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Title: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Mike_W. on 09/24/06 at 9:42pm There is another new cyclonic bagless upright on the market. It uses quite a bit more cyclones than dyson. The cyclones are designed alittle bit different than dyson. It has quite a bit of power. For the most part, I like it. But........ |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by VacOMatic on 09/24/06 at 9:58pm who makes it and where can it be viewed, please? |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by planethoover on 09/24/06 at 11:32pm Is it made by LG?? |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by It_Sucks on 09/25/06 at 12:12am Shark 'Infinity', made by Euro-Pro... http://lnt.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p3120623dt.jpg |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Mike_W. on 09/25/06 at 5:26am Yes, it is Euro Pro's Shark Infinity. It is so new that their specific website, for the Infinity, is not even up yet. This vacuum cleaner has 24 cyclones, not one or two. First observations are that the vacuum cleaner filters well. I noticed how the debris started collecting below a separate area at the bottom of the bin. There is no "shroud", but there is instead a screen. The handle was comfortable, which made the vacuum cleaner more comfortable to use. It felt more solid compared to other Euro Pro. After pulling the handle tube from the vacuum cleaner, you see a stainless steel telescopic wand. I really like a wand system like this. There is no hose to reverse or wand that must be pulled from the hose. You just "grab and go". The hose is very long, but of course, when the wand grabbed onto something, the machine followed like I mentioned w/ the introduction of the dyson DC07. The Shark Infinity has alot of power or should I say enough power to clean. It does very well on carpeting, but I think the bristles could be alittle bit longer. I also thought that the height adjustment could use more height adjustments. The two models are painted in the style like AB Electrolux vacuum cleaners in the USA. The other of the two is a more blue/green-lite blue color. Some people will throw a tantrum, because on the vacuum itself, it says "never loses suction". It is still a cheaper machine and is sold by Euro Pro LLC, but people will buy it. I am glad that they now have an outside wholesaler for parts. One can be had for $200.00. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by guess_who on 09/25/06 at 12:16pm Hi Mike, Thanks for the heads-up. I'm very surprised that Euro Pro went this far. It makes one hopeful. I just checked online and Linens-n-Things has it for $249.99. Bed, Bath and Beyond who seems to carry Euro Pro as a staple does not have it yet. The other good point about this machine is that it has a 30-foot cord. By the way, when you used it did you have a chance to check out how the pre-filter and HEPA are set up? I only read that it possesses a "lifetime" HEPA that's washable. Regards, Venson |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Vacuumfreeeke on 09/25/06 at 1:02pm While it's pretty, the very fact that it's made by Euro Pro would make me shy away from it. When a brand is known for nothing except terrible products (Dirt Devil, Euro Pro), one's expecations aren't very high. Of course, even though I hate Dirt Devil, I think the Cruiser is pretty. Maybe I should learn to evaluate machines on their individual merits instead of stereotyping them because of who made them... what do you think? Does this machine infringe on Dyson's patents, or do they not have any? |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by guess_who on 09/25/06 at 3:38pm You know I wondered at the patent infringement angle myself but think, if an exact copy has not been made or a new spin (pardon the pun) has put on an earlier idea, there's not much ground for complaint. As I said -- one hopes. I owned a small Euro Pro canister that I liked very much save for flaws like bad air leaks in its telescopic wand. I also had a bagless I'd like to think that this new machine, if durable and useful, might lead to a sense of trust by way of the public regarding the Shark/Euro Pro brands and subequently prove an encouragement to the manufacturer to be even more innovative and lean even more in the direction of making highewr quality items. However, that sentiment comes from someone who believed in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy till he was 40. Venson |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Mike_W. on 09/25/06 at 5:32pm Like I have said before, Euro Pro does not make their vacuum cleaners. This vacuum cleaner is not like the others that have come out under their name. It is a notch above. You will still find some cheap areas like the height/wheel assembly. They even took the time w/ this series to paint them. I addressed the issue of parts earlier,because Euro Pro handled their own parts. It was difficult to get bags, filters, etc. Now it is easier, because vac shops will be able to order them easily. There are three filters outside and below the dirtbin. The first two felt and foam disks can be cleaned every five months. The company says to clean the third, large, pleated disk every THREE years. That sounds like it filters, doesn't it. BTW, this is about the third time INFINITY has been used for a vacuum cleaner name. I do not think they are thinking hard enough. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Vacuumfreeeke on 09/26/06 at 9:44am Who makes most Euro Pros, and who makes this one? |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 09/26/06 at 11:45am Mike_W. wrote:
Hello Mike: Maybe EP is trying to appeal to a very young movie going vacuum market: EP is a contender in the US vacuum market. "INFINITY...........and beyond!" Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by VacOMatic on 09/27/06 at 12:30am I've seen some other EuroPros using felt collars over their pleated filters - looks like it would be helpful in keeping nasties out of the filters. Is the Infinity's motor visible through the front grille (like the cheaper and loud dirt devil motors are) or did EP enclose it? |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Mike_W. on 09/27/06 at 3:46am I have made corrections to my above post re: length of time before cleaning filters. It now reads that the felt and the cottom filter should be cleaned every Five months and the final HEPA filter should be cleaned every THREE years. I reversed the figures. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 09/27/06 at 11:59am Dirt Devil has a brand new one cyclone bagless upright called ACTION, a modified version of the dualcyclone REACTION. The new one cyclone bagless version will carry a price tag of about $100. The likely venue will be Wal-Mart stores. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by dualcyclone on 09/27/06 at 5:28pm The new Dirt Devil is a very poor excuse for a vacuum cleaner. Like the twin cyclone Reaction, it's a terrible machine that doesn't clean the carpets well and clogs the filters almost immediately. I bought a Reaction at K-Mart the day they came out, took it home and sucked up fireplace ashes. The filter clogged out before one cup (8 ounces) had been sucked up. Compared to the DC17 Absolute (which didn't clog the filter after 64 ounces had been sucked up), the Reaction is a Horrible vacuum. I took the machine back, filthy, the next day for a total refund. What a waste of money for the consumer, like virtually all dirt devil machines. Seems like we ALL know this (except for Carmine - who doesn't know anything at all). |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 09/27/06 at 5:35pm Dual: I recall you said the exact same about the HOOVER Fusion at Wal-Mart over one year ago. Then Sam's Club added the HOOVER Fusion Plus, which you said was HEPA rated and we knew it was not. BTW Sam's Club in N. Las Vegas has the HOOVER Fusion Plus for $109. They are flying off the shelves (even with the recent CR admonition). Somehwere in a remote desolate location untraversed by the buying public and miles away from the vacuum displays are the dyson DC14 vacuums for $459. Not a one is selling even with the new 5 year warranty. I expect the DC14 will go the same route as the DC15 at Sam's Club. Going once, going twice, drop the price lower, lower, lower, and then gone forever. Terrible store venue for dyson. What was dyson thinking? The dyson shelf space in N. Las Vegas was cleared to be used for the extra orders of HOOVER Fusion Plus vacuums, which Sam's Club expects to completely sell out at the new lower price. Excellent venue for HOOVER Fusions. My sense is the DD ACTION will compete head to head with the HOOVER Fusion at Wal-Mart, which is breaking vacuum cleaner sales records for Wal-Mart stores. Excellent venue. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by vacuuman on 09/27/06 at 8:58pm dualcyclone wrote:
I tend to expect this from Dirt Devils. I have to agree with Dual here, but I have to also add that I feel this way about all low end bagless vacuums, not just Dirt Devil. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by HARDSELL on 09/27/06 at 9:38pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Always the lowest price. Wal Mart and Sam's shoppers are seeking bargains, not quality. Once again you did not explain why all those Spewsions are selling so well. Low end always outsells, therefore quantity is not related to quality. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 09/27/06 at 9:46pm HARDSELL: I partly agree with you. Although, I like "Spewsions." Very good. Watch Wal-Mart stock price. I predict sales growth of 10 percent for the next 5 years and earnings growth of 15 percent for the next 5 years. Wal*Mart opened a new store in Chicago. Over 15,000 persons applied for the 400 available jobs. I have always said that HOOVER Fusion vacuums and Wal-Mart are the perfect venue. Fusion is a sourced HOOVER vacuum as is the Fusion Plus at Sam's Club. According to NPD frequently quoted here by dyson admirers for dyson sales, Dirt Devil was the most popular selling vacuum in unit sales from January 1, 2005 through June 30, 2005. For calendar year 2005, 20 million new vacuums were sold according to the October 2006 Consumer Reports. Dirt Devil had a considerable number of the sales. (The sales numbers do not include stick vacuums, brooms, handcleaners, and rug cleaners). Dirt Devil is a leading contender in the USA vacuum cleaner and floorcare market. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Vacuumfreeeke on 10/02/06 at 2:13pm Hey there. I was in Linnens N things and saw the new vac. I was impressed with the feel of quality of the machine... felt solid. I like how high you can extend the handle... that was a shocker. I also like the foot power switch. What I couldn't figure out is how to arrange the long hose so that it doesn't drag on the groud... both models seem to have that problem, but it looked like it was in the hose hooks. Also, the trap door, I had to almost pry it open after pressing the release... maybe because it was new. Hmmm... |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by dualcyclone on 10/02/06 at 4:27pm More "bush-ism' from the mouth of Carmin. He loves the 'fusion" (his quote "very good") yet it's the worst cleaner for spewing dust from the exhaust, so bad that Communist Reports rates is unacceptable not once but twice. I guess that means Carmin likes the WORST vacuums. Any cleaner he recommends can be said to be horrible. Or he just doesn't know what he's saying (I prefer to think the later). I'm very surprised Mike W didn't mention what a hunk of junk the new Shark Infinity was. He could have saved me three hours of driving to the Linens and Things store, buying the cleaner, taking it home, discovering that it was HORRIBLE JUNK, and returning it to Linens and Things for a full refund, less than 24 hours later. The first thing I did when getting it home (bought the blue one) was to suck up two cups (16 ounces) of bar b que pit ashes. This tests the limits of the filtration system. A Dyson handles it well, with no dust in the exhaust. The Shark was horrendous. Filled the room with white ash dust. Clogged up both filters (pre and post motor). The 24 cyclones on the Shark do NOT WORK PROPERLY (I wish Mike would have mentioned it), since they are NOT tapered. They are simply low efficiency cyclones, removing almost none of the fine dust. The Shark is NOT a copy of the Dyson, because a copy (which is a form of flattery) would have worked properly IF they would have copied the Dyson exactly. The Shark is like any other Euro-Pro product - terrible. So far, ONLY L.G. has copied the Dyson and made a machine that works PROPERLY (the Kenmore Iradium canister and forthcoming Dyna-Clean upright). After all these months, I still think the world of the Kenmore Iradium canister. What a fantastic machine. Unlike the waste-of-money that the Shark Infinity is. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/02/06 at 5:35pm dualcyclone wrote:
The HOOVER FUSION and Wal*Mart are the perfect venue. Sam's Club and the HOOVER FUSION Plus are the perfect venue. Remember Dual when you said on the Forum that the FUSION Plus was HEPA rated and we knew it wasn't. It has a floor tool and a longer hose than the Wal*Mart HOOVER FUSION. BTW both "sourced" HOOVER vacuums are selling well for their retailers. And have been for more than a year. Despite the CR admonition. CR is a guide, not the gospel. People buy the best value for their money and apparently based on the FUSION and FUSION Plus sales after over one year, HOOVER not dyson is the best value for Wal*Mart and Sam's Club shoppers. At $109 the HOOVER FUSION Plus at Sam's is a value and a buy. (What was dyson thinking? Did it learn the lesson the first time with the All Carpet? Or will there be a repeat performance?). I'm an independent. I have no political party affiliation. I vote the candidate, not the party. :) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by HARDSELL on 10/02/06 at 8:26pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
The HOOVER FUSION and Wal*Mart are the perfect venue. Sam's Club and the HOOVER FUSION Plus are the perfect venue. Remember Dual when you said on the Forum that the FUSION Plus was HEPA rated and we knew it wasn't. It has a floor tool and a longer hose than the Wal*Mart HOOVER FUSION. BTW both "sourced" HOOVER vacuums are selling well for their retailers. And have been for more than a year. Despite the CR admonition. CR is a guide, not the gospel. People buy the best value for their money and apparently based on the FUSION and FUSION Plus sales after over one year, HOOVER not dyson is the best value for Wal*Mart and Sam's Club shoppers. At $109 the HOOVER FUSION Plus at Sam's is a value and a buy. (What was dyson thinking? Did it learn the lesson the first time with the All Carpet? Or will there be a repeat performance?). I'm an independent. I have no political party affiliation. I vote the candidate, not the party. :) Carmine D. [/quote] I also wonder why Dyson would put premium vacuum in a bargain store. CR is not the Bible, unless it proves your point. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/03/06 at 8:27am No, unless CR misses the point which it sometimes does. For $100, US vacuum consumers are not looking for a superb air filtering vacuum, they are looking for a best value rug and floor vacuuming product. And based on sales of the HOOVER FUSION and HOOVER FUSION plus at Wal*Mart and Sam's, they find it. Perfect venue and match. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Mike_W. on 10/03/06 at 12:49pm dualcyclone wrote:
You know this is getting ridiculous. You are commenting that Carmine recommends the Fusion series yet you have done the same. There have been at least two times that you have recommended the Fusion. To add to that, when you recommend this vacuum cleaner, none of the others who complain to Carmine for recommending the Fusion complain about your recommending the machine. All that is being done is spend time trying to find fault w/ Carmine. That is such a waste to this forum. This is not the find fault w/ Carmine forum. dualcyclone wrote:
Take responsibility for your own actions. You are the vacuum “enthusiast”. If you want to drive to get the vacuum, that is your issue. It is not like you do not have a vacuum cleaner to use. It is very common for you to go purchase a vacuum cleaner, “play w/ it”, then return it coated w/ what you used. This is not the first time, nor will it be the last time you do this. I think everyone can see clearly how I felt about this machine. Please reread my comments. As for your way of “testing” a vacuum cleaner, well, dyson would even be upset by what you used. No one recommends sucking up two cups of ash into the vacuum cleaner. If this vacuum cleaner were used for regular, “real world” use, it would clean fine. No vacuum cleaner, not even dyson, is perfect. I think regulars know how I feel about Euro Pro. I really have not changed that much. I have noted some changes w/ regard to Euro Pro. To make comments about this machine, knowing how I feel about the brand, shows an unbiased attitude. Do you realize that you are putting down this “junk”(your words) when you were selling them, in your shop, under a different name, a few years ago? Do you remember the brand name? Why have you not mentioned positives regarding the Infinity? You are always talking about how an upright should have a long hose. Well, they have long hoses. This vacuum even has a stainless steel telescopic wand. The handle can even be adjusted for people of different heights. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Vacuumfreeeke on 10/03/06 at 5:39pm I just want to point out that just because fusions are "flying off the shelves" doesn't make them good. People bought Yugos as well, doesn't make them good. I don't have any experience with fusions, but that reasoning doesn't make sense. Someone said dirt devils were one of the highest sellers at a point in time... anyone who knows anything about vacuums and many people who don't know that they are the worst vacuum ever. It just means there are a lot of "un-educated" for lack of a nicer word consumers. I am a little confused... How does the stock price of Wal-mart have anything to do with the Shark Infinity, or any vacuum? Wal-mart doesn't just sell vacuums, and most of the ones they sell are terrible at best. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/04/06 at 7:44pm The Infinity bagless is on sale at Kohls from October 4-9 for $199.99 before 10, 15 and 20 percent off stickers (on the sales catalogues). Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/04/06 at 7:57pm Vacuumfreeeke wrote:
It depends on what you mean by "good." A vacuum that breaks sales records within months of launch for a retailer's stores and then is added in a similar venue to affiliated chain of stores and continues to break sales records for both chains for almost a year is "good." And the store venue (Wal*Mart and Sam's Club) for the product (HOOVER FUSION and HOOVER FUSION plus) is "good." And the price of both vacuums is "good." Wal*Mart has over ONE MILLION customers shop in their stores EACH WEEK. Their sales of a particular brand and model affect and influence the entire sales market for that brand. Is that "good?" If it weren't, dyson and other vacuum brands wouldn't be negotiating to get and keep their makes and models in Wal*Mart stores and Sam's Club stores. The NPD claims Dirt Devils were the most popular selling vacuum in unit sales for the period January 1-June 30, 2005. For 2005, 20 million new vacuums were sold. NPD is the authoritative industry source that many dyson fans use to quote dollar market share for dyson vacuums. Dirt Devil had a substantial share of the new vacuum market in 2005, not counting its handcleaners which are the most popular selling handcleaner on the market and other Dirt Devil floorcare products, which many users like and buy. Does popularity and sales make a product "good?" In the majority of buyers' eyes, yes it does make the brand good. Unless vacuum buyers are deliberately buying dirt devil vacuums because they believe the vacuums are bad? I know many well educated, professional, middle and upper income people who buy and use dirt devil vacuums and absolutely love them. Men and women. Are they all misguided pathethic vacuum users. I've been to their homes. I don't think so. Their houses are healthy clean. :) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by HARDSELL on 10/04/06 at 9:30pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
It depends on what you mean by "good." A vacuum that breaks sales records within months of launch for a retailer's stores and then is added in a similar venue to affiliated chain of stores and continues to break sales records for both chains for almost a year is "good." And the store venue (Wal*Mart and Sam's Club) for the product (HOOVER FUSION and HOOVER FUSION plus) is "good." And the price of both vacuums is "good." Wal*Mart has over ONE MILLION customers shop in their stores EACH WEEK. Their sales of a particular brand and model affect and influence the entire sales market for that brand. Is that "good?" If it weren't, dyson and other vacuum brands wouldn't be negotiating to get and keep their makes and models in Wal*Mart stores and Sam's Club stores. The NPD claims Dirt Devils were the most popular selling vacuum in unit sales for the period January 1-June 30, 2005. For 2005, 20 million new vacuums were sold. NPD is the authoritative industry source that many dyson fans use to quote dollar market share for dyson vacuums. Dirt Devil had a substantial share of the new vacuum market in 2005, not counting its handcleaners which are the most popular selling handcleaner on the market and other Dirt Devil floorcare products, which many users like and buy. Does popularity and sales make a product "good?" In the majority of buyers' eyes, yes it does make the brand good. Unless vacuum buyers are deliberately buying dirt devil vacuums because they believe the vacuums are bad? I know many well educated, professional, middle and upper income people who buy and use dirt devil vacuums and absolutely love them. Men and women. Are they all misguided pathethic vacuum users. I've been to their homes. I don't think so. Their houses are healthy clean. :) Carmine D. [/quote] Good for Wal Mart and Sam's does not relate to a quality product... Wal Mart sells HDTV's, DVD players and HTIB. I am sure that they have boosted sales for the manufacturers products that they sell. This is good for Wal Mart, the manufacturer and those consumers who either can not afford better, do not know that there is better available or simply do not know better. Still, the products that they sell are far from the greatest. I have serious doubts that most well educated or upper income people care about a brand. As long as the vac is operable they are content. I have some very wealthy relatives with a Dyson. It is always overfilled. As long as it sucks why empty it. Brilliant mentality. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/04/06 at 10:00pm HARDSELL wrote:
The price of the vacuum at Wal*Mart and Sam's Club and big box retailers doesn't relate to the quality of the product either: Highest price big box vacuum doesn't mean best quality big box vacuum. Just as lowest price big box vacuum doesn't mean worse quality big box vacuum. THe GE canister is a staple of the Wal*Mart stores since 2000. $150 and consistently rated among the top canisters by Consumer Reports. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by VacOMatic on 10/07/06 at 10:56pm Consumers Union, which has not tested the Shark Infinity yet, did find a $40 Bissell Powerforce one of the best vacs in terms of their tests of cleaning rugs. Now granted, this is a cheap feeling vac that will probably not last more than a couple of years of hard use. But it __does__ clean rugs! Wrt the Infinity, how does it do with Pet hair? Wrt clay? Wrt fine dust (does latter get past cyclones?). Also, nearly all vacuum makers I know of specifically say not to vacuum fireplace ashes. Sebo will void your warranty if they discover any damage to your Sebo vac via fireplace ashes. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/08/06 at 7:53am VacOMatic wrote:
Dyson and HOOVER do for sure right up front in their User Manuals. Does blatant disregard for these warnings by a self-proclaimed industry expert with the express intention to return the merchandise if the product fails HIS test constitute negligence, gross negligence, and/or criminal behavior? The Forum has established that's its "not proper" thanks to CPro. But I was wondering just to what degree it is not proper. Especially to do it consistently and then boast about it. Before everyone jumps on me as the culprit for asking THE question, I want to remind them that I bought a DC07 pink that does not work properly on my rugs and I still have not returned it. Eventhough I was told by representatves of dyson that I should. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by JimB on 10/08/06 at 11:58am So is that kind of like shouting to the world that the dyson brushbar does not work properly and continuing to ignore the fact that the carpet and rug institute say that a brushbar should not be used on your type of carpeting? So shouting to a world that the brushbar does not work despite the CRI saying it is improper to use it on your carpet is obviously improper but to what level? Gross exaggeration, blatant deception or criminal libel? Dual's test certainly is a tough one but if those machines he choose's to use pass it and those he doesn't don't then he is welcome to use it as his personal standard as long as he is clear it is his standard and doesn't try to put more weight behind it by saying his personal standard is the "industry standard" as some do. As for the returns I say it is up to the stores return policy as long as he is honest in what happened to the machine and the store has such a liberal return policy it is the stores fault. I would not be taking it back at my store. Retailers are welcome to set their return policy as liberal as they want and manufacturers and their instruction manual's have no say into that retailers policy. In my experience the Big Box store probably took the product back with no questions asked. To suggest that every consumer that returns a product without having expressly followed all written directions should be labeled as performing criminal behaviour is just plain silly. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/08/06 at 2:19pm JimB: My new HOOVER WT Supreme for $149, 10 year old RICCAR for $150 (purchased as a demo), and 20 year old $80 direct fan Eureka upright work perfectly on my Mohawk wool carpets. Using a straight suction vacuum, at much less cost than a DC07 and/or DC14 dyson, is not as effective and desirable as cleaning and grooming my carpets, and others like it, with one of the above uprights (and many others). Dyson makes a claim on its carton, and in written literature, that it picks up excellently on ALL carpets. Dyson vacuums especially the DC07 and DC14 do not. The same rug results are reproducible on my carpets, and other carpets like it, both in the home and the lab. The VCCC demonstration of the DC07 produced the same gawdawful ratcheting noises I experienced. Dyson said it would forward my comments regarding the flawed design of the DC07 pink brush nozzle and brushbar to its engineering department for future development. Dyson HELPLINE reps recommended that I return the DC07 pink to the retailer for a full refund and stated that dyson vacuums will not work on certain carpets. It never suggested any of the workarounds that you and other dyson experts tell us on the Forum. I did not return the DC07 pink although it is useless on my carpets. What degree of "not proper" do you assign to a consistent practice of buying new vacuums and testing them in a manner that is expressly contrary to the warnings of the manufacturer, then returning them to the retailers? And boast of the fact publicly on Forums. Are you defending the practice, as long as the buyer tells you that he/she used it in a manner that is contrary to the instructions? Do you think the retailers would take the vacuums back if they knew this? Suppose you were the MAKER of the vacuum products and customers consistently did this with your vacuums: Used them in a manner contrary to the instructions? What would you think, say, and do with these customers? And retailers who sold your brand? Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by HARDSELL on 10/08/06 at 2:48pm It has been said many times that there is no "one for all" vacuum. The Dyson is the best that I have ever used. Does this mean that Dyson is the best ever. If it does not perform for another does that make it terrible? I think we all know the answer is not to both questions. Is there reason for me to praise the Dyson and criticize all others? Is there reason for another to continually gouge Dyson because it does not perform for them? Agan an emphatic no. This will likely be eliminated so read quickly. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/08/06 at 2:51pm HARDSELL wrote:
And what do you think of the written dyson claim on the DC07 pink cartons and in written literature that dyson vacuums pick up excellently on ALL carpets? Is the dyson claim true, valid, accurate and honest? One of the above, all of the above, some of the above, none of the above? Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by HARDSELL on 10/08/06 at 3:47pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
And what do you think of the written dyson claim on the DC07 pink cartons and in written literature that dyson vacuums pick up excellently on ALL carpets? Is the dyson claim true, valid, accurate and honest? One of the above, all of the above, some of the above, none of the above? Carmine D. [/quote] Carmine, if it is not true Dyson should remove it from the carton. I find it hard to believe that Dyson has not proven in tests that what they say is true. TO date they have won all cases against them. For those that are completely satisfied with Dyson they should not be told at every opportunity that Dyson is inferior. Why not tell the world how terrible all of those other bagless vacs with a a pleated filter are? |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/08/06 at 4:07pm Consumers wanting to purchase a "premium" vacuum cleaner for $400 plus MUST be given true, valid, accurate, and honest claims about the vacuums BEFORE buying. Especially when the claims are made in writing by the maker. Dyson does not provide the research and studies that support the claim. Other makers do. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by It_Sucks on 10/08/06 at 4:45pm On November 1st, Bissell will be joining the 'Cyclonic' vacuum bandwagon with the release of their new "Healthy Home" Upright, made by Samsung... http://www.bissell.com/images/Features/5770.jpg MSRP $349.99. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Mike_W. on 10/09/06 at 12:12pm Now, a strong suggestion is to discuss the new Bissell bagless upright. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Tobias Fünke on 10/09/06 at 1:53pm It_Sucks wrote:
I'm wondering, why can't companies like LG and Samsung break through the American vacuum market with their own branded vacuums rather than liscensing their products to companies like Bissell and Kenmore? |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Mike_W. on 10/09/06 at 2:06pm Tobias Fünke wrote:
I'm wondering, why can't companies like LG and Samsung break through the American vacuum market with their own branded vacuums rather than liscensing their products to companies like Bissell and Kenmore?[/quote] I had discussed some reasons in the past. Some of it has to do w/ name recognition(w/vacuum cleaners), marketing, etc. Look how many years it took Panasonic. Also look at Riccar. You have to be willing to stick w/ it and really market. LG made a point that they would do better under other brand names. And it has come to pass. There are alot of vacuum cleaners that are made by LG and sold under a different name. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by JD on 10/09/06 at 2:39pm How come Bissell and LG use this cyclone technology that Dyson is still using and has patented? I know they are properly not like for like copies but they still look similuar to Dyson! |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by guess_who on 10/11/06 at 4:26pm Hi, I don't know if this URL has been posted yet, but the Shark Infinity's web page has a link to the machine's operator's manual per below. It's in three languages, Spanisn, French and English -- none of which I speak well. Your opinions will be valued. http://www.sharkcompany.com/shark/manuals/NV30.pdf Venson |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Trilobite on 10/11/06 at 4:59pm Hi. My thoughts are as follows: It looks a little bit on the cheap side. (The floor nozzle/agitator cavity reminds me of UK Tesco supermarkets' Morphy Richards ultra cheap machines). The right-angled bend in the hose hand-grip won't do the performance any favours. (Creates turbulence) The bin has to be emptied not once but twice. (At least with Dyson you pull the trigger once to empty both compartments). I really don't think that Dyson has much to worry about. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Mike_W. on 10/13/06 at 3:10am The Infinity specific website, that I mentioned previously, is up and running- http://www.infinityvac.com/ Trilobite wrote:
Why not try the Infinity. Euro Pro does not make their own vacuum cleaners. They are made for them. Murphy Richards does use the same machines, as well as some other brands. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Trilobite on 10/14/06 at 3:45pm Unfortunately, I don't think the Infinity is available in the UK. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/16/06 at 7:38pm There are several features of the Infinity blue model that I like. The compartment with the cyclones is easily removed from the dirt bin for washing via a port hole for the purpose. The cyclones are positioned with the narrow openings on the bottom and the wide openings on top. Air drying takes 24 hours. The dirt bin and screen shroud are easily removeable too and washable. A light tells the user when the foam and felt filters should be washed. Cleaning is recommended every 3-5 months as pointed out in a previous post. The HEPA filter should be cleaned (including washing) every 3 years. Wand and hose are quick and easy to use. The metal wands are a nice upgrade from current conventional wands. Infinity is displayed and marketed with a product brochure secured to the bin handle which resembles and cites similar claims (almost the same minus one) as used on all the current dyson uprights. It does not appear as we normally expect Euro-Pro vacuums and uprights. It's lightweight and well made. Not the typical cheap cheap of Euro Pro past products. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by planethoover on 10/16/06 at 8:45pm The other day, perhaps significantly, I noticed that Macy's is carrying only the Dyson yelow and purple, and the Shark machines on the floor. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/16/06 at 11:18pm If I recall correctly, the Euro-Pro Infinity also comes with spare filters and belts. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by dualcyclone on 10/17/06 at 1:58pm The hardest thing for any vacuum, especially a cyclonic upright, to filter is fine dust. When doing a 'test' of a new cleaner, I use 8 ounces (a coffee cup) of bar b que pit ashes ( don't have a fireplace ) to simulate the fine dust people ALWAYS vacuum up. I do not just stick the hose into the cup. I pour the dust in a straight line and use the dusting brush to pick it up. Taking about 2 minutes to pick up the 8 ounces of ashes. There is always airflow through the hose, which allows the cyclones to work properly. I bought a Kenmore (LG) Iridium. Did the test. Worked Brilliantly. I kept the machine (paid full retail price for it). I bought a Windtunnel 2 bagless. Did the test. Suction decreased to the point of disappearing. Filter clogged. Retuned the machine to wally world. I bought a Dirt Devil Reaction D2. Did the test. Filter clogged. Dirt went PAST the filter, into the motor. Returned the machine. I bought a Hoover Fusion. Did the test. During the test, I could see the ashes blowing out the exhaust (filters were in correct position, cleaner was BRAND NEW). So much for Hoover's superiority. Returned the machine. I bought a Eureka 4880. Did the test. Performed well. Didn't blow dust. Maintained decent (but not 100 %) suction. I kept the machine. I bought a Eureka Whirlwind canister, model 6980. Did the test. Worked well, but not quite as well as the Eureka 4880 upright. But well enough I kept (and used) the machine. Fine dust pickup is a fact of life. Some homes much more than others. I have a 61 pound black lab puppy (almost a year old now) and he brings in tons of dirt on his paws that he digs up from the yard. I do, indeed, have lots of fine dust to clean up. Some folks use tons of carpet freshener. Same thing. A vacuum cleaner MUST be able to pick up at least 8 ounches of fine dust and NOT clog or diminish its airflow more than 10% with this amount of dirt. If it does, then why have it? Eureka is getting ready to launch their version of Dyson's multi-cyclone machine. Joining Bissell, Hoover, LG, etc. It seems that everyone is jumping on Dyson's bandwagon, just as I said they would two years ago. But with Dyson's new Level 3 cyclone technology, no one will be able to copy that for a long time to come. At least they won't without being sued. IF the Dyson didn't work properly, why is EVERYONE copying them? Dyson never copied ANY other machine. So, buy the original, and not a pale copy. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by cprohman on 10/17/06 at 3:08pm As described above, the test doesn't sound unreasonable. From prior descriptions I thought the test involved actually sucking clean the contents of a barbeque pit. Eight ounces of fine dirt is not a lot, and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a vacuum to be able to handle eight ounce of fine dust. If a homeowner used something like Capture, the vacuum would be asked to pick up a lot more than eight ounces. So long as dual is willing to keep vacuums that are capable of handling a reasonable amount of dust, I don't see anything wrong with returning ones that can't. Interestingly, I note that a couple years ago Dual forecast that we would see cyclonic bagless vacuums taking an ever-increasing market share, with other makers jumping in with copies, while Carmine predicted that cyclonic bagless vacuums would be never take a significant market share, and would fade away as people returned to bagged vacuums. One reason I periodically drop by is to see how these radically different projections would play out in the course of time. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/17/06 at 6:21pm Here we go again. My good friend CPro is putting words in my mouth. I'm flattered by his constant references to me on the Forum but let me clarify his misinformation and misunderstanding. What I said was "bagless" vacuums, regardless of the technology, would never be incorporated as mainstream into premium USA household brand vacuums. And the bagless fad would fade as people learn the nuisance and health hazards of dirt bin dumping. In the UK in 2005, dyson new vacuum sales declined 7 percentage points from 43 percent to 36 of market share in units, a significant drop. 2006 is expected to be at the same level as 2005, maybe lower. In the USA recently, the cyclonic suction technology has been reproduced in vacuum brands and sold at consistently lower and lower retail prices. With the bulk of the new vacuum product prices using this technology in the low to mid range prices for new vacuums $100-$200. There is one exception beside dyson vacuums and this is the LG Iridium, sold exclusively by SEARS. Even the Iridium prices are discounted from MSRP. The increase in bagless vacuum competition at significantly lower prices probably played a major role in the decision to extend the limited dyson warranty to 5 years from 2. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by cprohman on 10/17/06 at 7:26pm You also projected that Dyson would never have significant market sales in the US, and that they would be a specialty item instead of a mainstream item. I'm not sure if you forecast that Dyson would follow in the footsteps of Fantom, but that certainly was the tone of your posts. By contrast Dual forecast that Dyson would quickly become the number one vacuum in the US. So far what has actually happened was that Dyson quickly rose to number 1 in terms of dollar sales, a position I believe it still occupies. That would certainly make it more than a fringe vacuum. On the other hand, it hasn't become number one in unit sales. What we seem to be seeing now is other vacuum makers coming out with cyclonic vacuums. Thus far we haven't seen any evidence of cyclonic vacuums losing market share, and in fact to the contrary new cyclonic vacuums from all makers seem to be gaining market share. That would include both the Hoover Fusion and the Iridium. So far I'd have to say that Dual's forecasts have been much closer than yours, but I will continue to drop by from time to time to see how this plays out. The battle between bagged and bagless is far from over. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/17/06 at 8:30pm Dual is a very astute vacuum professional. He also recently became a Miele dealer. Here's what Miele says in its product literature: "Many people contemplate bagless vacuums in order to avoid the cost and time of shopping for replacement dust bags. At Miele, we believe the cost of a dustbag is a small price to pay for securing your health and the protection of your vacuum cleaner motor. Exposure to tiny, lung-damaging particles have been linked to many health issues." At last reading and still, Consumer Reports would agree with the Miele claim. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by planethoover on 10/17/06 at 9:00pm Dual, I have a question. When you say you use barbecue ashes to test these vacuums, do you mean an actual barbecue on which food and meats are cooked? If so, not only is that a very difficult test for any machine to cope with, but it also raises a lot of ethical questions, if you are returning these machines to the store for credit! I am in agreement that Dyson has made a lot of headway in recent months because of very aggressive pricing of their base model (the yellow DC07, a machine I personally loathed) which is turning up in a lot of outlets I would have never expected it to be in (such as Macy's, where I saw it prominently-very prominently-displayed). Macy's is really the first store in my neck of the woods where the store really made use of what has actually become an iconic brand identity. The purple one is generally $100 more (I believe it's called the Animal) but that's not going over well, even in households without pets (and I have no idea why). I do not think owning this Dyson will give owners in heavily carpeted suburban homes much pleasure in terms of day-to-day ease of operation-but I do believe it is far more reliable than any of the alternatives presently available. It's not Dyson against Hoover around here. Here, Hoover competes primarily with Oreck, who senior citizens overwhelmingly choose (or, they overhaul their old-school models at the local repair shop!). The Costcos around here inadvertantly killed Hoover's rep off around here by selling mass amounts of the "Savvy", which turned out to be a catastrophe, quality-wise (handles cracked, plastic holders snapped, yet "it cleaned great, while it lasted"). Folks that bought these were motivated primarily by the fact that you could go bagged or bagless, and expected something like their old WindTunnel models. On bulk day, you do see Savvy after Savvy, more than any vac I've ever seen, put out for pickup. When I talk to people and point out they are still under warranty, they've either had a nightmare with Hoover repair and/or customer service, or actually believe the machine is unsafe around children, which is sad. Yes, I know from figures and stats, but there's just not much interest in the Fusion from what I see. Those people go for Dysons, or some Dirt Devil-type bagless. Mieles are wildly popular with a select few, but they haven't gone mainstream yet, nor has the canister revolution yet taken place. Carmine, if you have any possible input with anyone by Hoover, PLEASE encourage them to focus on developing simple, yet sturdy, quality uprights. They already have the distribution network, and every supermarket has space to carry Hoover belts or, at the least, bags. The Savvy retailed for I believe over $200, and I've never seen such anger at a mass-market release that was defective. The brushroll design, etc. is timeless and will vacuum carpets very well. But they should stick to the tried-and-true and enhance the level of the fit and finish of their simpler models, and leave the innovations to the young Turks for now, until Hoover has time to regroup and set the world on fire. Dyson, I have the same complaints, bulky machines, too many times going over the same stretch of carpet to come clean, pretentious advertising promotions....but I'll reserve judgement until the new models come out (or rather, penetrate retail outlets and are widely distributed). I continue to be enraptured by my new Iridium. Everything I'd ever wanted in an everyday canister. If a Kenmore upright counterpart is introduced, and it's similar in performance, you won't be able to get me into the store fast enough! I do not understand why Sears does not aggressively promote it, however. I know Sears is not known for that sort of thing, but the machine has a distinctive, quality, perhaps even masculine look and feel to it, and it really is that good. Incidentally, a woman I know who is emigrating to Israel with her large family asked me for advice between buying the Hoover red canister (the model name escapes me at the moment), the Oreck, or a Dyson upright, and I recommended the Dyson! (Americans who move there frequently buy 220V appliances stateside or through UK intermediaries, because the costs over there are outrageous, choices and quality frequently subpar). My rationale was that the UK-made Hoover canister was definitely of lesser quality then the Dyson, and the Oreck, while good for their mostly-tiled flooring, might prove expensive to operate over the long term if supplier relationships for the bags and belts might break down, over time....did I get it right?) Thanks for letting me o-pine, as always!! ;) |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by planethoover on 10/17/06 at 9:02pm Miele has the potential to penetrate the wider market, if they so choose. Did not Rowenta do so, and raise the quality bar, with their irons and steam equipment? |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by HARDSELL on 10/17/06 at 9:34pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
n Who would expect Miele to recommend bagless? Surely you can do better Carmine. You (and other anti Dysoners) have constantly preached about the health issues associated with bagless vacuums. I know from your many posts that you are a proponent of statistics and facts. Could you please direct the forum members to documented evidence from the medical profession showing that bagless is harmful to one's health. If you live with the filth every day where is the icreased health hazard of dumping it? No worse that taking out the trash or cleaning a commode. Germs and bacteria can thrive in a warm climate. When you store a bagged vacuum all those germs continue to live and escape from the vacuum. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by HARDSELL on 10/17/06 at 9:47pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
You predicted that Dyson was on it's death bed and would be gone from BB by the end of 2005. What was that brand that was to execute Dyson? Next it was the Fusion and then the Z. Those nuances are experienced with the competition, not Dyson. Here in TN it is almost impossible to find a bagged vacuum. You tell us that Dyson lost 7 % market share in the UK. Was that % lost to another bagless or bagged vacuum? Low price will always prevail in unit sales. If not, name an expensive item that is #1 in sales. Dyson's low quality issues probably contributed more to an extended warranty than the low prices from competition. Actually there is no competition when you understand Dyson. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by planethoover on 10/18/06 at 12:31am My guess is that Carmine is trying to ascertain whether dual is a supporter of bagged vacuums, or bagless, and he's interested what might have made him change his position, if he did. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Mike_W. on 10/18/06 at 4:45am Well, we had eight days. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/18/06 at 7:55am What's next? A thesis on the inventer of cyclonic suction vacuums in the USA: Eureka vice dyson? ;) I'm visiting a grand opening of a Wal*Mart Supercenter in N. Las Vegas this morning. A visit to the vacuum cleaners is in order. My sense is that the bagless vacuums for sale are Eureka, Dirt Devil, Bissell and HOOVER in the $100-$200 price range. Of course the Wal*Mart vacuum staple in bagged vacuums is the ELECTROLUX Eureka GE canister which is sold exclusively at Wal*Mart stores and has been since 2000. At $150 retail price the sales of the GE cann are always brisk fueled in large part by consistent high ratings for the Electrolux Eureka GE cann from Consumer Reports. There was some buzz that dyson and Wal*Mart mended ways and dyson vacuums would be back on all the Wal*Mart shelves after an 18 month hiatus. Maybe it will be there too? Who knows? I'll have to check it out. ONE MILLION shoppers visit Wal*Mart stores every day (before the recent Wal*Mart expansion in China). 30 MILLION people every month. That's a huge number of US shoppers on a yearly basis. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by D.E.P. on 10/18/06 at 9:47am Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Carmine, It is already in our Wal-Marts here in Jersey - Color: Teal Blue/Silver - Name: "Dyson DC-07 Original" Brush Control Knob 14ft hose and not 17ft as in Yellow DC-07 - 2 year warranty and not 5 years $379.99 Other then the hose and warranty, it is the same as all the other DC-07's PS - here is the warranty verbiage from the Dyson USA website: "The following new Dyson vacuums purchased after August 14, 2006 receive a 5 year limited warranty: DC07 All Floors DC07 Low Reach DC07 Animal DC07 Full Gear DC07 Pink DC07 Full Kit DC14 All Floors DC14 Low Reach DC14 Animal DC14 Complete DC14 Full Access DC14 Total Clean DC14 Full Kit DC14 Full Gear DC14 Drive DC15 All floors DC15 Animal DC15 Total Clean DC15 Full Kit The following Dyson models have a 2 year limited warranty: DC07 Original Dyson Root6™: All Dyson products purchased before 14th August 2006 Best Regards, Dan P. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by planethoover on 10/18/06 at 12:50pm If my long post annoyed anyone, I humbly apologize. Calling all Dyson fanatics: Doesn't WalMart sometimes pressure its suppliers to "cheapen" their products? I know they've done this with lawnmowers.... In a Dyson versus WalMart showdown, who plays the quarterback, and who's the cheerleader? ;) |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by JimB on 10/18/06 at 1:20pm planethoover wrote:
Don't worry Planethoover although I do not personally agree with every thought in your "long" post it was probably one of the most thought out and spin-free here on that subject for some time. As for Dyson and Walmart, the talk is it was a rather unique resolution with a Dyson board member who used to run Walmarts european business working out the two company heads spending some time together at one of their homes resulting in the new agreement. The new walmart floorcare buyer is likely to respect dyson advertising guidelines even regarding price. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/18/06 at 5:21pm planethoover wrote:
Wal*Mart has over 61,000 US suppliers. And negotiates different agreements with each vendor. Most common problem is that the suppliers' products will not sell at the agreed upon prices and arrangements must be made to handle the unsold stock. Usually by reducing the prices of the products for sale and/or Wal*Mart returning the products to the suppliers who take the financial loss. Wal*Mart provides its suppliers a course of action and chain of command from the local buyer right up to the open door of the CEO if necessary to resolve any and all agreement disputes with its suppliers. When Sam Walton was still alive he would tell Wal*Mart suppliers: "If you believe in a point, scream it as loud as you can to whomever will listen to you." And it was understood that if you had to speak your mind, you have to say it nicely. Wal*Mart believes its suppliers are "partners." Many suppliers have been in business with Wal*Mart for over 20 years. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/18/06 at 8:07pm In a twist of advertising irony two TV commercials appeared back to back about mid way through the Oprah Show. The first was the DC14 TV commercial followed immediately by a Wal*Mart commercial. The DC14 ad has been talked about on the Forum. The Wal*Mart ad goes: No number is safe from rollback. Wal*Mart is reducing prices on over 10,000 of your favorite items. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/18/06 at 8:15pm Carmine, I saw the UK commercial on Dyson UK website. It's very similar to the one here but I think there's a little better. http://www.dyson.co.uk/media/streaming.asp?menu=DYSON%2FADS&video=Clogging |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/18/06 at 11:07pm Chris: Thanks. I viewed all the dyson commercials. It appears the US version for the "clogging" TV ad uses a less distinctive English accent than the UK version. I'd say both are about the same from my perspective save the accent. Onto dyson and Wal*Mart: How do the dyson followers and fans who down played the long absence of dyson at Wal*Mart with "Wally World" references feel now that dyson is back in Wal*Mart stores? Good and/or bad? Dyson markets (or at least tries) its vacuums as "premium" which isn't congruent with Wal*Mart's retail forte "lowest prices" all the time. (Based on comments received from some pro-dyson posters on the Forum.) Wal*Mart has successfully added high end electronics like plasma TV's to its sales venue. However, the success is due in large part to the fact that the Wal*Mart retail prices of these electronics are also lower than BEST BUY and Circuit City. How do dyson customers who pay $500 and more for their dyson purchases feel when they see Wal*Mart dysons for $379 (and probably less in time, say $320). Do they still think its a "premium" vacuum brand? Or do they think they overpaid? Dyson is walking a tight rope once again. It fell once already after less than one year. Does it have a safety net this time around? Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by JimB on 10/19/06 at 3:35pm Hey Carmine, I think Walmarts strategy of going after more high end product like plasma tv's is a great move for them. I am sure dyson is ecstatic to be back in Walmart and in front of those 1 million consumer a day. Personally I will wait and see the effects on business. The product is differentiated with less features to affect the lower price, but I will have to wait to see how upselling from those looking at this model will go. I am however encouraged that dyson has already shown they will walk away from Walmart business if needed. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/19/06 at 9:30pm JimB wrote:
Alas. We agree EXCEPT for the last sentence. Since the contracts that Wal*Mart and suppliers have are confidential you and I will never know "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" about the falling out. My sense is that it involved a dispute in the written and most likely unwritten portions of the agreement. The resolution and reintroduction of dyson to Wal*Mart took longer than most contract disputes. In part I believe due to the newness of the business relationship. I'm also sure that dyson is ecstatic to be back in Wal*Mart. But its a 2 edged sword. Despite alot of wishing and thinking otherwise, the absence of dyson vacuums from Wal*Mart stores for over one year had a significant effect on dyson sales. I liked the ALL CARPET dyson at Wal*Mart better than any of the dyson DC07 models. If I bought and used that model on my wool Mohawk carpets, I'd still have it. No gawdawful ratcheting noises to contend with. I was sorry to see dyson abandon it. It was a good venue for Wal*Mart stores. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/20/06 at 12:33pm The new BISSELL "Healthy Home" and and Pro-Heat 2X were featured today on Good Morning America and in the Wall Street Journal. The show and article deal with household odors and what companies are doing to reduce and/or eliminate these odors. In the case of the BISSELL, the manufacturer uses Microban antimicrobial product protection to reduce and eliminate unhealthy dust and dirt odors. These household odors are not always detected by household occupants. Use of the product doesn't cover up the odor but reduces and eliminates. Microban and its usage by Oreck and others has been discussed recently on the Forum. Also mentioned are the replacement vacuum filters and paper bags made by Arm and Hammer and sold through retailers and used by independent vacuum store owners. These vacuum products use baking soda to neutralize and eliminate dusty musty vacuum odors. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by just-passing-throu on 10/20/06 at 2:10pm Carmine, and the other Gurues here on the board: I was once told by a vac shop not to use Baking soda with my vacuum, because it was highly corrosive to bearings and armatures. I used to sprinkle it on my carpet and vacuum it up. After he told me that I quit. The same with what others here have said about carpet fresh. A small part will always get by and end up in the motor. This includes by-pass motors becuse their cooling air is taken in so close to the action. If this isn't correct I will go back to the sprinkle and vac. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by dualcyclone on 10/20/06 at 4:29pm It's true that carpet fresheners and baking soda should not be used all the time in a vacuum cleaner. Some will get into the bearings on the end of the brush bar. Some will get into the filtration system. And some will get into the fans (motor) whether they be the suction or the cooling fans. However, infrequent use will not do any damage. It's only the daily, frequent, constant use of these products that's the problem. Really, not even that. The problem comes due to the fact that they SIT ON TOP of the carpet, where the cooling fan from the Kirby can pick them up and send them over the armature. Or they can be inhaled into the Hoover Fusion and end up clogging the pre motor as well as post motor filters (plus, getting into the suction fan). I have infrequently used baking soda to deoderize my carpets (as well as to provide visual 'dirt' when testing a cyclonic upright), but I RUB THE BAKING SODA INTO THE RUG, so it is not sitting on the top of the carpet. Baking soda is light in character, so the suction pretty well picks it all up with one use. And the rug smells like nothing (deoderized) after its use. Since the baking soda is considered 'dirt' by the vacuum, I do not do this all the time, probably only three or four times in an entire year. There's enough 'real' dirt in my home without adding to the dust load the vacuums have to contend with. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/20/06 at 7:08pm J-P-T: Here are the website links FYI: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2590491 www.realestatejournal.com The WSJ article is by June Fletcher and can be found in "House Talk" (Home Front) "Smelly Carpets, Meet Silver Icons." But not until tomorrow. http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=Arm+and+Hammer+vacuum+Bags&hl=en&lr=&rls=RNWE,RNWE:2006-17,RNWE:en&sa=X&oi=froogle&ct=title Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by cprohman on 10/24/06 at 5:17pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Yes, and to your credit, you have stuck with that forecast even thought the trend has been and continues to be strongly in the other direction. When you are consistently wrong, it isn't always easy to stick to your guns. As you say yourself: Carmine_Difazio wrote:
By contrast, dual has forecast that as Dyson patents expire the cyclonic technology would be adopted by other vacuum makers at decreasing prices, and that bagged vacuums would become a specialty item while cyclonic bagless vacuums became the mainstream. Thus far his projection would seem to be the more accurate, but the battle will continue into the future for awhile. Bagless vacuums could fade, or at the other extreme, bagged vacuums could go the way of the vinyl LP and bias-ply tires. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/24/06 at 6:05pm CPro: Welcome back. It's always a pleasure to read your insight on the Forum. Since you are sort of a "hit and miss" reader and poster on the Forum, you may be "out of the loop" on the vacuums that are getting purchased by Forumers in the "premium" high end vacuum range. Most recently the bagged upright and bagged canisters are the ones of choice with RICCAR and Miele most noted. These high end premium vacuum store brands have stayed the course with the bagged vacuums choosing to improve filters and bags rather than going with the fad: bagless. As you said, time will tell and the battle continues. Most quoted by dyson admirers on the Forum and by James himself in his product literature is the now famous line that the HOOVER Exec made about dyson in the UK: That he wishes HOOVER took dyson up on the offer to purchase the technology. The implication IMHO is that dyson bagless technology is better than bagged vacuums. I disagree with this perception. I believe as always stated by HOOVER and other premium brands that they KNOW bagged vacuums are better. And they preferred to keep the bagless vacuums off the market. Since dyson uprights have been such popular big box store sellers, it has forced vacuum makers who sell primarily through the big box stores to compete with the bagless vacuums. How? By producing bagless. But these brands keep their premium line with bags: HOOVER still has the bagged WT 2; Dirt Devil the Powercast; EUREKA with the BOSS Smart vacuum (consistently a top rated vacuum by Consumer Reports) and its premium line of Electrolux cleaners and I can go on. You forgot to mention that I also consistently said bagless is a perfect venue for USA hand and stick cleaners and more of these are going that route. BTW have you seen the Euro-Pro Infinity? What are your thoughts? These 24 cyclone bagless uprights would serve you well in your businesses after the dysons are retired. And less than half the price with parts readily available now among the vacuum cleaner store independents. Check out Wal*Mart when you have time. The technical charts have reversed recently in its favor. ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by johncainltd on 10/26/06 at 11:04pm I noticed on Shark's website that for this model even the cyclonic chambers are available for sale as a replacement part. I'm a bit suspicious. Is there a reason that they would make this part available as a separate part? Perhaps it's easier for the manufacturer to offer the replacement part than to offer an apology??? Hmmm........ |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/27/06 at 8:16am johncainltd wrote:
The suction cyclones' compartment, shroud screen, and dirt bin easily come apart (without tools) and can be washed and aired dry (24 hours is recommended) or blown dry and put back together. Voila, just like new again. All the dirt, dust and germs are gone. Just like the washable filters that have to be air dried, and users have a spare to use in the meantime, the cyclones' compartment is the same. If you look carefully at the cyclones, eached is shrouded for protection. I don't believe these will break, warp, and/or crack. But if they do, they can be replaced separetely from the other components. A nice feature IMHO. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by just-passing-throu on 10/27/06 at 4:59pm dualcyclone wrote:
Dual, Thank you for your reply, I am just sorry it took me so long to read it. When I did use baking soda I always stomped/rub it in. I didn't use it alot, but I did use it occasionaly in the area where the dog lays. It's good to know that It can be used on occasion without going to vacuum hell. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/27/06 at 9:52pm The new line of Arm & Hammer bagless filters use the baking soda right in the filter paper to neutralize the odors caused by mold, bacteria and fungi. The dirty air passes through the filter with the baking soda particles which neutralizes odor bearing dirt. The result, odor free air is released into the air. Filter replacement is recommended every 90-120 days. I like these replacement filters better than the original equipment and in most cases these are less expensive than the OEM. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/29/06 at 9:49am I saw the new commercial for the Infinity last night. http://lnt.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p3120623dt.jpg |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/29/06 at 2:40pm Chris: What did you think? There are 2 upright models. Kohl's has the blue-purple model (I'm color blind) that retails for $249 on sale for $199. BEST BUY was quick to add both models to its stores and website. Target, Wal*Mart and SEARS are watching from the side lines to see how they sell before they add the line. I think its just a matter of time. Bed Bath and Beyond and Linens-n-Things have exclusive Euro-Pro models already. I don't know if they will carry these same Infinity models and/or a special one(s) will be made for their stores. Have to wait and see. Filters including HEPA require as little maintenance as the more expensive bagless if not less (save the HOOVER Z and WT 2 which are self-cleaning). Nice features especially the light that tells you if the filters have to be cleaned. After market parts are readily available to the industry. I like that the 24 cyclones, bin and shroud are completely washable. No pet hair, dander, bacteria, mold and fungi to become permanently affixed in the nooks and crannies of the dirt bin and filtering components for the life of the vacuum. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/29/06 at 3:28pm I liked the commercial Carmine. At first I thought it was a new and improved Dyson commercial. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/29/06 at 8:38pm Ironic that the TV ads are so similar. The same is true of the product information on the Infinity uprights at the retailers. It looks like the literature is taken right off the dyson uprights. It's apparent (at least to me) that the Euro-Pro Infinity uprights are being marketed to go head to head with the more expensive dyson uprights. Gutsy move by Euro-Pro to say it is as good if not better than another brand that costs over twice as much. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by VacOMatic on 10/30/06 at 12:50am Perhaps some of the dealers here know if Euro Pro is backing these new Infinity vacs properly? The Infinity web site seems promising. As side note, EuroPro is offering a water filtration cyclonic vac for $70. No idea if it works any better than the Rainbow wrt filtration (its power brush seems to be of the turbo variety). |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Mike_W. on 10/30/06 at 3:59am johncainltd wrote:
I do not think that this is strange, because it is more possible for a part to break/wear when handled more often. The website is just making it easier to order parts. If you look at dyson's accessories, you will find that they also offer the cyclone chamber. Unlike the dyson, the Infinity cyclone chamber is broken down in smaller parts. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Mike_W. on 10/30/06 at 4:05am VacOMatic wrote:
Euro Pro has marketed a water filtration canister for a few years now. It is different from the Rainbow concept. The E-P uses filters instead of the seperator. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by cprohman on 11/01/06 at 4:07pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
I don't expect to replace the DC07s for awhile yet, especially after just refurbishing them, but if I need to, I'll look at the Infinity. I'm definitely leary of anything with the Euro-pro label, though. Also, didn't Dual test one and have it fail his ashes test? You would think a 24 cyclone vacuum would do well on it, if it was properly designed. As for WMT, I'll continue to stay as far as possible from retail stocks given my expecation of a severe and long-term economic downturn. My primary investments continue to be in gold and silver. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 11/01/06 at 6:03pm Hello CPro: FWIW the Euro-Pro Infinity Shark uprights come with a 2 YEAR UNCONDITIONAL PRODUCT WARRANTY. I'm not a fan of bagless vacuums but I have respect and admiration for a brand that goes head to head with the highest priced big box bagless brand at half the price. And has the features and performance to match if not exceed it. The big box retailers do too. Including the retailer that convinced the highest priced bagless brand to launch its line in the USA in 2002 and provided the store venue to do so. WRT big box retailers, take a look at Target stores. Warren Buffett, the oracle of Omaha, just made a $270 MILLION investment in its stock. ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Inmate Number 2 on 11/01/06 at 9:02pm http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/8028/8028181_ra.jpg I'm surprised you folks have yet to mention the new Bissell Healthy Home upright being a viable competitor to the Dyson range. Best Buy now has them for $299, and from what I saw in person, it is a pretty strong competitor, if not, a solid alternative to the DC07 and DC14. As being essentially a rebadged Samsung, it is of very high build quality, with an effective emulation of Dyson Root Cyclone technology, as well as many other features that make this upright a value leader in the segment. If LG is the first company to effectively duplicate Root Cyclone technology, then Samsung/Bissell is certainly the second. With all of the filth I picked up off the carpet in the aisle way, no dust was seen on the prefilter. However, that may differ from actual in-home use. But with a dual motor system, a competent brushroll, one touch emptying, and an on-board turbobrush, I see the Bissell being a more worthy competitor than the Infinity, although they deserve credit for launching a good offering for its price segment, even if the cyclonic system is not as efficient. However, there is a big drawback for the Bissell, for it is a porker. Tipping the scales at 24.5 lbs, it is no lightweight, but the large rear wheels made it easier to maneuver for its weight. Now I'm waiting to see how the new Eureka machine will turn out to be when it comes out. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 11/01/06 at 9:29pm Just hitting the market at the BEST BUY stores' venue and already discounted $50 from MSRP. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Mike_W. on 11/02/06 at 4:45am Inmate Number 2 wrote:
The Bissells came out about Friday. I have to say that I am amazed at this machine(Healthy Home). When you first lift the vacuum by the carrying handle, you notice that it feels more durable. The Healthy Home feels "solid". This China-built upright cleans very well. I was surprised to see that it even picked up debris from the sides of the head. The two switches for power and brushroll power on/off at the fingertips is a real plus. The hose and cord are also very long which is another plus. The vacuum is on the heavy side, but that is do to the cyclone dirt chamber and the brushroll motor. Bissell and Samsung have their own patented features on this machine as well as some others. The vacuum filtered well. There was a slight dusting of the black premotor filter, but this can be rinsed out occasionally. I do think that the filter should have been designed differently-larger. I also would have liked seeing a washable final filter on this vacuum cleaner. For this price, it will be a big seller for those who cannot or will not purchase a $400 vacuum cleaner. They will still get very good results. The price will drop after the introductory period and there will be sales, so this will be even more appealing. Now, as for the Bissell Momentum, that is a different story from the Healthy Home. The Momentum looks and feels "cheap". The "bagless feature" is not that great. It uses a flat barrier to try keeping the dirt from rising up. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by VacOMatic on 11/02/06 at 10:53am Does the new Bissell have soft or hard brushes in the brushroll? How about noise levels? Our BestBuy doesn't have them yet but will check 'em out once they do. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Inmate Number 2 on 11/02/06 at 11:14am VacOMatic wrote:
The bristles are neither hard or soft; they are in between. They seemed to be somewhat flexible to the touch, due to the fact that the bristles are not as thick, and are not as packed as tightly together as on other brushrolls. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Mike_W. on 11/02/06 at 4:18pm Inmate Number 2 wrote:
The bristles are niether hard or soft; they are in between. They seemed to be somewhat flexible to the touch, due to the fact that the bristles are not as thick, and are not as packed as tightly together as on other brushrolls.[/quote] I have to disagree. The bristle strips are very stiff. They are stiff like the new dyson and Infinity uprights, which are stiffer than HOOVER and Eureka. HOOVER and Eureka also use longer bristles. Bissell's stiff bristles are not a new thing, since they are on their previous models. If they were longer, like Eureka's SmartVac, they would be more flexible. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by cprohman on 11/02/06 at 4:27pm The Samsung looks like a good unit. My guess is that if LG can get the multi-cyclone design to work right, Samsung can, too. I would be more tempted to try this unit that the Euro-pro. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 11/02/06 at 5:15pm At $300 now and potentially less in the future, the BISSELL Healthy Home appears to be a solid competitor for the highest priced bagless PLUS offers a 7 position rug height adjustment (vice none on the highest priced brand) and a headlight (vice none) and a turbo tool on board (vice none). With a sealed HEPA filter, microban protection, and lifetime belt, the BISSELL has all the current industry's bells and whistles. Looks and sounds pretty good for the money. Not to mention that Samsung is performing exceedingly well financially and operationally WRT to appliances and electronics worldwide. I'm not surprised it would partner with BISSELL to bring this model to market. BISSELL has a presence in just about every big box retailer in the USA. And the name is widely recognizable in the industry, probably as well as HOOVER, EUREKA, ROYAL and ELECTROLUX. Anyone know the warranty coverage on the BISSELL Healthy Home? (BTW, excellent name IMHO). A clean home is a healthy home! Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 11/02/06 at 7:22pm According to the BISSELL web site, the Healthy Home has a 2 year warranty just as the DC07 Original at Wal*Mart for $379. With 8 cyclones, just like the DC07, and a host of features that the dyson DC07 model (and even the newer dyson models lack including a brush roll more fitted to USA carpets), and the lower price, the HEALTHY HOME gets the selling edge IMHO. The DC07 models at $399 plus are going to come under fierce competition by all the big box retailers who carry the Healthy Home. Maybe that's the reason that most retailers recently including SEARS have had the DC07 models advertised for sale. In anticipation of the BISSELL's Healthy Home launch. "A clean home is a Healthy Home." Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by HARDSELL on 11/02/06 at 8:06pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
To date the imitators that have gone head to head with the highest priced bagless have not performed as well. This includes one of the most known names in the industry. Maybe there is a reason for the high price. Performance and quality in one package doesn't come cheap. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 11/02/06 at 8:11pm The E-P Shark Infinity uprights are at Linen and Things and Bed Bath and Beyond stores: http://www.lnt.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2441064&cp=1331608.2016830.1332281&parentPage=family http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?order_num=-1&SKU=14210415&RN=79 I noted the vacuums come with a 2 YEAR LIMITED Warranty, not unconditional as I stated in a previous post. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 11/02/06 at 8:24pm Amazon has the BISSELL HEALTHY HOME: http://www.amazon.com/BISSELL-5770-Healthy-Bagless-Upright/dp/B000HS28AK/ref=pd_rhf_p_1/104-3283703-4987952 FYI on the HEALTHY HOME: http://healthnewsdigest.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=12&num=4640&printer=1 Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by VacOMatic on 11/04/06 at 1:52am Walmart also introduced a new Bissell Cyclonic, a big step down from their Healthy Home. I could not find pricing of it, but its cyclone seems elementary at best (a single basic cyclone at top, large collection bin at base, small foam motor prefilter, sort-of HEPA filter (loosely fitted in its housing) on side. Walmart is also offering the Dirt Devil Action and Reaction cyclone vacuums. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 11/04/06 at 7:48am VacOMatic wrote:
The Wal*Mart web site shows the BISSELL HEALTHY HOME VACUUM for $298 with 2-4 day processing and 7-10 day delivery to store with no shipping costs for customer pick-up: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5031457 I'm pleasantly surprised that the Wal*Mart stores have this BISSELL HEALTHY HOME vacuum for sale so soon after launch, even if it doesn't make it to ALL the stores. The Wal*Mart stores including the Supercenters in North Las Vegas do not have the dyson vacuums on the shelf. Too expensive. ONLY website sales. Wal*Mart is going through a reorg of store merchandise, curtailing remodeling efforts to upscale, cutting back on store openings AND ousting high priced brands and/or discounting prices drastically to position for Holiday sales. THis will put pressure on other retailers to do likewise. Why? Most of the typical Wal*Mart customers shun the stores' move to trendier high priced items (like its Metro 7 line of apparel)and Wal*Mart stores' customer base is shopping elsewhere. To halt the exodus, Wal*Mart is reverting back to its tried and true store philosophy. Catering to the average USA family income of $50,000 per year with brands and prices that appeal to their budgets and lifestyles. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Dyson_Chris on 11/04/06 at 4:42pm I saw the commercial for this one today on A&E. http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/8028/8028181_ra.jpg |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by planethoover on 11/04/06 at 7:49pm [quote Most of the typical Wal*Mart customers shun the stores' move to trendier high priced items (like its Metro 7 line of apparel)and Wal*Mart stores' customer base is shopping elsewhere. To halt the exodus, Wal*Mart is reverting back to its tried and true store philosophy. Catering to the average USA family income of $50,000 per year with brands and prices that appeal to their budgets and lifestyles. Carmine D.[/quote] Carmine, with all respect, I could not disagree with you more. WalMart would love nothing more than to expand here in the New York metropolitan area. The store I frequently shop at in New Jersey is five minutes from the Holland Tunnel, which leads directly into New York City. The floor was recently totally rearranged to highlight the better lines of clothing, particularly the George line of menswear....because this is precisely the type of merchandise we DEMAND. And we WANT them at the lowest possible price, and we can demand it...because we are surrounded by other, more established choices. WalMart cannot and will not survive in the markets they are trying to move into, unless they offer a cross-section of at least decent-quality offerings at favorable price points. I'm no Dyson synchophant, but their $379 offering deserves a chance in WalMart stores in this area. You should not have to settle for a machine that will last only two years when spending less than $100 for another that will most probably last five. If we are clever and resourceful enough to, let's say, raise a family of four in this region on less than $50,000, aren't we smart enough to make intelligent choices for ourselves without having these choices continually cheapened by the corporatist elite? |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 11/04/06 at 9:03pm Planethoover: I didn't make up these statements and I can't claim them as my own original opinions. The reversion back to the "old" Wal*Mart strategy comes directly from the recent Wal*Mart stockholders' meeting in NJ several weeks ago. The meeting also was followed by several meetings with industry analysts in which Wal*Mart Execs said it would cut back on store openings next year and revive it's old roll back prices. I'm sure the Star Ledger carried the news stories of the meetings. The rest of the statements I posted, like Wal*Mart halting its store renovations (it's believed they caused customer disruptions and buyers stayed away), poor results with its Metro 7 line of apparel and other trendy clothing lines, recent huge price discounts on current store items including electronics like plasma HDTV's, and concern that its traditional customer base is shopping elsewhere, come from SEVERAL articles from Friday's (November 3) Wall Street Journal. They are attributed to either Wal*Mart officials speaking on behalf of the company and/or industry analysts who follow the retail sector. BTW both Wal*Mart associates and store managers confirm the above facts to me in conversations. Wal*Mart has over 4000 US stores and 2500 overseas stores. I'm sure store locations have their nuances depending on geographic area and income. The highest priced vacuums found in the Wal*Mart stores in North Las Vegas, including 2 Supercenters within several miles of each other, are the Electrolux Eureka GE canister for $160, the Dirt Devil Reaction 2 for $169, the Bissell Lift-off for $169, HOOVER WT for $159 and an array of other vacuums mostly bagless in the $50-$150 price range including the DD Reaction 1 that was added just recently. And these vacuum brands and models at these prices move off the shelves quickly. I will be surprised to see the BISSELL HEALTHY HOME vacuums because of the $298 price. But one never knows. It may get a shot. The HOOVER FUSION for $112 is a huge selling success at these stores. One of the best selling vacuums. BTW from my personal observation and experience, these Wal*Mart stores also carry the George line of menswear (at least the George brand of underwear). :) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 11/07/06 at 10:55pm Kohl's has the new BISSELL Healthy Home vacuum for sale at stores for $299 and the Momentum for $99. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 11/08/06 at 5:15pm VacOMatic wrote:
I believe the model is called the "Velocity" and is priced at $129. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 11/08/06 at 5:16pm TARGET stores has the Euro-Pro Infinity (blue) for $219 and the BISSELL HEALTHY HOME for $299 (before sales and discounts.) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by johncainltd on 11/17/06 at 12:27pm Just saw the Infinity last night at Best Buy for the first time. On both models, the wand/handle assembly would not come out of the machine when the latch release was pushed. The belt started slipping when I lowered the brush onto the low pile carpeting. Decent suction, though. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Mike_W. on 11/17/06 at 3:15pm I am finally seeing the commercials for Euro Pro's Infinity upright. I have not seen the commercial for the Bissell Healthy Home yet. I was surprised to see a commercial for the Kenmore Progressive canisters last week. I thought "Wow"! It has been too long. It seems that there have been a flurry of vacuum cleaner commercials lately, even Dyson. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 11/17/06 at 5:44pm Mike_W. wrote:
Holiday Season sales 2006. Alot of new vacuums will be sold by year end. First for presents and gifts and then to clean up the mess after the holidays and before the New Year. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by planethoover on 11/18/06 at 1:42am Yes-and I'm so curious to see how the Infinity sells, post-returns. I really thought the TV ad I saw was well-done. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by lionsweeperuser on 11/18/06 at 5:29pm Within the past couple of weeks, I have seen commercials for the new Bissell cyclonic upright, Health Home. The commercials may have been on the Food Network, which I watch too often! |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 11/18/06 at 7:53pm johncainltd wrote:
I have not had any problems releasing the telescopic wands from the handle holster and/or extending and contracting the wands. Both wand release buttons (holster and extension) worked fine on the Infinity models I've tested so far. However, I noticed that you have to really force the wands back into the handle holster with some umpf to ensure they are secure and lock in place. There is a small square nub on the bottom wand that engages and disengages the wands from the vacuum with the wand release button. I suspect the extra force needed to holster the wands is intentional to ensure the wands are locked into the handle holster. When users lift and move the vacuum by the handle grip the wands will remain locked in place in the handle holster and will not come apart from the vacuum. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by It_Sucks on 11/18/06 at 10:31pm Just browsing through the Bissell website, and stumbled upon two brand new 'dual-cyclone' uprights... The Bissell 'Velocity' http://www.bissell.com/images/Features/3950.jpg And the 'Total Floors Velocity' http://www.bissell.com/images/Features/3990.jpg |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by VacOMatic on 11/19/06 at 1:31am The B. Velocity seems to be what Walmart is now selling. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 11/22/06 at 8:49pm I saw the purple BISSELL Velocity at Target today. It sells for $129. Like all the new bagless vacuums coming to market in the USA, it is "multi" cyclonic too and claims to sustain constant suction and keep the filters clean. This Target store (in North Las Vegas) also has the teal E-P Infinity upright for $219. The most expensive bagless upright is the dyson DC17 Absolute Animal for $549, not displayed but boxed on the shelf. The DC16 is displayed and the price is $149. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by just-passing-throu on 12/04/06 at 10:35am I saw the Euro Pro Vacs this weekend at Target. They had two models a red one and a green one. I don't remember what the price was on the Red one, I believe it was $199, and the green one was $249. At first glance it was small compared to the machine it was copied from. Unfortunately the way Target displays their vacs it is hard to really get you hands on one of them for a test ride, or to give it a lift. My first impression was that it was, of course, plastic and the hoses connecting the collection chamber to the rug nozzle seemed a little flimsey. All in all I think the machine will fill a space for lower cost bagless vacs. I guess only time will tell, but it didn't look very durable to me, and judging from previous Euro Pro products; I myself would be leery. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 12/04/06 at 5:14pm just-passing-throu wrote:
J-P-T: If you don't mind me correcting you: It's the reverse. The teal Infinity is $199 (MSRP) and the red is $249. Both are sold at all the big box retailers. It appears from the motor housing that the Infinity red MAY have a larger motor (but still 12 amps like the teal). I can't say for sure until I break both down. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by just-passing-throu on 12/05/06 at 9:59am Carmine, I don't mind you correcting me at all. I had stated that I wasn't sure of the pricing, but at aleast I got them correct, just switched. My original opinion still stands, I would have to see and hear more before I would trust these machines; as Shark has not been the most trustworthy brand in the past. I do, however, want to be fair, as everyone has the right to improve. This vac may be Euro's flagship of recovery. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 12/05/06 at 10:19am What's very different for these new Infinity models and bodes well for the E-P brand is their pervasive availability among all the big box retailers. This is very unusual based on past industry experiences with E-P Shark models. And it indicates a potential willingness and admission for E-P to rise in the ranks of the big box retailers' standings. In a recent Wall Street Journal review of bagless vacuums the teal E-P Infinity model (not even the top of the line) fared well. Just to be mentioned by the WSJ and compared with the likes of HOOVER and dyson I believe was a win win for E-P. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 12/18/06 at 10:19pm The new teal Euro-Pro Shark Infinity is selling very well at all the major big box retailers. Some Kohl's stores are reporting shortage problems and having difficulty with keeping them in inventory and on the shelves, especially now during the Holiday sales season. The stores have resorted to selling the display models. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 12/22/06 at 7:51pm Another new cyclonic upright from BISSELL to complement the BISSELL Velocity ($122) and HEALTHY HOME ($298) line: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5031454&adid=1500000000000003070940&dest=113024 At just $89 retail with turbo brush, 15 inch cleaning swath, and HEPA rated, it's poised to compete with the HOOVER Elite ($99) and FUSION ($89). Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 01/21/07 at 7:20am BISSELL has a new TV ad for its "HEALTHY HOME" model. A very good ad too. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by lionsweeperuser on 01/21/07 at 6:36pm Has anyone here had a chance to try the Bissell "Healthy Home"? Jim K. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 01/24/07 at 7:56am lionsweeperuser wrote:
Hello Jim: I retrieved these reviews off the amazon web site. http://www.amazon.com/BISSELL-5770-Healthy-Bagless-Upright/dp/customer-reviews/B000HS28AK The Feb 2007 GoodHousekeeping also has an ad for the new BISSELL HEALTHY HOME under its "keepers fun new finds." The comments state: Breathe easy with multi-cyclonic technology that delivers superior cleaning. In the vacuum, AireTight HEPA filtration purifies the air, and Microban protection fights odor causing bacteria. To learn more about the HEALTHY HOME Vacuum and how you can enter to win a $10,000 Healthy Home Makeover visit: http://www.bissell.com/Products/product.asp?product_id=HealthyHomeVacuum And the BISSELL logo: BISSELL WE MEAN CLEAN. The HEALTHY HOME has the GoodHousekeeping Seal and an MSRP of $299. For over 40 years I had a sign displayed in my store: A clean home, is a HEALTHY HOME. You think BISSELL took a cue from me on the name? Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by guess_who on 01/24/07 at 5:09pm Hi gang, Just wanted to mention that the teal Euro Pro is now selling for $179.00 at my local Best Buy. Even better, the staff has been allowed to use it to the store. (There is no carpeting in the aisle where it and the rest of teh vacuums are displayed but it is full of dust. Let loose and on their own, Best Buy staff can't seta better example for proving the worth of your buck when it comes to vacuums. CR should probably look to some of them for some real test ideas. The demo model apparently had not been emptied for several usese but I did note, that the mesh shroud within the dust container has about an eighth of an inch of dust adhering to it the remainder of the dirt is compacted at the bottom of the bin. The upper portion of the machine is also seems to show a great deal of dust but I did not take it down to check for signs of leakage or blowback. Venson |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 03/03/07 at 8:54pm BISSELL is now offeirng a $30 mail-in-rebate on the HEALTHY HOME. Combined with the lower price of $249 and $30 rebate, that's $219 for a bagless upright with 9 cyclones and a 2 year warranty. And rated "Very Good" by Consumer Reports and ranked 10, beating out 2 of the other more expensive bagless brand models. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/02/07 at 5:32pm Costco stores are launching a Euro-Pro exclusive bagless upright model also called the Infinity for $199. It looks exactly like the existing "teal" model except it is powder blue and has the model suufix "COS.". It has the Pet Care system too: 12 inch bare floor brush and turbo tool. 30 foot cord. 2 year warranty. 24 washable cyclones. 17 foot reach. Nice bagless vacuum for the money. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/04/07 at 8:07am Several recent events bode well for EP-Shark in the vacuum industry in the USA. This is one. COSTCO prides itself on the incomes of its members. $70K plus a year. An exclusive EP-Shark Infinity model for COSTCO stores is a huge step toward acceptance and approval for the company by the "big dogs." Matching up with dyson in a Wall Street Journal survey of bagless vacuums (the teal model vice the DC17) and the parts distribution improvements are the others. EP's low end model versus dyson's top of the line. Interesting? The EP-Shark Infinity has a light to remind users to clean the HEPA lifelong filter. The more expensive bagless model does not. Then again, the Infinity has a headlight and the more expensive bagless model does not. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by cprohman on 04/05/07 at 6:00pm There seem to be more and more bagless vacuums in the stores every time I go in, and less bagged vacuums. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/05/07 at 6:48pm cprohman wrote:
Hello CPro: If you are referring to COSTCO stores, bagged and bagless vacuums are equally weighted in the North Las Vegas store (and I suspect the same is true for all 800 stores nationwide). COSTCO's premium vacuum line is Electrolux both upright and canisters (owned by Eureka). All of which are bagged and retail in the $300 price range. COSTCO stores also carry the Eureka Boss Smart Vac, a seasoned bagged upright, for about $149. And the HOOVER WT bagged on sale now for $217 with the 20 foot hose extension and one year supply of fitrette bags. COSTCO's bagless brands are the dyson (DC14 Total Clean for $469) and several upright Eureka models like the Ultima and Optima for less than $100. And of course the IRobot Rhomba line which has sold very well. The Euro-Pro Shark Infinity exclusive COS bagless model is the newest to the vacuum line at COSTCO. I don't think its even made it onto the Web site yet. And for $199 will compete head on with the dyson DC14. A very good bagless competitor for the dyson DC14 because it is less expensive and much lighter. I would agree with you about the proclivity for bagless vacuums but I have to add the following to it: Bagless models are on the rise at the big box retail stores and at lower and lower retail prices. The top of the line vacuum brands and models are and still have stayed bagged despite the dyson fad (which is going on 5 years old now). These are the vacuum brands sold primarily through the network of nationwide vacuum store independents, the vacuum pros with the expertise. And similarly COSTCO stores, despite the highest members' average yearly income of all the price club stores, has not added any of the other dyson products (like the DC16 Hand Held and DC17, DC18 and DC21) to its in store vacuum inventory. Although the COSTCO stores are the most likely venue due to the members' yearly incomes. Will the latest and greatest dysons be added? Time will tell. In the meantime, the Infinity bagless is on sale right smack dab next to the dyson DC14. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/24/07 at 8:52am The COSTCO store in N. Las Vegas elevated the location of new Euro-Pro Infinity Bagless "excluziv" to the store's main entrance: Display model and pallets full of cartons. As shoppers enter and are checked for membership cards, the new model is right there. A location with a captive audience. The model has been a top selling vacuum for the store in the past few weeks. And was deemed worthy of separation from the other vacuums and the vacuum aisle for its own premium location space. $199 MSRP. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright Post by cprohman on 04/24/07 at 10:39am Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Having never seen a Costco, no, I wasn't. The stores around here that sell vacuums are the big boxes. |
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