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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #50 - 03/17/07 at 8:40am
 
Quote from old-timer on 03/16/07 at 10:26am:



how many 40 year old dysons you see?

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When was the last time that you saw a 40 year old Chevy Cobalt ?
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Reply #51 - 03/17/07 at 6:59pm
 
I am not saying how many of anything at any age do you see.  
  My observation is the bagless vacuum Dyson and all are not the type of cleaners needed. It is what they asked for thru the years. These machines have one big flaw. They are not easy for the consumer to maintain.
  Bagged vacuums is what the  consumer understand and like. Take the bag out and replace and run. Bagless are clean and empty but remember to clean the filters, replace filters, and don't get the dirt in your face. If you forget to clean or change the filter shame on you. Service or replace.  
  It is the vacuum cleaner independent that will care for the people, not the big box stores. They(BBS) don't repair or know how to teach the consumer. Grab and Go is all they care about. Get your money and bye bye until you need another one.  
  Dyson may have some good ideas but until the consumer is taught and can understand how to maintain their machine it will be a hard road to take and keep their reputation.
  Bagless will be here for awhile but not as a dominating force in a few short years.  
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Reply #52 - 03/17/07 at 9:36pm
 
Quote from tiger21 on 03/17/07 at 6:59pm:
I am not saying how many of anything at any age do you see.
 My observation is the bagless vacuum Dyson and all are not the type of cleaners needed. It is what they asked for thru the years. These machines have one big flaw. They are not easy for the consumer to maintain.
 Bagged vacuums is what the  consumer understand and like. Take the bag out and replace and run. Bagless are clean and empty but remember to clean the filters, replace filters, and don't get the dirt in your face. If you forget to clean or change the filter shame on you. Service or replace.
 It is the vacuum cleaner independent that will care for the people, not the big box stores. They(BBS) don't repair or know how to teach the consumer. Grab and Go is all they care about. Get your money and bye bye until you need another one.
 Dyson may have some good ideas but until the consumer is taught and can understand how to maintain their machine it will be a hard road to take and keep their reputation.
 Bagless will be here for awhile but not as a dominating force in a few short years.
 

 
What you say may be truthful about most bagless vacs, however I notice that you singled out Dyson.  They require less maintenance thatn the other bagless so you used a poor comparision. A quality bagged vacuum also has filters that must be cleaned/replaced, oh and remember the belts that need to be replaced on a regular schedule.  Of course this is added money to the vac shop so they fail to tell you this.
 
Vacuum maintenance is not rocket science as you want others to think.  Most comsumers today are not interested in maintenance.  The only vacuum maintenance that I have paid for in nearly 40 years of marriage is brushes in a Rainbow motor.  THis was at the rainbow dealer.  The Panasonic/Hoover shop tried to sell me a new motor or possibly a new vac.  Yes, those independents are real honest men.
 
BTW, you will not see a 40 year Cobalt for about 38 more years.  Like Dyson,  they have not been on the market for 40 years.  Who wants to use a 40 year old vac anyway?  I do not think they were designed fot modern carpet.
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Reply #53 - 03/18/07 at 4:36am
 
Hello,
 
I just purchased a Dyson DC21 Stowaway and here are a couple observations thus far.  I am not a vacuum pro but will do my best to describe…
 
 
The canister is the DC08 but with DC14/15’s cyclones.  Bin and cyclone maybe weighing about 1/4lb less than the DC08’s cyclones.
 
Believe it or not.  The hose does not disconnect from the wand.
 
Turns like the DC15 Ball.  Much lighter feel though.
 
Hose does not swivel at wand like most other Dyson canisters.  Therefore when turning wand one must turn and lift hose up and off the ground, making what supposed to be a cool invention - a Ball on the wand - feel heavy.  Even vacuuming using the hard surface brush was tiring.
 
Canisters overall size is aprox. 15-20 percent larger than my DC05.
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Reply #54 - 03/18/07 at 4:51am
 
Quote from HARDSELL on 03/17/07 at 8:40am:
Quote from old-timer on 03/16/07 at 10:26am:



how many 40 year old dysons you see?

 O.T.


When was the last time that you saw a 40 year old Chevy Cobalt ?

 
 
 
Dyson has only been in business for himself for about 12 years or so.  But anyone can view a Japanese vac that used Dyson's lisensed technology.  Selling for about $2000 (If my memory serves me I think this was the price).  Advertised as "still working" yr. 1985.
 
http://www.bathhouse-restoration.com/Products/index.aspx?pID=393
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Reply #55 - 03/18/07 at 8:31am
 
Quote from tiger21 on 03/17/07 at 6:59pm:
  Dyson may have some good ideas but until the consumer is taught and can understand how to maintain their machine it will be a hard road to take and keep their reputation.
 Bagless will be here for awhile but not as a dominating force in a few short years.
 

 
Hello Tiger21:
 
I agree.  My sense is Consumer Reports will address the concern (need for consumer education on bagless vacuums) in upcoming issues about bagless vacuum products, especially dyson because it is the most expensive on the market.
 
The "junked" dysons that I see now only 2-3-4 years old are probably the result of consumers NOT performing the required maintenance on the filters and product neglect and abuse.  Like consistently overfilling the dirt bin before dumping.  What is the percentage?  Hard to say.  But education and an informed consumer are the critical components to a bagless vacuum's longevity.  Especially dyson which is the most expensive bagless and sold primarily through the big box US retailers.  Their sales staffs don't have the knowledge to do the correct product education.  And unfortunately the bagless vacuum makers, dyson included, and the big box sellers push bagless vacuums to the uninformed public with the opposite approach: Claiming the vacuums are maintenance free.  They aren't.  Bagless require much more attention to maintenance than bagged vacuums.  
 
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Reply #56 - 03/18/07 at 8:44am
 
Quote from No Loss of Suction on 03/18/07 at 4:36am:
Hello,

I just purchased a Dyson DC21 Stowaway and here are a couple observations thus far.  I am not a vacuum pro but will do my best to describe…


The canister is the DC08 but with DC14/15’s cyclones.  Bin and cyclone maybe weighing about 1/4lb less than the DC08’s cyclones.

Believe it or not.  The hose does not disconnect from the wand.

Turns like the DC15 Ball.  Much lighter feel though.

Hose does not swivel at wand like most other Dyson canisters.  Therefore when turning wand one must turn and lift hose up and off the ground, making what supposed to be a cool invention - a Ball on the wand - feel heavy.  Even vacuuming using the hard surface brush was tiring.

Canisters overall size is aprox. 15-20 percent larger than my DC05.

 
 
Do you mind telling us how it vacuumed? Did you ever had a chance to use the DC11? Can you compare to two for us....
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Reply #57 - 03/18/07 at 8:47am
 
Quote from HARDSELL on 03/17/07 at 9:36pm:

 
Most comsumers today are not interested in maintenance.  The only vacuum maintenance that I have paid for in nearly 40 years of marriage is brushes in a Rainbow motor.  

 
Hello HARDSELL:
 
I agree.  And one of the reasons education for bagless vacuums' maintenance is so important.  Especially for dyson if it is in it for the long haul.
 
Rexair/Rainbow is THE most high maintenance vacuum ever made and sold in the USA, bar none including bagged vacuums.  Most RB buyers do not know and are not properly educated to the need for after use maintenance to keep them working properly for many years.  
 
By the time they find out, it's too late.  And due their cost ($2000) the vacuums end up sitting unused in the closet for 40 years.  RB users buy another vacuum for daily use: Usually an upright.  It's lack of use that gives RB its longevity (IMHO).  Most users don't want to perform the necessary clean up of RB vacuums after they use them.  So RB usage is low.
 
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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #58 - 03/18/07 at 11:40am
 

 
On the other hand if the vacuum purchase is purely for aesthetic reasons, and it will be a display for conversation....then performance is irrelevant.  But there will always be another one, be patient.  
 
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 Give it 6 months and watch for falling prices. They might as well put it in wal-mart now....................
 
 
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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #59 - 03/18/07 at 11:47am
 

 
 
 
When was the last time that you saw a 40 year old Chevy Cobalt ? [/quote]
 
 
WHATS A 69 Z-28 ,302 crossram car worth.  
 
 The point i'm trying to get across is that for the asking prices[Your favorite brand]. The customer will never get his moneys worth.It's the best 89.95 vacuum in the world.........
 
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