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Dyson's The Ball (DC15) (Read 25954 times)
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #670 -
07/31/06 at 2:44am
Old Timer,
Sounds to me like you hit the nail right on the head.
What I find amusing about most of the brands out there, that offer both a domestic and a commercial vacuum, is aparently all that s required to convert a vacuum from domestic use to comercial use, is a longer, and generally orange, grounded cord.
Oh and of corse a Heavy Duty sticker.
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
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07/31/06 at 10:45am
Moot most certainly does not mean an issue that is already decided. That is Res Judacata. Nor does it mean a question that the question is not of practical importance. The correct definition of Moot is "..an abstarct question that does not arise upon existing facts or rights." Adams v. Union R. Co., 21 R.I. 134, 42 A. 515, 44 L.R.A. 273.
Thus it is a question that, while it may be interesting, does not need to be decided to settle a matter before the court. The question may indeed be very interesting. It may come up in a future case. It may even urgently need to be decided as a matter of public policy. But, it doesn't need to be decided in order to reach a ruling on the specific case in front of the cout. Thus the court avoids aruling on the issue by declaring it moot.
If you are going to use words, know what they mean.
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07/31/06 at 11:04am
Quote from vac repair guy
on 07/30/06 at 4:15pm:
As far as using any Dyson for commercial use, other than maybe a couple of entry rugs,
I wouldn't recommend them.
the wheels are to easily locked up with sand,(if you own one look at the miniscule gap between the wheel and the housing, even a piece of sand is sufficient to stop it from turning) and before you know it there worn flat,
leaving the base to be ground down.
Vac repair guy, I do use Dyson's commercially, and they have performed well for me. My one complaint, which I have posted here several times, is exactly what you mention above - the sole-plate rollers are a joke, and they quickly jam up, and then begin to roll flat. When I just maintained two of them, we went ahead and replaced the sole-plate rollers,but even though they were inexpensive, I'm not sure it was worth doing because they will no doubt stick again soon.
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07/31/06 at 11:13am
Quote from cprohman
on 07/31/06 at 10:45am:
If you are going to use words, know what they mean.
CPro:
Excellent advice. As you know many words in the English language have multiple meanings. There are the official dictionary definitions and the vernacular. And of course there are words that are specific to an industry, like bojack and the vacuum industry. The word was coined and used in the industry long before it saw the covers of Webster. But this is a moot issue now.
Carmine D.
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07/31/06 at 11:16am
Quote from cprohman
on 07/31/06 at 11:04am:
Quote from vac repair guy
on 07/30/06 at 4:15pm:
As far as using any Dyson for commercial use, other than maybe a couple of entry rugs,
I wouldn't recommend them.
the wheels are to easily locked up with sand,(if you own one look at the miniscule gap between the wheel and the housing, even a piece of sand is sufficient to stop it from turning) and before you know it there worn flat,
leaving the base to be ground down.
Vac repair guy, I do use Dyson's commercially, and they have performed well for me. My one complaint, which I have posted here several times, is exactly what you mention above - the sole-plate rollers are a joke, and they quickly jam up, and then begin to roll flat. When I just maintained two of them, we went ahead and replaced the sole-plate rollers,but even though they were inexpensive, I'm not sure it was worth doing because they will no doubt stick again soon.
On thick carpets the dyson sole-plate and roller inadequacies would be a definite dyson drawback. I believe this is exactly vac repair guy's point. The dyson rug nozzle gets entrenched into the rug pile which makes it hard to maneuver across the carpets, makes the motor and vacuum run hot, degrades motor operation, warps plastic tolerances due to excessive heat buildup which in turn spews more dirt into the air and wears the vacuum and user out prematurely. Although the failsafe clutch prevents use under some of these conditions, users don't have any options to resolve the inadequacies. Not a moot point either for a premium priced vacuum. The inadequacy impugns dyson's performance and RELIABILITY.
A manual rug height adustment would better serve the dyson vacuums which are sold by big box retailers for premium high prices. The premium high prices are supposedly justified based on the fact that the dyson uprights are designed to perform and operate well on ALL USA household carpets.
Carmine D.
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
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07/31/06 at 12:47pm
I don't think the sole-plate rollers would be as prone to clogging on a high-pile carpet as they are on commercial carpet.
As regards his other point, that the soleplate would wear though, we haven't seen that. Even though we have used these commercially now for 3 1/2 years, and even though the sole-plate rollers clogged fairly early on, I personally inspected the soleplates, and they aren't likely to wear through any time soon. When the vacuums ultimately die, I doubt that a soleplate failure will be the cause.
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07/31/06 at 5:08pm
Most all lawn mowers hava a plastic shroud covering the engine, including the muffler. It does not warp or get brittle and crack. I can touch my Dyson while vacuuming and it is not even warm. My lawn mower on the other hand will blister your hand if you touch the muffler shortly after starting the engine. Those who create enough friction to destroy the plastic on the Dyson must vacuum at warp speed.
Come on guys. If you want to critize Dyson find a good reason.
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #677 -
07/31/06 at 5:09pm
Quote from Carmine_Difazio
on 07/31/06 at 11:13am:
Quote from cprohman
on 07/31/06 at 10:45am:
If you are going to use words, know what they mean.
CPro:
Excellent advice. As you know many words in the English language have multiple meanings. There are the official dictionary definitions and the vernacular. And of course there are words that are specific to an industry, like bojack and the vacuum industry. The word was coined and used in the industry long before it saw the covers of Webster. But this is a moot issue now.
Carmine D.
I did not realize that the vacuum industry existed prior to the dictionary.
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #678 -
07/31/06 at 5:55pm
In 2 years repairing dyson I have not seen one example of this issue in the real world.
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07/31/06 at 6:58pm
]Most all lawn mowers hava a plastic shroud covering the engine, including the muffler. It does not warp or get brittle and crack. I can touch my Dyson while vacuuming and it is not even warm. My lawn mower on the other hand will blister your hand if you touch the muffler shortly after starting the engine. Those who create enough friction to destroy the plastic on the Dyson must vacuum at warp speed.
Come on guys. If you want to critize Dyson find a good reason. [/quote]
Hi Hardsell, The engine in your lawnmower is an internal conbustion engine, that fires an air/fuel mixture. some 2 stroke some 4 stroke,cylender head temperatures are very high,unlike a vacuum cleaner motor,which is air cooled in most cases,When air flow is impeaded the motors run hot,[thermal protectors].
Here is a hint for you, ask any engine builder does methonal [I.E. alcohol] run at cooler temperatures than gasoline.Of course nitro methane is another story all together, remember the N.H.R.A. ban on NITRO. You are comparing totally different animals
regards.
O.T.
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