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Dyson's The Ball (DC15) (Read 25193 times)
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Re: Dyson DC15 US Launch April 21st.
Reply #20 - 04/20/05 at 12:54pm
 
The Best Buy location in Woodbridge Va is scheduled to get the DC15 one month from now.  The dyson order was placed several weeks ago, the last time the dyson rep was there.  According to the store staff, the dyson rep could not provide any information about the DC15, not even its selling price.
 
The first question I was asked by my colleagues at Best Buy:  How heavy is the DC15??  Answer: 20 pounds.  
 
This Best Buy location has changed dyson reps many times.
 
I will be at the Best Buy location in Woodbridge when the DC15 arrives.  I'll take it through the hoops with my friends and colleagues who are on the BB store staff.
 
No fan fare, celebs, giveaways, free food, or entertainment is expected to be provided.  Just the old fashioned plug it in, plug it in and vacuum of years past.  I have several seasoned vacuum cleaner users accompany me.  
 
Next, I'll be visiting several of my friends with vacuum cleaner stores in the area to hear from them on the DC15.  THE EXPERTS IN THE VACUUM WORLD.
 
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Reply #21 - 04/20/05 at 1:31pm
 
I'll be waiting for your review Carmine.......    
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Reply #22 - 04/20/05 at 1:54pm
 
Carmine et al.: I'll be curious to learn how the DC15 manages the seals and gasket arrangement associated with a motor and fan which are apparently encased in a rotating ball! On one axis must be an inlet for the power cord and motor mount; probably on the other end will be found the channels for both the intake (Vacuum) side of the motor and also the exhaust. The vacuum side at least should probably have a flexible collar which tightens up as the negative pressure increases, but still must allow for roataion of the "ball." I can't imagine how the output side is handled. Probably the post-motor filter is in the ball? Although similar arrangements can be found in water pumps (e.g. dishwashers) it would seem that Dyson has added several points where wear can occur? (The DC07  seems to have only one point where a gasket slides around and may wear---the valve which diverets the air flow  from the nozzle to the attachment hose, and so far seems OK on my dyson)    
 
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Reply #23 - 04/20/05 at 1:59pm
 
motor contacts possibly brush/ring collar similar to Miele approach for topend hose_to_can, but higher current rating.  old amusement rides used them too.  They do wear.
 
How long 15's warranty?  Is motor/contact system covered longer than rest of vac?
 
Our sears doesn't know when theirs arrives - all excited though.
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Reply #24 - 04/20/05 at 3:54pm
 
Chris:
 
I'll be interested to read your review on the DC15, whether or not I agree or disagree.  I speak what I believe and stick with it, not waffling or hedging.
 
I won't be alone during the DC15 trial.  I'll have a cadre of vacuum cleaner professionals trying out the DC15 along with me, including the Best Buy sales staff.  Not as entertaining as the dyson launch but probably more technically oriented and interesting tahn anything you may witness in person.  At least we think so, regardless of what others think or choose to believe.
 
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Re: Dyson DC15 US Launch April 21st.
Reply #25 - 04/20/05 at 3:57pm
 
Quote from Elcleanofreako   on 04/20/05 at 1:59pm:
motor contacts probably slipcollars similar to Miele approach for hoses/wands, but higher current.  Another wear item.

How long 15's warranty?  Is motor/contact system covered longer than rest of vac?

Our sears doesn't know when theirs arrives - all excited though.

 
 
The DC15 warranty is 2 year limited just like all the other dysons, except 50 percent more in price than the DC07.
 
Will have to wait and see and read the specifics with regard to the "ball."
 
All the questions (Artie) are interesting and worthy of research and answers.  We'll see for sure soon enough.
 
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Reply #26 - 04/20/05 at 5:08pm
 
As far as the motor encased in the ball, from the pictures I think that the motor rotates with the ball, and the link to the outside world is handled through flexible inlet and exhaust hoses. Thus one curiousity to me is the gyroscopic effect. The rotating fan motor will act like a gyroscope, and when you rotate a gyroscope, you get forces on a different axis. I wonder if this effect will be noticable?
 
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Reply #27 - 04/20/05 at 8:18pm
 
"The rotating fan motor will act like a gyroscope, and when you rotate a gyroscope, you get forces on a different axis. I wonder if this effect will be noticable?"  
 
Carl  
 
Two vacuums previously mentioned with motors that moved with the vacuums' motions are the GE Roll Easy and the Westinghouse canister.  Both were produced around the same time in the late 1950's.  Neither was very popular.  Both had very poor sales and short lived productions.  Both were competitively priced and marketed during an era when tanks and canisters still outsold uprights.  The dynamics of the motor moving in concert with the vacuum movement adversely affected the motors in these vacuums, the GE more than the Westinghouse.  The concept was shelved until now.  Dyson uses the concept with the "ball"  except in an upright mode.  
 
The GE motor was horizontally mounted in the vacuum and the dynamics of the vacuum's bouncing, turning, and jarring adversely affected the motor.  The GE was designed to be tugged up and down steps.  Heat and vibration were hard on the motor's bearings.  
 
The Westinghouse motor was vertically mounted in the vacuum and spun clockwise and counter clockwise depending on the user's pulling motion on the vacuum's hose.  
 
It will be interesting to see how Dyson  "buffers" the motor from the shocks of the vacuum's movements and motions.  The DC15 motor is 10 amps rather than the standard 12, in part, to reduce motor heat which will build up on the enclosed motor.  
 
We'll see if Dyson proves more successful with the concept than his predecessors, GE and Westinghouse.  Two powerhouses of the industry in the late 1950's who failed to design and implement the concept successfully in a household vacuum application.
 
That's not to say that the concept was the sole reason the vacuums failed.  But it helped in their demise.
 
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Re: Dyson DC15 US Launch April 21st.
Reply #28 - 04/20/05 at 8:56pm
 
good point on motor being gyro..effect will depend on rotor mass /speed.
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Reply #29 - 04/20/05 at 9:41pm
 
OK,  
I just needed to put this to bed......
The motor is STATIONARY within the ball, it never moves or spins.......The motor is 10 amp, due to the second motor for thr brushbar being 2 amp.  There has been no word if this was to reduce heat.  Oh, by the way Carmine, please let me know when you plan on visiting the Best Buy in Woodbridge, I would love to be there since I dont live too far away
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