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HARDSELL Ultimate Member I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 937	Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15) Reply #680 - 07/31/06 at 8:01pm Sorry OT. I thought that heat was heat. So 500 degrees is hotter from electricity than from combustion.
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #681 - 07/31/06 at 9:43pm

Quote from JimB on 07/31/06 at 5:55pm:

In 2 years repairing dyson I have not seen one example of this issue in the real world.

Jim, I don't think most users notice if the soleplate rollers stop turning, so people wouldn't bring the vacuum in unless it had some other, more serious, problem. The fact that the rollers weren't turning certainly didn't keep us from using it. You might look specifically for this problem on vacuums brouht in for other reasons and see if you find it. If you don't, that shows me that this is a problem only on commercial carpet and not on home carpets- I have it, not on every roller on every vacuum, but on 2-3 rollers per vacuum on all vacuums.

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #682 - 08/01/06 at 6:30am

Quote from HARDSELL on 07/31/06 at 5:09pm:

Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 07/31/06 at 11:13am:

Quote from cprohman on 07/31/06 at 10:45am:

If you are going to use words, know what they mean.

CPro:

Excellent advice. As you know many words in the English language have multiple meanings. There are the official dictionary definitions and the vernacular. And of course there are words that are specific to an industry, like bojack and the vacuum industry. The word was coined and used in the industry long before it saw the covers of Webster. But this is a moot issue now. Wink

Carmine D.

I did not realize that the vacuum industry existed prior to the dictionary.

Come on HS: Words existed long before Webster's dictionary. And specifically "bojack" which arose from the vacuum industry was coined by HOOVER reps used in the vacuum industry vernacular long before it appeared in the dictionary.

Many words HARDSELL exist for years in the spoken language before they ever appear in the dictionary. Even you know or should know that each year the dictionary adds words and their meanings for words used in the English language. How about the UK English language and "HOOVERING" the rugs. It's as a part of the Queen's english as HEMI is here to the auto industry.

Dictionaries even have a separate listing for these new words and their usage and derivation. Wink

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Legacy Junior Member I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 35	Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15) Reply #683 - 08/01/06 at 11:11am Pretentious. Annoying. Those are defined on a daily basis here.
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #684 - 08/01/06 at 11:09pm

Hardsell,

Im not talking about melt down temperatures, Im talking about the plastic components that are
being dried out by motor heat, and also the exhaust heat that takes place in a vacuum that
uses a filter or a bag to capture are reduce dirty air from escaping the vacuum.
As the filters or bags fill up with dirt they reduce air flow which increases motor temperature
and depending upon how long you are using the vacuum,(like heavy commercial use) will have an effect on the overall motor life and housing life,(the housing generally doesn't melt down, it becomes brittle and cracks)
And as far as the friction generated by pushing a plastic based vacuum with poor wheel design is concerned, I haven't seen a Dyson yet with out base ware, and if there is enough friction to generate ware, there is over time going to be enough heat that will dry out the plastic making it subseptable to cracking, most people just assume that some one was hard on it, and blame the user and not the design.
And quincidently enough so does the Manufacture.

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #685 - 08/02/06 at 9:51am

Quote from vac repair guy on 08/01/06 at 11:09pm:

As the filters or bags fill up with dirt they reduce air flow which increases motor temperature and depending upon how long you are using the vacuum,(like heavy commercial use) will have an effect on the overall motor life and housing life,(the housing generally doesn't melt down, it becomes brittle and cracks)

That is an interesting point that I don't think we've had brought up here. One of the fringe benefits of the Dyson filtration system may be longer motor and housing life because, unlike bags and filters, airflow remains constant, so the motor should be better cooled during use. Perhaps that is why there are so few motor problems on Dysons even though it uses an inexpensive Panasonic fan. By the same logic, vacuums that use filtrette-type bags should have longer motor life than vacuums using conventional bags, since filtrette bags maintain airflow better.

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #686 - 08/02/06 at 7:24pm

cprohman,
If Dyson maintains air flow, then why on earth do you need to clean their primary washable filter, and replace their non washable $35. post filter?

Dyson's claim of no loss of air flow, defies vacuum physics, if in deed his vacuum does not lose air flow, even with a half full container of fine dust , and a totally CLOGGED filter,
and a carbon dust filled exhaust post filter, we will have to add the Dyson vacuum
to the list of the greatest wonders of the world.

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #687 - 08/02/06 at 7:39pm

I wouldn't want to presume to speak for the inventer of the Ball Barrow,
But I wonder if some how instead of air flow, which is reduced by dirty filters,
which last time I checked Dyson has two, he instead meant suction?
Which is very interesting, because, a lot of people don't know the difference,
and don't realise that you can make the DOESN'T LOSE SUCTION claim on any sealed motor vacuum made.(assuming the vacuum doesnt leak any were, before the air reaches the motor, like the Dyson does)

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #688 - 08/02/06 at 8:16pm

Quote from vac repair guy on 08/02/06 at 7:24pm:

cprohman,
If Dyson maintains air flow, then why on earth do you need to clean their primary washable filter, and replace their non washable $35. post filter?

Dyson's claim of no loss of air flow, defies vacuum physics, if in deed his vacuum does not lose air flow, even with a half full container of fine dust , and a totally CLOGGED filter,
and a carbon dust filled exhaust post filter, we will have to add the Dyson vacuum
to the list of the greatest wonders of the world.

If you have a totally clogged filter then you either have a filthy home or you have not cleaned the filter in years.
I have only cleaned my filter onec in two years. My Hoover with a pleated filter had to be cleaned at least once before finishing each vacuuming session
I have never replace any Dyson filter.

Since you seem to have a grudge against Dyson what is your recommendation for the best all around vacuum.

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #689 - 08/02/06 at 9:32pm

Quote from vac repair guy on 08/02/06 at 7:24pm:

cprohman,
If Dyson maintains air flow, then why on earth do you need to clean their primary washable filter, and replace their non washable $35. post filter?

Dyson's claim of no loss of air flow, defies vacuum physics, if in deed his vacuum does not lose air flow, even with a half full container of fine dust , and a totally CLOGGED filter,
and a carbon dust filled exhaust post filter, we will have to add the Dyson vacuum
to the list of the greatest wonders of the world.

No need to get silly, the claim of constant suction would obviously only be valid if the machine's instructions are followed. If the pre motor filter is cared for as instructed twice a year and the dirt bin is emptied before the marked full line all should be fine. Test the suction for yourself as I have it keeps consistent airflow as long as you have the dirt bin below the fill line and the filter rinsed twice a year. I have never seen the small amount of carbon dust that comes of all carbon brush motors effect a post motor hepa.

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