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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #580 - 03/13/06 at 9:35am
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio   on 03/12/06 at 3:47am:



... the DC15 Ball All Floors and Animal dropped $100 in October 2005.  As was pointed out by Jim B on another thread, this price drop forced the DC14 Animal into the premium dyson product position in the USA lineup.  Not by dyson choice but by circumstances and events.  ."

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To correct some of these erroneous claims.  I never claimed to know dysons strategy on the Ball or dyson product positioning strategy.  I only gave a possible strategy.  Either way the fact is (true for both before and after the Ball price drop) that dc 15 gave the dyson consumer more choice (good for the consumer), raised average vacuum price (good for the industry), and brought  the dyson top selling machine from the 07 animal to the 14 animal (good for dyson).  
 
I know some here seem to come from the hoover spin and company line of driving average price points down is a true sign of success and companies that drive price points up are somehow failing.
 
I still can not comprehend a vac shop diehard ripping a company bringing more consumers to the higher price point that can open eyes to quality machines while singing the praises of the hoover fusion.  It must have become personal at some point because it certainly does not make sense.
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #581 - 03/13/06 at 9:45am
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio   on 03/12/06 at 3:47am:


 This was the strategy with the launch of the DC15 in the USA in April 2005.  What happened?  The strategy "planned" did not become the strategy "accomplished."
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Paint me surprised that dyson management shared their internal product line strategies with you.  Did you fit this meeting in before or after sitting in on the hoover litigation legal team meatings?  Wink
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Reply #582 - 03/13/06 at 1:05pm
 
Quote from JimB   on 03/13/06 at 9:45am:


Paint me surprised that dyson management shared their internal product line strategies with you.  Did you fit this meeting in before or after sitting in on the hoover litigation legal team meatings?  Wink

 
Neither, just astute vacuum industry research and review.  I do like the spins that you spin on the Forum about dyson.  I anxiously await the explanation of the 20 percent discounts on dyson products in violation of dyson MAP by some retailers with no consequences while holding other retailers to it at the risk of pulling dyson out.  
 
You equate high dyson product pricing with high quality and vacuum cleaner stores' desirability.   What is the evidence for both these conclusions?  
 
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #583 - 03/13/06 at 1:30pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio   on 03/13/06 at 1:05pm:




You equate high dyson product pricing with high quality and vacuum cleaner stores' desirability.   What is the evidence for both these conclusions?  

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Come on put that Ivy league education to work.  Average price points of vacuums going up is a good thing for vacuum cleaner stores.   Which consumer do you want coming in the door (no matter what you are selling in the store) someone who has committed in their mind to buy a $70 machine or one that is committed in their mind already on a price range closer to $500?  Up to this point you seem to be pointing this consumer to the $120 machine at Walmart, and I can't settle that this is a vac shop supporter positioning seems more like the hoover corporate line.
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #584 - 03/13/06 at 3:59pm
 
The thing that's REALLY CRAZY (as in 'insane') is that anyone believes anything Carmin says.  He is NOT a 'consultant' to the 'vacuum industry'.  What a hoot. He really has you guys believing his line of B.S.  He's nothing more than an old, failed businessman, wasting his last few hours upon this earth typing into this forum, making people believe he is something he is NOT.
 
Dyson has NOT discontinued the DC07.  The big box stores have stopped carrying it in favor of the higher priced DC14 and DC15 models.  The DC07 currently is the model favored by independent dealers (vac shops) who carry Dyson, as the shops make the SAME profit selling the lower priced DC07 as they would selling the higher priced DC14 models.   Together with Dyson's promotional pricing for dealers, the DC07 (Full Kit, All Floors, Animal, etc.) is a very good deal, both for consumers and dealers alike.
 
I can just picture the little veins popping out of Carmin's head as he reads this.  The grave is yawning before him and he better watch out, heart attacks are very common for men at his ADVANCED age.
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Reply #585 - 03/13/06 at 4:18pm
 
Quote from dualcyclone   on 03/13/06 at 3:59pm:
The thing that's REALLY CRAZY (as in 'insane') is that anyone believes anything Carmin says.  He is NOT a 'consultant' to the 'vacuum industry'.  What a hoot. He really has you guys believing his line of B.S.  He's nothing more than an old, failed businessman, wasting his last few hours upon this earth typing into this forum, making people believe he is something he is NOT.

I never have believed his premise of being a consultant. A professional consultant woud not continuously bash a product that has proven itself better over a cheap and junky hoover. He even touts the Oreck as deep cleaning better than a Dyson, which is a complete lie. Anyone with a lick of common sense knows better!
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #586 - 03/13/06 at 6:01pm
 
Confronted with the facts and asked to expalin, the dyson clan obfuscates and gets personal by attacking my integrity and professionalism.  Whose name calling  and character bashing now?  You can't win with the facts digress with the insults.  
 
The facts are incontravertible: Dyson's failure to take action against several retailers who consistently violate dyson MAP by advertising 20 percent off dyson products.  MAP is 10 percent.  Yet on the same hand they claim dyson pulled out of a retailer for a 15 percent MAP violation.  
 
And the DC15 marketing strategy failed miserably and quickly.  Who ever heard of a vacuum maker reducing prices by $100 on its premier hyped model (the greater dyson we were told imitating HOOVER's trademark slogan) five short months into the market?  
 
All the diversion and subterfuge you want to use doesn't change the facts.   The DC15 Ball is headed into vacuum oblivion.  The ball is counting down.
 
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #587 - 03/13/06 at 6:18pm
 
Blah Blah Blah Blah.... same line Carmine. It's getting old.
 
We'll have to see how soon hoover drops the price of their pathetic premier vacuum... if it even remains on the market long enough. They certainly ain't sellin' cause you can now find them at every turn and corner including Ebay! Hoover is apparently becoming desperate to make sales on this insult of a vacuum.
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #588 - 03/13/06 at 7:43pm
 
Quote from dualcyclone   on 03/13/06 at 3:59pm:

Dyson has NOT discontinued the DC07.  The big box stores have stopped carrying it in favor of the higher priced DC14 and DC15 models.  The DC07 currently is the model favored by independent dealers (vac shops) who carry Dyson, as the shops make the SAME profit selling the lower priced DC07 as they would selling the higher priced DC14 models.   Together with Dyson's promotional pricing for dealers, the DC07 (Full Kit, All Floors, Animal, etc.) is a very good deal, both for consumers and dealers alike.


 
Dual:
 
On several occasions on this Forum Matt mmc agreed with me when I rated the DC14 All Floors a better product for the money than the DC07 All Floors if the prices are $439 and $399 respectively.  Not once but twice we made this point with you when you praised the DC07.  
 
You are imputing your dyson product values to the rest of the vacuum cleaner stores in the USA and making a grossly inaccurate generalization.  It's your opinion and certainly not indicative of all other vacuum store owners and operators but you.  You can't and don't speak for them on any matters including this one.
 
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #589 - 03/13/06 at 7:49pm
 
Quote from Bruce   on 03/13/06 at 6:18pm:
Blah Blah Blah Blah.... same line Carmine. It's getting old.

We'll have to see how soon hoover drops the price of their pathetic premier vacuum... if it even remains on the market long enough. They certainly ain't sellin' cause you can now find them at every turn and corner. Hoover is apparently becoming desperate to make sales on this insult of a vacuum.

 
I guess what I hear from you is that since dyson dropped the prices on its two DC15 Ball models by $100 after only 5 months then HOOVER will do the same.  Pure conjecture on your part.
 
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