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Dyson's The Ball (DC15) (Read 25112 times)
cprohman
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #690 -
08/03/06 at 1:16am
Quote from vac repair guy
on 08/02/06 at 7:24pm:
cprohman,
If Dyson maintains air flow, then why on earth do you need to clean their primary washable filter, and replace their non washable $35. post filter?
Dyson's claim of no loss of air flow, defies vacuum physics, if in deed his vacuum does not lose air flow, even with a half full container of fine dust , and a totally CLOGGED filter,
and a carbon dust filled exhaust post filter, we will have to add the Dyson vacuum
to the list of the greatest wonders of the world.
Even when I have used it to pick up several bins full drywall dust, the primary washable filter has not ever been clogged (try that with any other bagless vacuum of your choice). If you clean the washable filter on a regular schedule, the Dyson should never lose airflow. As for the $35 non-washable post filter, I can't imagine why anyone would need to replace it. I have taken mine out and examined them, and mine are fine even after all the dirt I've picked up, and that's a lot of dirt.
As for your assertion that Dyson's claim of no loss of airflow defys physics, perhaps you are unaware that according to tests what actually happens is that as the Dyson starts filling with dirt, the airflow actually increases at first, before gradually going down, but that it always stays above the initial level. The reason is that a completely empty bin provides more friction to the airflow than a partially full bin because the completely empty bin has sharper corners. Becuase the airflow remains above the initial level at all times, courts have ruled that Dyson can use the claim of no loss of airflow. Now, as you point out, it is true that if a customer abuses the vacuum and doesn't ever clean the pre-motor filter, it will eventually lose suction, and the motor may overheat, but this is outside the normal operating conditions of the vacuum.
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #691 -
08/03/06 at 2:34am
Then why even bother having any filters at all?
And as you stated in your post below and I quote:
(cprohm)
If you clean the washable filter on a regular schedule, the Dyson should never lose airflow.
It would appear from your quote listed above, that washing the Dysons air filter (and isn't it called an air filter, because it is filtering the dirt from the air)
is part of maintaining air flow, so if a dirty air filter reduces air flow, at what time does this reduction take place?
After 5 minutes of vacuuming or 25?
And if washing the filter is all that is necessary to restore maximum air flow, how is it any different than just replacing a bag , couldn't any
manufacture with a bag system make the same claim that Dyson does?
And I wont even mention all the different areas around the rubber seals that the Dyson leaks, well not in detail any way.
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #692 -
08/03/06 at 3:15am
Hardsell,
I don't have a grudge toward Dyson, in fact Dyson makes one of the best designed and most powerful bagless vacuum that Im aware of.
The only problem I have with any manufacturer, is when they exaggerate the claims of there products filtration, cleaning prowess, and intentionally under design certain components or charge more than the product is worth.
I handle warranty work, and repair work for just about every vacuum made.
I have nothing to gain by pushing one vacuum over the other,
But what works for my situation, may not work for you.
If there was just one vacuum that every body agreed on as being the best, It would sure make my life a lot easier behind the repair bench.
Do you know we stock over 150 different vacuum bags and filters, and I wont even begain to tell you how many parts we have to stalk.
Hey if you own a Dyson and it's working, then I'll share with you what my dad shared with me, the best of any thing you can own is two thing's 1 working 2 paid for.
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
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08/03/06 at 11:30am
vac repair guy, I understand your point, and some time ago I would have agreed with you. Certainly it is true that the airflow through the washable filter starts declining as soon as dirt begins to reach it, and would ultimately reduce to nothing if it were never washed. I was curious about this, so I read about the lawsuit in England where the claim of no loss of airflow was challenged in court. It was in reading that case that I realized that the resistance to airflow in the cyclones was actually decreasing as it collected dirt, more than offsetting the loss of airflow in the pre-motor filter, so that as the vacuum was used, the overall airflow actually inceased initially before beginning to slowly fall, and that during the test period it always remained above the initial airflow level. How long was the test period? How long does the airflow remain above the initial level? I don't know. How does the airflow after 6 months compare to the airflow out of the box? I can't give you a number, but if it is down, it isn't down much. As a practical matter, most consumers wouldn't notice any difference unless they didn't clean the pre-motor filter. In advertising you can make all sorts of claims, but the fact is that if consumers can clearly see that the claim is false, there will be a significant negative backlash in time. That hasn't happened with Dyson because consumers have found the claim to be true.
As a pratical matter, if you have tested the vacuum, and I'm sure you have, you realize that the airflow is remarkably constant. You also realize that the cleaning schedule given for the pre-motor filter, every 6 months, is realistic, and that if the filter is cleaned on that schedule, a user will always have excellent airflow, but whether that number is 92% of new or 101% of new I can't say. Some other filtration methods, such as Filtrette bags, also do fairly well at maintaining airflow better than conventional bags, and some methods, such as pleated filters, do worse than conventional bags. Water filtration also maintains airflow, but as everyone knows, has other drawbacks (dirty water, trouble dealing with non-wettable dust, etc.)
I'm not here to tell you that the Dyson, or any other vacuum, is perfect. I don't work on vacuums as a profession, but I do own a lot of them, only a few of which are Dysons. The Dyson has its strength - the filtration, and the ability to maintain airflow. It also has its weaknesses - the beater bar and the soleplate rollers, to name two. If you want to criticize the Dyson for its weaknesses, fine, but don't be like some other posters and forget to give it credit for the things it does well.
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #694 -
09/12/06 at 3:31pm
Dyson won. The appeals court affirmed the decision of the Federal court. That the "pair of hemispherically shaped wheels" as written and covered in my patent, does not include dysons dc-15 single ball. That the ordinary meaning the word pair requires things to be separate??? Anyways......
Congratulations Mr. Dyson.
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09/12/06 at 5:57pm
Hello Kenneth J:
You fought the good fight. Be at peace with yourself. BTW, the DC15 Ball is doing a Claude Rains at all major retailers: They are disappearing off the shelves due to lack of sales and interest and after dyson lowered the prices more than $100. So perhaps you won in street justice rather than court justice.
Carmine D.
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
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09/12/06 at 8:47pm
Quote from Carmine_Difazio
on 09/12/06 at 5:57pm:
Hello Kenneth J:
You fought the good fight. Be at peace with yourself. BTW, the DC15 Ball is doing a Claude Rains at all major retailers: They are disappearing off the shelves due to lack of sales and interest and after dyson lowered the prices more than $100. So perhaps you won in street justice rather than court justice.
Carmine D.
Scored very well in the latest CR ratings. Maybe that is why they are disappearing.
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09/12/06 at 9:28pm
THe DC15 Ball was only dyson vacuum in the top 10 AND the only vacuum in the top 10 that scored only a "GOOD" rating for carpet cleaning. All the others scored very good and/or excellent. It is also the most expensive in the top 10.
That's probably the reason it is doing a Claud Rains: Disappearing like the invisible man.
Carmine D.
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
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02/28/07 at 8:36am
Quote from HARDSELL
on 09/12/06 at 8:47pm:
Quote from Carmine_Difazio
on 09/12/06 at 5:57pm:
Hello Kenneth J:
You fought the good fight. Be at peace with yourself. BTW, the DC15 Ball is doing a Claude Rains at all major retailers: They are disappearing off the shelves due to lack of sales and interest and after dyson lowered the prices more than $100. So perhaps you won in street justice rather than court justice.
Carmine D.
Scored very well in the latest CR ratings. Maybe that is why they are disappearing.
In yet another ironic twist of fate for the ill-founded DC15 Ball dyson, the latest global fad in office chairs even among such notables as Google, BMW and Sprint Nextel are gym balls. Yes, that's right. Move over executive leather office chairs (priced from $900-1600) and make room for balance and fit ball chairs from 18 to 30 inches as little as $24 to as much as $100. More than 11,000 were sold in 2006 the second year of operations.
Looks like dyson dropped the ball and WittFitt LLC picked it up and ran for the gold. Kenneth J's revenge!
Carmine D.
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
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04/13/07 at 2:36am
I have the patent! Kenneth J. Weger Patent# 5,794,305
I really didn't have a "trial" as I understood a trial to be and it was appealed federally. Live and Learn. I contacted Dyson too introduce my patent. He said he would get back to me in fifteen days….and 5 days later I was sued by 14 New York attorneys. He sued me.
Oh Hello there.
My case was decided on summery judgment…Before a "trial" as I understood a trial to be, not like on TV….On the ordinary meaning of the word "pair" as used in my patent. Yes that’s right. My dictionary said a pair was corresponding things…. and the person who sued me' dictionary said a pair has to be separate things. So my case was decided on one word before a jury trial. "Pair"
Ok….fine
I still believe that the patent shows the world the best way, A pair of wheels for left and right turns...then and now…..I also believe that I will one day get a license arrangement and the full potential of this wonderful idea will be realized…
I had the "Eureka" moment when I discovered, recognized and patented this incredibly innovative solution that added the mobility that those with arthritis lacked into the upright vacuum…The idea received a design award from the Arthritis foundation...No one can take that or that moment away from me…
I invented it…. Kenneth J.
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