCO. Stick to TV's and cars. Jimmy P, Tiger21, Mark, vacuuman etc. etc. and I will take care of the vacuums.
And I would say annual units sold consistently year after year are, if not and indicator of quality, at least and indicator of customers' satisfaction in performance, price, and product brand. Gee, that sounds oddly the same as "quality."
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07/08/07 at 7:17pm
Back to the old marketshare by dollars or by units argument. As a finance guy I figured you would prefer dollars in the bank not units sold. Although neither is a quantative measure of quality they are of company success. I will take 1 million "y" brand sold at $500 bucks over 2 million "x" brand at $75 anyday of the week if I was looking to measure success.
If I was to take you business advice I would sell my business and take up the lucrative 1 penny gumball business. Think of all those units sold, I wonder why everyone isn't flocking to that lucrative industry to rack up units in the bank.
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07/08/07 at 9:37pm
Quote from JimB
on 07/08/07 at 7:17pm:
Back to the old marketshare by dollars or by units argument. As a finance guy I figured you would prefer dollars in the bank not units sold. Although neither is a quantative measure of quality they are of company success. I will take 1 million "y" brand sold at $500 bucks over 2 million "x" brand at $75 anyday of the week if I was looking to measure success.
If I was to take you business advice I would sell my business and take up the lucrative 1 penny gumball business. Think of all those units sold, I wonder why everyone isn't flocking to that lucrative industry to rack up units in the bank.
JimB:
It's not what I want, take and prefer: It's the vacuum industry's standard of measure for sales each year that counts. And that's unit sales not dollar volume of sales. Why? I said this before but obviously when you, as an industry insider, draw vacuum sales comparisons to candy gum balls, it needs to be repeated. The prices of vacuums vary based on brand name, model type, and retailer. The only valid measure of independent and valid comparison across such industry variables is unit sales. Unit sales have been the gauge of yearly vacuum sales since the vacuum industry was founded and it is still today.
Dyson uses dollar volume for the 'wow' and 'finagle' factors. Like using .5 MILLION instead of $500,000. Wow factor. Get's people's attention. NPD is an excellent example. 3 months worth of meaningless vacuum percentage data based on who knows what and how.
NPD and USA Today insult readers intelligence when they report these number data. It is self-serving and brand biased to show the highest priced big box bagless brand in a favorable light.
In reality, dyson sales peaked in 2004 in the USA with .9 MILLION unit sales and the UK with 43 percent of market share in units. Dyson lost market share in unit sales in the USA and UK vacuum markets in 2005, 2006 and to date in 2007. By using dollar volume, and increasing retail prices, the financial results hide the fact that dyson sales are declining. That's the reason dyson clumps the last 3 years worth of unit sales data together rather than breaking it down by year. IMHO.
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07/08/07 at 11:08pm
Quote from Carmine_Difazio
on 07/08/07 at 5:53pm:
Hello HARDSELL:
And I would say annual units sold consistently year after year are, if not and indicator of quality, at least and indicator of customers' satisfaction in performance, price, and product brand. Gee, that sounds oddly the same as "quality."
Carmine D.
Twisting again Carmine. Buying inexpensive goods is not necessarily an indicator of quality or satisfactiion. It is simply buying what one can afford or prefers to spend.
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Reply #168 -
07/09/07 at 7:33am
Quote from HARDSELL
on 07/08/07 at 11:08pm:
Quote from Carmine_Difazio
on 07/08/07 at 5:53pm:
Hello HARDSELL:
And I would say annual units sold consistently year after year are, if not and indicator of quality, at least and indicator of customers' satisfaction in performance, price, and product brand. Gee, that sounds oddly the same as "quality."
Carmine D.
Twisting again Carmine. Buying inexpensive goods is not necessarily an indicator of quality or satisfactiion. It is simply buying what one can afford or prefers to spend.
HARDSELL:
Not necessarily so. USA consumers are savvy. If they buy a lemon, regardless of price, they don't again. And if they buy a quality product that satisfies them, at whatever the price, they do so again. The HOOVER TEMPO is an excellent vacuum example. It's a quality product and performer for $60. And vacuum consumers buy and like them. Check the side trailer here on WTBV. HOOVER Tempo is rated NUMBER ONE by users with a 100 percent rating (higher than dyson which is 8X the price).
The same HOOVER TEMPO is rated in the top 10 year after year by Consumer Reports.
And rated best buy by Amazon and a variety of other large Web site retailers. Why? Price and performance. Customer satisfaction. Dare I say quality? What word is better to use?
RCWilley, supposedly the largest retailer in the Southwest for furniture, appliances, rugs, and electronics, is offering a promotion now for a free HOOVER Tempo giveaway with a carpet purchase of $999.
IN fact in a special edition color: Red.
And we've had quite a few buyers here say they bought the HOOVER Tempo over other brands despite the price. The vacuum would easily sell as well for $100 or more. But costs only $60, sometimes less on sale. Why do I say this? It proves my point. High price is no more an indicator of quality than low price is of junk. Unless of course you are a Japanese consumer. They tend to think this way. Any wonder dyson loves to sell in Japan and does so well there!
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Re: Dyson Videos/Articles - for Dyson HATERS only
Reply #169 -
07/10/07 at 11:00pm
One reason that other companies can sell their vacuums so much cheaper than Dyson is that they know that they will have a steady income stream from the sale of filters, bags, and belts.
Dyson's owners will pay in larger chunks - initial cost, spare filters, possible clutch assembly failures, etc.
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