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Re: The Vacuum Cleaner Test
Reply #10 - 10/09/06 at 2:14pm

Hrm, it's a tough one to call. It could a be reasonably well done amateur job or it could be a downgraded commission by way of Dyson's agency, a double bluff if you will.

Ford did a viral advert like this a few years back and although they admitted to making it, they insisted that it was never meant to have been shown, that it was leaked by someone.

http://snipurl.com/ykeo

But who's to tell? With this Dyson-example, it could very very difficult to establish where it came from. Maybe a competitor could ask the host to remove it, but I'd imagine they wouldn't take any action. At the end of the day, from their point of view, it's a user filmed video comparing vacuum cleaner suction.

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Re: The Vacuum Cleaner Test
Reply #11 - 10/09/06 at 7:43pm

As far as clogging goes, this test uses a pretty unrealistic amount of dirt. Even with a packed full bag, I can guarantee that none of my vacuums will have that much of that fine of dust. If anything there will be more pet hair and lint taking up the room than the fine dust. I still believe that both agitation and high airflow are needed for a true deep cleaning. It has been said here by the Dyson experts that the Dyson has around 80-90 CFM, and most of us are familiar with the brushroll by now. Now look at something like a Riccar or Miele, the higher end models typically have in the range of 120-150 CFM, and more aggressive brushrolls. I also still strongly believe that if changed when 1/2 to 2/3 full, a better quality multi-layered bag will maintain more than enough of the vacuum's original airflow to clean effectively.

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Re: The Vacuum Cleaner Test
Reply #12 - 10/09/06 at 8:05pm

Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 10/09/06 at 9:55am:

Quote from JimB on 10/09/06 at 9:18am:

I believe very soon dyson will be offering an excellent choice for those who prefer the more aggressive brushbar and some here will have to completely rework how they address the product.

Perhaps as a direct result of comments and concerns expressed by industry professionals to dyson in writing about its shortcomings in brush nozzle and brushbar designs. Accepting relevant criticism and profiting by it indicates a company's commitment and professionalism to the industry.

The DC15 Ball, which introed after dyson was in the USA vacuum market for 3 years (April 2005), attempts to address the brushbar design deficiencies of the DC07 and DC14. But it did not go far enough (IMHO). It's now been 4 years since dyson entered the USA market. This is certainly enough time to redesign, test, and launch vacuums that are indeed capable to meet the written dyson claim that dyson picks up excellently on ALL carpets.

Carmine D.

Right on. In 4 years Dyson should have been able to introduce at least two poor performers per year like Hoover.

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Re: The Vacuum Cleaner Test
Reply #13 - 10/10/06 at 3:56am

I had a chance to see this piece yesterday. You can see that it cannot be classified as an experiment, but a commercial for dyson. If I did not know better, I could swear it was done by someone who has visited our forum. Amazing their choices for the competition and the Infinity just came out.

There is more potential of lawsuits w/ this youtube.com clip. This can be especially true as this site becomes more popular and more commercialized. Today, Google purchased Youtube.com. I heard that in one month there are approx. 100million visitors to the site.

So, since the vacuum cleaner cannot pick up a steel ball, it cannot pick up grans of dirt(that weighs quite a bit less)?

The "test dirt" is not real world dirt. There are alot of different material that gets collected in the dirt container/bag. There is skin flakes, food particles, dust, mite droppings/body parts, hair, etc. All it shows is which vacuum cleaner is going to decrease suction when "test dirt" has filled the bin/bag and not which vacuum cleaner is going to pick up regular debris from carpeting.

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Re: The Vacuum Cleaner Test
Reply #14 - 10/10/06 at 5:28am

Quote from Mike_W. on 10/10/06 at 3:56am:

I had a chance to see this piece yesterday. You can see that it cannot be classified as an experiment, but a commercial for dyson. If I did not know better, I could swear it was done by someone who has visited our forum. Amazing their choices for the competition and the Infinity just came out.

I also wondered the same thing, but then thought "who would have ever wanted to make a commercial last that long"???

Unless it was to be used as one of the "in-store" tape demo's like at Bed Bath and Beyond...

I also think the tape may have been made in Canada, since the Shark Infinity they show is purple, which is the Color for the Canadian model....

Dan P.

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Dyson DC18 Senior Member Dyson DC18 Coming Soon Posts: 224	Re: The Vacuum Cleaner Test Reply #15 - 10/10/06 at 8:46am That should have read: Thanks for finding the error Carmine.... Check this test out. Very interesting..... Who really has the most power? Dyson DC14 All Floors Hoover Wind Tunnel 2 Shark Infinity Kenmore Progressive with Direct Drive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2hAiKmkeoc
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Re: The Vacuum Cleaner Test
Reply #16 - 10/10/06 at 8:53am

Quote from M00seUK on 10/09/06 at 2:14pm:

Hrm, it's a tough one to call. It could a be reasonably well done amateur job or it could be a downgraded commission by way of Dyson's agency, a double bluff if you will.

Ford did a viral advert like this a few years back and although they admitted to making it, they insisted that it was never meant to have been shown, that it was leaked by someone.

http://snipurl.com/ykeo

But who's to tell? With this Dyson-example, it could very very difficult to establish where it came from. Maybe a competitor could ask the host to remove it, but I'd imagine they wouldn't take any action. At the end of the day, from their point of view, it's a user filmed video comparing vacuum cleaner suction.

M00seUK, Mike W:

I think you are both right. Dyson is aware of the commercial and may have sanctioned. Let the vacuum video play to the end and watch the other videos that come up. They are videos for dyson products.

Some interesting facts about YouTube. Most videos are homemade BUT the site features volumes of copyrighted material which is a problem that caused some critics to predict will sue the startup (NINE MONTHS OLD) into oblivion, much like the once-popular music sharing Napster. YouTube has not turned a profit in 9 months, no cash was exchanged, ONLY stock for $1.65 BILLION. Google stock jumped $9 to $429 per share.

A Wall Street Journal article today says YouTube is a nineteen (19) month old startup company. Today's Las Vegas newspaper said 9 months and is the source of my above information.

Carmine D.

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Re: The Vacuum Cleaner Test
Reply #17 - 10/10/06 at 2:20pm

I saw this 8 ball pick up tube back in the early 80's, an old electrolux trick, now they use the 4 ball tube,1205 and golden J's used the 3 ball tube.

The only real worth of this test was to see if the hoses were pourous,

try this test with a 3 or 4 year old hose.

tricks to dazzle the audience, dysons only about 45 years behind the times.

my dogs better than your dog remember that kennalration skit

B.T.W. notice how the vid shows 2 or 3 ball in the tube already.
why do you think that is ?

ROOKIES, creative advertising,he,he,he,

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Re: The Vacuum Cleaner Test
Reply #18 - 10/11/06 at 11:47am

Quote from D.E.P. on 10/10/06 at 5:28am:

Quote from Mike_W. on 10/10/06 at 3:56am:

I had a chance to see this piece yesterday. You can see that it cannot be classified as an experiment, but a commercial for dyson. If I did not know better, I could swear it was done by someone who has visited our forum. Amazing their choices for the competition and the Infinity just came out.

I also wondered the same thing, but then thought "who would have ever wanted to make a commercial last that long"???

Unless it was to be used as one of the "in-store" tape demo's like at Bed Bath and Beyond...

I also think the tape may have been made in Canada, since the Shark Infinity they show is purple, which is the Color for the Canadian model....

Dan P.

We are accustomed to viewing television commercials that last under a minute unless it is an infommercial. A company can chop up a commercial and make it fit into a time limit. It is common practice today. I can recall a Shout commercial where they have since taken some of the content out. My original point is that this youtube.com piece is not a credible experiment, but could be a commercial instead.

As for Infinity being Canadian, yes it is. The Kenmore Progressive is not.

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Dyson DC18 Senior Member Dyson DC18 Coming Soon Posts: 224	Re: The Vacuum Cleaner Test Reply #19 - 10/16/06 at 6:08pm The video was removed. I wonder why.....
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