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Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright
Reply #20 - 10/02/06 at 4:27pm
 
More "bush-ism' from the mouth of Carmin.  He loves the 'fusion" (his quote "very good") yet it's the worst cleaner for spewing dust from the exhaust, so bad that Communist Reports rates is unacceptable not once but twice.  I guess that means Carmin likes the WORST vacuums. Any cleaner he recommends can be said to be horrible.  Or he just doesn't know what he's saying (I prefer to think the later).
 
I'm very surprised Mike W didn't mention what a hunk of junk the new Shark Infinity was.  He could have saved me three hours of driving to the Linens and Things store, buying the cleaner, taking it home, discovering that it was HORRIBLE JUNK, and returning it to Linens and Things for a full refund, less than 24 hours later.
 
The first thing I did when getting it home (bought the blue one) was to suck up two cups (16 ounces) of bar b que pit ashes.  This tests the limits of the filtration system.  A Dyson handles it well, with no dust in the exhaust.  The Shark was horrendous.  Filled the room with white ash dust. Clogged up both filters (pre and post motor).  The 24 cyclones on the Shark do NOT WORK PROPERLY (I wish Mike would have mentioned it), since they are NOT tapered. They are simply low efficiency cyclones, removing almost none of the fine dust.  The Shark is NOT a copy of the Dyson, because a copy (which is a form of flattery) would have worked properly IF they would have copied the Dyson exactly.  
 
The Shark is like any other Euro-Pro product - terrible.
 
So far, ONLY L.G. has copied the Dyson and made a machine that works PROPERLY (the Kenmore Iradium canister and forthcoming Dyna-Clean upright).  After all these months, I still think the world of the Kenmore Iradium canister. What a fantastic machine.  Unlike the waste-of-money that the Shark Infinity is.
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Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright
Reply #21 - 10/02/06 at 5:35pm
 
Quote from dualcyclone on 10/02/06 at 4:27pm:
More "bush-ism' from the mouth of Carmin.  .

 
The HOOVER FUSION and Wal*Mart are the perfect venue.  Sam's Club and the HOOVER FUSION Plus are the perfect venue.  Remember Dual when you said on the Forum that the FUSION Plus was HEPA rated and we knew it wasn't.  It has a floor tool and a longer hose than the Wal*Mart HOOVER FUSION.
 
BTW both "sourced" HOOVER vacuums are selling well for their retailers.  And have been for more than a year.  Despite the CR admonition.  CR is a guide, not the gospel.  People buy the best value for their money and apparently based on the FUSION and FUSION Plus sales after over one year, HOOVER not dyson is the best value for Wal*Mart and Sam's Club shoppers.  At $109 the HOOVER FUSION Plus at Sam's is a value and a buy.  (What was dyson thinking?  Did it learn the lesson the first time with the All Carpet?  Or will there be a repeat performance?).
 
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Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright
Reply #22 - 10/02/06 at 8:26pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 10/02/06 at 5:35pm:
Quote from dualcyclone on 10/02/06 at 4:27pm:
More "bush-ism' from the mouth of Carmin.  .


The HOOVER FUSION and Wal*Mart are the perfect venue.  Sam's Club and the HOOVER FUSION Plus are the perfect venue.  Remember Dual when you said on the Forum that the FUSION Plus was HEPA rated and we knew it wasn't.  It has a floor tool and a longer hose than the Wal*Mart HOOVER FUSION.

BTW both "sourced" HOOVER vacuums are selling well for their retailers.  And have been for more than a year.  Despite the CR admonition.  CR is a guide, not the gospel.  People buy the best value for their money and apparently based on the FUSION and FUSION Plus sales after over one year, HOOVER not dyson is the best value for Wal*Mart and Sam's Club shoppers.  At $109 the HOOVER FUSION Plus at Sam's is a value and a buy.  (What was dyson thinking?  Did it learn the lesson the first time with the All Carpet?  Or will there be a repeat performance?).

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I also wonder why Dyson would put premium vacuum in a bargain store.
 
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Reply #23 - 10/03/06 at 8:27am
 
No, unless CR misses the point which it sometimes does.  For $100, US vacuum consumers are not looking for a superb air filtering vacuum, they are looking for a best value rug and floor vacuuming product.  And based on sales of the HOOVER FUSION and HOOVER FUSION plus at Wal*Mart and Sam's, they find it.  Perfect venue and match.  
 
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Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright
Reply #24 - 10/03/06 at 12:49pm
 
Quote from dualcyclone on 10/02/06 at 4:27pm:
More "bush-ism' from the mouth of Carmin. He loves the 'fusion" (his quote "very good") yet it's the worst cleaner for spewing dust from the exhaust, so bad that Communist Reports rates is unacceptable not once but twice. I guess that means Carmin likes the WORST vacuums. Any cleaner he recommends can be said to be horrible. Or he just doesn't know what he's saying (I prefer to think the later).

 
You know this is getting ridiculous.  You are commenting that Carmine recommends the Fusion series yet you have done the same.  There have been at least two times that you have recommended the Fusion.  To add to that, when you recommend this vacuum cleaner, none of the others who complain to Carmine for recommending the Fusion complain about your recommending the machine. All that is being done is spend time trying to find fault w/ Carmine.  That is such a waste to this forum.  This is not the find fault w/ Carmine forum.  
 
 
Quote from dualcyclone on 10/02/06 at 4:27pm:
I'm very surprised Mike W didn't mention what a hunk of junk the new Shark Infinity was. He could have saved me three hours of driving to the Linens and Things store, buying the cleaner, taking it home, discovering that it was HORRIBLE JUNK, and returning it to Linens and Things for a full refund, less than 24 hours later.

The first thing I did when getting it home (bought the blue one) was to suck up two cups (16 ounces) of bar b que pit ashes. This tests the limits of the filtration system. A Dyson handles it well, with no dust in the exhaust. The Shark was horrendous. Filled the room with white ash dust. Clogged up both filters (pre and post motor). The 24 cyclones on the Shark do NOT WORK PROPERLY (I wish Mike would have mentioned it), since they are NOT tapered. They are simply low efficiency cyclones, removing almost none of the fine dust. The Shark is NOT a copy of the Dyson, because a copy (which is a form of flattery) would have worked properly IF they would have copied the Dyson exactly.

The Shark is like any other Euro-Pro product - terrible.

So far, ONLY L.G. has copied the Dyson and made a machine that works PROPERLY (the Kenmore Iradium canister and forthcoming Dyna-Clean upright). After all these months, I still think the world of the Kenmore Iradium canister. What a fantastic machine. Unlike the waste-of-money that the Shark Infinity is.

 
Take responsibility for your own actions.  You are the vacuum “enthusiast”.  If you want to drive to get the vacuum, that is your issue.   It is not like you do not have a vacuum cleaner to use.  It is very common for you to go purchase a vacuum cleaner, “play w/ it”, then return it coated w/ what you used.  This is not the first time, nor will it be the last time you do this.   I think everyone can see clearly how I felt about this machine.  Please reread my comments.
 
As for your way of “testing” a vacuum cleaner, well, dyson would even be upset by what you used.  No one recommends sucking up two cups of ash into the vacuum cleaner.  If this vacuum cleaner were used for regular, “real world” use, it would clean fine.  No vacuum cleaner, not even dyson, is perfect.
 
I think regulars know how I feel about Euro Pro.  I really have not changed that much.  I have noted some changes w/ regard to Euro Pro.  To make comments about this machine, knowing how I feel about the brand, shows an unbiased attitude.  Do you realize that you are putting down this “junk”(your words) when you were selling them, in your shop, under a different name, a few years ago?  Do you remember the brand name?  
 
Why have you not mentioned positives regarding the Infinity?  You are always talking about how an upright should have a long hose.  Well, they have long hoses.  This vacuum even has a stainless steel telescopic wand.  The handle can even be adjusted for people of different heights.
 
 
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Reply #25 - 10/03/06 at 5:39pm
 
I just want to point out that just because fusions are "flying off the shelves" doesn't make them good.  People bought Yugos as well, doesn't make them good.  I don't have any experience with fusions, but that reasoning doesn't make sense.  Someone said dirt devils were one of the highest sellers at a point in time... anyone who knows anything about vacuums and many people who don't know that they are the worst vacuum ever.  It just means there are a lot of "un-educated" for lack of a nicer word consumers.  I am a little confused...  How does the stock price of Wal-mart have anything to do with the Shark Infinity, or any vacuum?  Wal-mart doesn't just sell vacuums, and most of the ones they sell are terrible at best.
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Reply #26 - 10/04/06 at 7:44pm
 
The Infinity bagless is on sale at Kohls from October 4-9 for $199.99 before 10, 15 and 20 percent off stickers (on the sales catalogues).
 
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Reply #27 - 10/04/06 at 7:57pm
 
Quote from Vacuumfreeeke on 10/03/06 at 5:39pm:
I just want to point out that just because fusions are "flying off the shelves" doesn't make them good.  I don't have any experience with fusions, but that reasoning doesn't make sense.  Someone said dirt devils were one of the highest sellers at a point in time... anyone who knows anything about vacuums and many people who don't know that they are the worst vacuum ever.  It just means there are a lot of "un-educated" for lack of a nicer word consumers.  I am a little confused...  How does the stock price of Wal-mart have anything to do with the Shark Infinity, or any vacuum?  Wal-mart doesn't just sell vacuums, and most of the ones they sell are terrible at best.  

 
It depends on what you mean by "good."  A vacuum that breaks sales records within months of launch for a retailer's stores and then is added in a similar venue to affiliated chain of stores and continues to break sales records for both chains for almost a year is "good."
 
And the store venue (Wal*Mart and Sam's Club) for the product (HOOVER FUSION and HOOVER FUSION plus) is "good."  
 
And the price of both vacuums is "good."  
 
Wal*Mart has over ONE MILLION customers shop in their stores EACH WEEK.  Their sales of a particular brand and model affect and influence the entire sales market for that brand.  Is that "good?"  If it weren't, dyson and other vacuum brands wouldn't be negotiating to get and keep their makes and models in Wal*Mart stores and Sam's Club stores.
 
The NPD claims Dirt Devils were the most popular selling vacuum in unit sales for the period January 1-June 30, 2005.  For 2005, 20 million new vacuums were sold.  NPD is the authoritative industry source that many dyson fans use to quote dollar market share for dyson vacuums.  Dirt Devil had a substantial share of the new vacuum market in 2005, not counting its handcleaners which are the most popular selling handcleaner on the market and other Dirt Devil floorcare products, which many users like and buy.  Does popularity and sales make a product "good?"  In the majority of buyers' eyes, yes it does make the brand good.  Unless vacuum buyers are deliberately buying dirt devil vacuums because they believe the vacuums are bad?  
 
I know many well educated, professional, middle and upper income people who buy and use dirt devil vacuums and absolutely love them.  Men and women.  Are they all misguided pathethic vacuum users.  I've been to their homes.  I don't think so.  Their houses are healthy clean.   Smiley  
 
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Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright
Reply #28 - 10/04/06 at 9:30pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 10/04/06 at 7:57pm:
Quote from Vacuumfreeeke on 10/03/06 at 5:39pm:
I just want to point out that just because fusions are "flying off the shelves" doesn't make them good.  I don't have any experience with fusions, but that reasoning doesn't make sense.  Someone said dirt devils were one of the highest sellers at a point in time... anyone who knows anything about vacuums and many people who don't know that they are the worst vacuum ever.  It just means there are a lot of "un-educated" for lack of a nicer word consumers.  I am a little confused...  How does the stock price of Wal-mart have anything to do with the Shark Infinity, or any vacuum?  Wal-mart doesn't just sell vacuums, and most of the ones they sell are terrible at best.  


It depends on what you mean by "good."  A vacuum that breaks sales records within months of launch for a retailer's stores and then is added in a similar venue to affiliated chain of stores and continues to break sales records for both chains for almost a year is "good."

And the store venue (Wal*Mart and Sam's Club) for the product (HOOVER FUSION and HOOVER FUSION plus) is "good."  

And the price of both vacuums is "good."  

Wal*Mart has over ONE MILLION customers shop in their stores EACH WEEK.  Their sales of a particular brand and model affect and influence the entire sales market for that brand.  Is that "good?"  If it weren't, dyson and other vacuum brands wouldn't be negotiating to get and keep their makes and models in Wal*Mart stores and Sam's Club stores.

The NPD claims Dirt Devils were the most popular selling vacuum in unit sales for the period January 1-June 30, 2005.  For 2005, 20 million new vacuums were sold.  NPD is the authoritative industry source that many dyson fans use to quote dollar market share for dyson vacuums.  Dirt Devil had a substantial share of the new vacuum market in 2005, not counting its handcleaners which are the most popular selling handcleaner on the market and other Dirt Devil floorcare products, which many users like and buy.  Does popularity and sales make a product "good?"  In the majority of buyers' eyes, yes it does make the brand good.  Unless vacuum buyers are deliberately buying dirt devil vacuums because they believe the vacuums are bad?  

I know many well educated, professional, middle and upper income people who buy and use dirt devil vacuums and absolutely love them.  Men and women.  Are they all misguided pathethic vacuum users.  I've been to their homes.  I don't think so.  Their houses are healthy clean.   Smiley  

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Good for Wal Mart and Sam's does not relate to a quality product...  Wal Mart sells HDTV's, DVD players and HTIB.  I am sure that they have boosted sales for the manufacturers products that they sell.  This is good for Wal Mart, the manufacturer and those consumers who either can not afford better, do not know that there is better available or simply do not know better.  Still, the products that they sell are far from the greatest.
 
I have serious doubts that most well educated or upper income people care about a brand.  As long as the vac is operable they are content.  I have some very wealthy relatives with a Dyson.  It is always overfilled.  As long as it sucks why empty it.  Brilliant mentality.
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Reply #29 - 10/04/06 at 10:00pm
 
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Good for Wal Mart and Sam's does not relate to a quality product...  .

 
The price of the vacuum at Wal*Mart and Sam's Club and big box retailers doesn't relate to the quality of the product either:  Highest price big box vacuum doesn't mean best quality big box vacuum.  Just as lowest price big box vacuum doesn't mean worse quality big box vacuum.  
 
THe GE canister is a staple of the Wal*Mart stores since 2000.  $150 and consistently rated among the top canisters by Consumer Reports.  
 
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