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JimB Senior Member I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 391	Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15) Reply #540 - 02/24/06 at 11:28am I believe the point may be that a a 20 question driving test much like the specific tests you have quoted for the CRI and ASTM can in no way predict the quality of how the driver will actually drive in real world conditions.
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #541 - 02/24/06 at 2:02pm

Quote from JimB on 02/24/06 at 11:28am:

I believe the point may be that a a 20 question driving test much like the specific tests you have quoted for the CRI and ASTM can in no way predict the quality of how the driver will actually drive in real world conditions.

Not a valid point for dismissing the test. Tests for products/services assure minimal standards are met not maximum.

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Reply #542 - 02/24/06 at 2:20pm

Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 02/24/06 at 2:02pm:

Not a valid point for dismissing the test. Tests for products/services assure minimal standards are met not maximum.

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I am not being dismissive of that 20 question driving test, just of any claims that it accurately represents how that driver will perform in the longterm real world conditions.

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Reply #543 - 02/24/06 at 7:10pm

Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 02/24/06 at 7:01am:

What's your point? Do away with driving tests and requirements? Don't have them because they are not perfect indicators of the real world driving success?

Let's go even further. Accountants, lawyers, doctors, pilots, engineers, architects, clergy, nurses, police, military soldiers, weapons qualifications, mortgage banker licenses and on and on.

Do away with all of the certifications because they all have problems.

I hope you are not saying that what's you want.

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It is more like what is your point Carmine. You ask 20 questions that are not relevent to the vacuum tests.

The tests that you are referring to are only to see what has been learned by an individual. To date I do not know of a single vacuum that has been educated. The point is that one can pass the test and still not be proficient . There are drs. and lawyers that I would never hire. A pilot trained to fly in WW2 would be lost if trying to fly a jumbo jet. Technology in the jet vs. the WW2 fighter is akin to your beloved never improved vacs vs the Dyson. The tests of yesterday are out dated.
Again, you are talking about training people and not testing performance of a machine. I could give you a long list of tests that are a joke among people who know the product lines. You likely could not relate to them as they ar not vacuum related.

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #544 - 02/25/06 at 3:04am

Quote from JimB on 02/24/06 at 2:20pm:

I am not being dismissive of that 20 question driving test, just of any claims that it accurately represents how that driver will perform in the longterm real world conditions.

I've never read a claim by anyone in on this Forum and/or in a position of authority that states passing a written and road test makes one a proficient driver. Have you?

The same is true for all certification tests. Passing the CPA (certified public accounting) exam didn't make me proficient in public accounting. Passing the test allowed me TO PRACTICE public accounting. In fact most test giving bodies/authorities qualify the test results by saying: "Just because you pass, doesn't mean you are thoroughly proficient. It means you meet the standards to become proficient which comes with time, experience and effort."

Tests and standards set the minimal requirements for the product, service, or certification. It's the starting point for the bar. You work your way up. And just because you pass (if you pass) doesn't mean you don't have to become better.

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #545 - 02/25/06 at 4:26am

Quote from HARDSELL on 02/24/06 at 7:10pm:

It is more like what is your point Carmine. You ask 20 questions that are not relevent to the vacuum tests.

The tests that you are referring to are only to see what has been learned by an individual. To date I do not know of a single vacuum that has been educated. The point is that one can pass the test and still not be proficient . There are drs. and lawyers that I would never hire. A pilot trained to fly in WW2 would be lost if trying to fly a jumbo jet. Technology in the jet vs. the WW2 fighter is akin to your beloved never improved vacs vs the Dyson. The tests of yesterday are out dated.
Again, you are talking about training people and not testing performance of a machine. I could give you a long list of tests that are a joke among people who know the product lines. You likely could not relate to them as they ar not vacuum related.

I suspect your inability to grasp the concept of testing, certification and standards stems from some forces beyond the limitations of your thought processes and language barriers.....But I may be wrong.

Carmine D.

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M00seUK Senior Member ~-~-~-~-~-~ Posts: 337	Dust mites Reply #546 - 02/27/06 at 1:33pm Further to the debate within this thread regarding the merits of using dust mites in an ad campaign. While searching just now I came across a person's blog entry on buying their Dyson vac, almost a year ago :- http://jenniferoconnell.blogspot.com/2005_05_22_jenniferoconnell_archive.html
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Mike_W. Moderator HERE TO HELP! Posts: 1318	Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15) Reply #547 - 02/27/06 at 9:55pm What does this blog prove? It does not matter which vacuum cleaner you use, not one is going to remove all of the dust mites and its excrements. Dyson will not even say his removes all. It is a constant battle for some who have allergic reactions to the mites and their activities.
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Reply #548 - 02/28/06 at 7:43pm

Hi,

Before we get too far afield, I have attached links regarding dust mites. It should prove helpful all around. Unfortunately, for all of us vacuum believers, the use of vacuum cleaners apparently is regarded as one of the lesser solutions to the problem.

Vacuums can of course be an important part of home sanitation but dust mites, roaches and other pests minute in kind that can be so harmful by way of their effect on pulmonary problemsrequire stronger tactics if they're to be brought under control.

http://open-site.org/Health/Conditions_and_Diseases/Allergies/Dust_Mites/

http://www.ehso.com/ehshome/dustmites.php

http://www.epestsupply.com/dust_mites.htm

http://www.medeserv.com.au/ascia/aer/infobulletins/Aeroallergen_Avoidance.htm

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C.H.R.I.S. Full Member I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 87	Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15) Reply #549 - 03/08/06 at 11:07am Do you know what this month is? Well it's the one year anniversary launch of the DC15 The Ball. Of course no word if it's a HIT or MISS with the world wide release of this very interesting vacuum cleaner.
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