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Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright
Reply #30 - 10/07/06 at 10:56pm
 
Consumers Union, which has not tested the Shark Infinity yet, did find a $40 Bissell Powerforce one of the best vacs in terms of their tests of cleaning rugs.  Now granted, this is a cheap feeling vac that will probably not last more than a couple of years of hard use. But it __does__ clean rugs!  
 
Wrt the Infinity, how does it do with Pet hair?  Wrt clay?  Wrt fine dust (does latter get past cyclones?).
 
Also, nearly all vacuum makers I know of specifically say not to vacuum fireplace ashes.  Sebo will void your warranty if they discover any damage to your Sebo vac via fireplace ashes.
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Reply #31 - 10/08/06 at 7:53am
 
Quote from VacOMatic on 10/07/06 at 10:56pm:

Also, nearly all vacuum makers I know of specifically say not to vacuum fireplace ashes.  Sebo will void your warranty if they discover any damage to your Sebo vac via fireplace ashes.

 
Dyson and HOOVER do for sure right up front in their User Manuals.  Does blatant disregard for these warnings by a self-proclaimed industry expert with the express intention to return the merchandise if the product fails HIS test constitute negligence, gross negligence, and/or criminal behavior?
 
The Forum has established that's its "not proper" thanks to CPro. But I was wondering just to what degree it is not proper.  Especially to do it consistently and then boast about it.  
 
Before everyone jumps on me as the culprit for asking THE question, I want to remind them that I bought a DC07 pink that does not work properly on my rugs and I still have not returned it.  Eventhough I was told by representatves of dyson that I should.  
 
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Reply #32 - 10/08/06 at 11:58am
 
So is that kind of like shouting to the world that the dyson brushbar does not work properly and continuing to ignore the fact that the carpet and rug institute say that a brushbar should not be used on your type of carpeting?  So shouting to a world that the brushbar does not work despite the CRI saying it is improper to use it on your carpet is obviously improper but to what level?  Gross exaggeration, blatant deception or criminal libel?
 
Dual's test certainly is a tough one but if those machines he choose's to use pass it and those he doesn't don't then he is welcome to use it as his personal standard as long as he is clear it is his standard and doesn't try to put more weight behind it by saying his personal standard is the "industry standard" as some do.  As for the returns I say it is up to the stores return policy as long as he is honest in what happened to the machine and the store has such a liberal return policy it is the stores fault.  I would not be taking it back at my store.  Retailers are welcome to set their return policy as liberal as they want and manufacturers and their instruction manual's have no say into that retailers policy.  
 
In my experience the Big Box store probably took the product back with no questions asked.  To suggest that every consumer that returns a product without having expressly followed all written directions should be labeled as performing criminal behaviour is just plain silly.
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Reply #33 - 10/08/06 at 2:19pm
 
JimB:
 
My new HOOVER WT Supreme for $149, 10 year old RICCAR for $150 (purchased as a demo), and 20 year old $80 direct fan Eureka upright work perfectly on my Mohawk wool carpets.  Using a straight suction vacuum, at much less cost than a DC07 and/or DC14 dyson, is not as effective and desirable as cleaning and grooming my carpets, and others like it, with one of the above uprights (and many others).  
 
Dyson makes a claim on its carton, and in written literature, that it picks up excellently on ALL carpets.  Dyson vacuums especially the DC07 and DC14 do not.  The same rug results are reproducible on my carpets, and other carpets like it, both in the home and the lab.  The VCCC demonstration of the DC07 produced the same gawdawful ratcheting noises I experienced.  Dyson said it would forward my comments regarding the flawed design of the DC07 pink brush nozzle and brushbar to its engineering department for future development.  
 
Dyson HELPLINE reps recommended that I return the DC07 pink to the retailer for a full refund and stated that dyson vacuums will not work on certain carpets.  It never suggested any of the workarounds that you and other dyson experts tell us on the Forum.  I did not return the DC07 pink although it is useless on my carpets.
 
What degree of "not proper" do you assign to a consistent practice of buying new vacuums and testing them in a manner that is expressly contrary to the warnings of the manufacturer, then returning them to the retailers?  And boast of the fact publicly on Forums.  Are you defending the practice, as long as the buyer tells you that he/she used it in a manner that is contrary to the instructions?  Do you think the retailers would take the vacuums back if they knew this?  Suppose you were the MAKER of the vacuum products and customers consistently did this with your vacuums: Used them in a manner contrary to the instructions?  What would you think, say, and do with these customers?  And retailers who sold your brand?
 
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Reply #34 - 10/08/06 at 2:48pm
 
It has been said many times that there is no "one for all" vacuum.  The Dyson is the best that I have ever used.  Does this mean that Dyson is the best ever.  If it does not perform for another does that make it terrible?  I think we all know the answer is not to both questions.  
 
Is there reason for me to praise the Dyson and criticize all others?  Is there reason for another to continually gouge Dyson because it does not perform for them?  Agan an emphatic no.
 
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Reply #35 - 10/08/06 at 2:51pm
 
Quote from HARDSELL on 10/08/06 at 2:48pm:
It has been said many times that there is no "one for all" vacuum.  The Dyson is the best that I have ever used.  Does this mean that Dyson is the best ever.  If it does not perform for another does that make it terrible?  I think we all know the answer is not to both questions.  

Is there reason for me to praise the Dyson and criticize all others?  Is there reason for another to continually gouge Dyson because it does not perform for them?  Agan an emphatic no.

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And what do you think of the written dyson claim on the DC07 pink cartons and in written literature that dyson vacuums pick up excellently on ALL carpets?  Is the dyson claim true, valid, accurate and honest?  One of the above, all of the above, some of the above, none of the above?
 
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Reply #36 - 10/08/06 at 3:47pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 10/08/06 at 2:51pm:
Quote from HARDSELL on 10/08/06 at 2:48pm:
It has been said many times that there is no "one for all" vacuum.  The Dyson is the best that I have ever used.  Does this mean that Dyson is the best ever.  If it does not perform for another does that make it terrible?  I think we all know the answer is not to both questions.  

Is there reason for me to praise the Dyson and criticize all others?  Is there reason for another to continually gouge Dyson because it does not perform for them?  Agan an emphatic no.

This will likely be eliminated so read quickly.


And what do you think of the written dyson claim on the DC07 pink cartons and in written literature that dyson vacuums pick up excellently on ALL carpets?  Is the dyson claim true, valid, accurate and honest?  One of the above, all of the above, some of the above, none of the above?

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Carmine,  if it is not true Dyson should remove it from the carton.  I find it hard to believe that Dyson has not proven in tests that what they say is true.  TO date they have won all cases against them.  
 
For those that are completely satisfied with Dyson they should not be told at every opportunity that Dyson is inferior.  Why not tell the world how terrible all of those other bagless vacs with a a pleated filter are?
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Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright
Reply #37 - 10/08/06 at 4:07pm
 
Consumers wanting to purchase a "premium" vacuum cleaner for $400 plus MUST be given true, valid, accurate, and honest claims about the vacuums BEFORE buying.  Especially when the claims are made in writing by the maker.  Dyson does not provide the research and studies that support the claim.  Other makers do.
 
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Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright
Reply #38 - 10/08/06 at 4:45pm
 
On November 1st, Bissell will be joining the 'Cyclonic' vacuum bandwagon with the release of their new "Healthy Home" Upright, made by Samsung...
 

 
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Reply #39 - 10/09/06 at 12:12pm
 
Now, a strong suggestion is to discuss the new Bissell bagless upright.
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