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The Vacuum Cleaner Test
10/08/06 at 6:47pm
 
Check this test out. Very interesting.....
 
Who really has the most power?
 
Dyson DC07 All Floors
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2hAiKmkeoc
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Reply #1 - 10/08/06 at 8:39pm
 
Looking at your site it is a bunch of amatuers putting on a show. I will not say what I saw was fact or not. There is always a chance of lawsuit by the different companies shown. In ads put on by different manufactures the name of the company is blocked out. At the end where it looks like an ad by Dyson you don't have where Dyson is a registered trademark. All of the companies involved can be part of a very bad lawsuit. I hope the maker of the piece well.
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Reply #2 - 10/08/06 at 8:46pm
 
The video says dyson Ball video (DC15) but the dyson used in the video is a DC14.  Technical discrepancy?  
 
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Reply #3 - 10/08/06 at 9:06pm
 
Hi Chris,
 
Thanks, the demo film was nice.  I once was curious and set the top half of my Hoover Lark stick vac on my kitchen counter and turned it on.  Couldn't budge it while it ran.  Holy, suction cups, it had only a three-hundred or so watt motor.  Despite my "test", it still remained average all around when it came to regular use.
 
Unfortunately, the ball lift thing is not an issue for me -- though I feel the Kenmore made a nice showing.  I'm inundated with this kind of thing every day one way or another.  Even Oreck has lifted a bowling with its teeny portable canister vacuum.  What I'm interested in is how well a vacuum performs under regular conditions.  I am interested in how well a vacuum can suck up surface litter and dislodge deep dirt in carpeting as well as expedite the removal of dirt and debris off bare floors and above the floor.  I'd be far more more imressed f they put a pound of powder in each machine and then ran them over a dirty rug or performed other usual tasks I'd be far more impressed by the results to come from whatever brand.
 
Dyson has a rep, at least per CR, for not stellar performance in regard to deep cleaning rugs.  I, along with others, attribute this mainly to the design of the brush roll and don't understand why they don't just work on that instead of trying to impress consumers with "magic".  The new DC18, has two height adjustments I've learned and a different nozzle design.  I'm hoping that means that Dyson's considering some new approaches to real problems.
 
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Reply #4 - 10/09/06 at 1:06am
 
I believe by calling it the Dyson ball video, they were referring to the steel balls used in the demo.  Nothing there really shocked me too much, but I would be curious what some of the other high end vacuums would do with the test.  This reminds me of the Electrolux demo using the same steel balls, but more of them.
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Reply #5 - 10/09/06 at 9:09am
 
Looks straight forward with no tricks as it really is just a version of a straight hose suction test.  You would get the same results measuring the airflow's of these machines with a meter after sucking in of the testing material, it just would not seem as dramatic as a visual to a layman.   Also please notice the are using large metal "ball" bearings thus the "ball" video it never states dc15 anywhere in this video.  Technical discrepency or just another plain silly anti dyson attack?
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Reply #6 - 10/09/06 at 9:18am
 
Venson,
  Up to now dyson seems to have been somehow committed to going with strong suction backed by mild brushbar agitation.  I personally think they held on to long in trying to convince people that the aggressive brushrolls do to much long term damage to carpeting.  I believe very soon dyson will be offering an excellent choice for those who prefer the more aggressive brushbar and some here will have to completely rework how they address the product.
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Reply #7 - 10/09/06 at 9:55am
 
Quote from JimB on 10/09/06 at 9:18am:
 I believe very soon dyson will be offering an excellent choice for those who prefer the more aggressive brushbar and some here will have to completely rework how they address the product.

 
Perhaps as a direct result of comments and concerns expressed by industry professionals to dyson in writing about its shortcomings in brush nozzle and brushbar designs.  Accepting relevant criticism and profiting by it indicates a company's commitment and professionalism to the industry.
 
The DC15 Ball, which introed after dyson was in the USA vacuum market for 3 years (April 2005), attempts to address the brushbar design deficiencies of the DC07 and DC14.  But it did not go far enough (IMHO).  It's now been 4 years since dyson entered the USA market.  This is certainly enough time to redesign, test, and launch vacuums that are indeed capable to meet the written dyson claim that dyson picks up excellently on ALL carpets.
 
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Reply #8 - 10/09/06 at 12:24pm
 
Personally, I've always thought the brush bar design of the DC07/DC14 was perfectly acceptable.  Given that it was designed to do TWO things (and not just ONE).  Those two ideals are:  agitate and groom a carpet effectively and gently, and TWO: allow excellent bare floor pickup by NOT taking up all the room in the brush housing - allowing for debris from a bare floor to NOT stick to the brushes.
 
Let's look at how some other manufacturers do this: The Hoover Windtunnel V2 for example.  Four rows of 'aggressive' brushes - tons of repair problems with the brush drive - HORRIBLE bare floor cleaning (almost non existent).
 
Then we have Bissell: brush takes up most of the room in the nozzle housing ("industry standard" size as Carmin would say) yet it doesn't clean the carpet as well as Dyson and does NO bare floor cleaning since the brush cannot stop to pick up debris.  It turns constantly, even when using attachments.
 
Next we come to the Windtunnel (self propelled) which Carmin would call the "number one vacuum".  Well, the double belt drive system is terrible. Any vac shop guy could tell you about all the "V" belts we sell, not to mention the melted plastic brush roller (at the "V" belt drive groove).  Good for bare floors?  Not.  Brush is too big.  Spilled chips stick in the brushes, rather than get sucked up. They fall out when you turn the machine off. Same with cat litter on a bare floor.  Sticks to the brushes rather than passes through.
 
I don't for one minute believe that the Dyson brush roller fails to clean the carpet well.  It raises the nap perfectly and the tremendous CONSTANT suction cleans deeply.
 
DC07's problem on Frieze rugs is simply due to the high seal the nozzle has to the carpet.  DC14 has no such problem, since the soleplate has an opening called the 'large debris pick up channel' which prevents the soleplate from sealing to the carpet.  Personally, I don't like it.  Not enough suction at the carpet level. Prefer the DC07's high vacuum seal to the rug.  But to each his own (and his own rug).
 
DC17 Absolute, designed specifically for American rugs, will be the ultimate Dyson.  There will be a REAL reason for a present DC07 owner to trade up to the new model.  I'm sure we'll have lots of used DC07's soon enough.  Just like when Hoover came out with the beater bar brush on the model 700.  People with Hoover 105's and 541's had a REAL reason to trade up.  
 
The only way the steel ball test would actually tell us something is: if they showed the test both before and after 8 ounces of bar-b-que pit ashes were sucked up.  The machine with enough airflow to continue to hold 5 steel balls would be the one that didn't clog.  No matter how good the brush roller, if the machine is clogged, no cleaning can take place.
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Reply #9 - 10/09/06 at 1:19pm
 
Quote from vacuuman on 10/09/06 at 1:06am:
I believe by calling it the Dyson ball video, they were referring to the steel balls used in the demo.  

 
Good point.  IMHO dyson would not use the title of the video for concern that it would be confused with the DC15 Ball.  Just as Tiger says it's probably not dyson sanctioned and amaturish.
 
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