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Re: BEST BUY And Sunday Parade
Reply #260 - 06/27/06 at 6:28pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio   on 06/27/06 at 2:06pm:
Interestingly the FT article quotes unit sales for washers and market value of sales for vacuums. For washers the FT cites 18,000 of the dyson washers sold in 2002 (its best sales year) and 2500 in 2005 (its worse sales year) when the washer was pulled off the market. James Dyson disagrees with the numbers. But does he give his own? No.

Well, it's good to have *some* figures to go on for once. 18,000 in the first year isn't too bad considering the higher than average price, but 2,500 in 2005 is poor. Although (non-pubic) businesses generally don't provide detailed breakdowns of poor selling lines, it's got to be said that Dyson are far from shy when presenting facts, figures, quotes and charts for their successes!
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio   on 06/27/06 at 2:06pm:
Also the value of market share of the dyson vacuums sold in the UK declined from 44 percent in 2004 to 37 percent in 2005, a steep drop. Reason: Fierce price competition in the vacuum industry in the UK. SOunds like the USA. James is silent on the sales drop for dyson vacuums from year to year in the UK.

Fierce competition? From where? All I see is clone after clone of 'bagless' vacuums with pleated filters. Cheap? yes, effective? No.  There's nothing remotely shaking up the market at present. In fact, it seems that many people are going 'bagless', finding themselves forever losing suction and cleaning filters, then making the switch to a Dyson, for a 'proper' bagless.  
 
Natural market saturation in a mature market will decrease Dyson's year on year sales to a point. Doubtless, the strategy of introducing regular new models with many new features is to give people with a perfectly working Dyson, an added incentive to upgrade.
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio   on 06/27/06 at 2:06pm:
And last but not least, I still detect a lingering resentment on the part of the UK people for the decision to relocate the production plant from Malmesbury to Malaysia. This is a recurring criticism of dyson and James that just won't go away. And may be a factor in the declining sales especially repeat customer business. Which? and the 7 years that dyson topped the worse reliability in vacuums may also be a contributing factor.

Carmine D.

Oh, it's still a factor, a huge thorn in their side for what seems like forever and a day. James Dyson points out in his 'Against the odds' book that Hoover UK never fully recovered their image from the 'Free Flights Fiasco'. Well, while Dyson have plenty of positive associations, the big negatives are the results of these reliability surveys and uprooting UK production. Even though the decision to move to Malaysia was made for sound economic reasons and had no reported impact on the local community (in fact other businesses in the Malmesbury area found it hard to recruit, difficult to complete with Dyson's pay and benefits).
 
Everything Dyson have presented since suggests that if they hadn't moved, they almost certainly wouldn't be in business, much less US market leader. But many still see them as this traitor to UK industry, without being aware of the full facts. I mean how many are aware that the Hoover brand here is actually from an Italian company? How many outside the immediate area know that 'Hoover' closed their production factory in Scotland not so long ago? In fact, at the time of the closure it was blamed by some on Dyson for being too successful! Oh well, that's PR, live by the sword...
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Reply #261 - 06/27/06 at 7:26pm
 
Add one more negative to Malaysia by James.
 
Senator Russ Feingold, head of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee, democratic presidential hopeful for 2008, and one half of the McCain Feingold Bill, said on national TV on Sunday June 25, 2006 that Malaysia and Indonesia have been added to the "watch list" of countries with increased anti-US terrorists, Al Qaeda activities and insurgents.  The other countries are Afganistan, Iran and North Korea.  
 
The increase has been a result of the Iraqi war and huge presence of US troops in that area.  This forced the new wave of terrorists to flee to safe havens of Malaysia and Indonesia for training and meeting.
 
As US troops are pulled out of Iraq as Feingold and General Casey have recommended, the US troops will be deployed to Malaysia and Indonesia to thwart the rise of anti-American terrorist activities in those countries (per Feingold).
 
Where are dyson vacuums made?
 
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Reply #262 - 06/28/06 at 9:58am
 
Islamic insurgents in Malyasia are hardly a new development.  Not quite sure what they have to do with the quality of a vacuum.  Seems kind of like linking the Chinese governments human rights abuses to the Hoovers made there, or the recent terror arrests in Florida to Disney.
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Reply #263 - 06/28/06 at 10:11am
 
China is not on the US "watch list" for terrorist activities.
Malaysia is.  James had no way to know it would be except that Indonesia and Malaysia were known safe havens for terrorists in 2002 when he located his plant in Malaysia.
 
China is slave labor without the guilt.  If I had a choice of the two countries for plant location (China and/or Malaysia), as a strictly business decision with political implications, I'd go with China based on the facts and circumstances of the two governments.    
 
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Reply #264 - 06/28/06 at 9:04pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio   on 06/28/06 at 10:11am:
China is not on the US "watch list" for terrorist activities.
Malaysia is. James had no way to know it would be except that Indonesia and Malaysia were known safe havens for terrorists in 2002 when he located his plant in Malaysia.

China is slave labor without the guilt. If I had a choice of the two countries for plant location (China and/or Malaysia), as a strictly business decision with political implications, I'd go with China based on the facts and circumstances of the two governments.

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HUh?  Malaysia is not on the terror watch list,whatever that is, perhaps you are talking about the list of countrys who sponsor terror.  Either way they are not on it and Feingold did not say they were.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13484195/
 
As for Malaysia in 2002 they were being praised for their support of the global anti terror effort and their pursuit of the terrorist groups that tend populate the islands between malaysia and indonesia not criticized as a safe haven.  
 
Kind of funny though if you check out the facts Feingold did say General Casey supports his pull out proposal but has been taking a beating as he "pulled a Carmine" and only used half of a Casey quote to misrepresent his position.
 
Now can you go back to misrepresenting vacuums instead of Countries and Generals who are supporting the war against terror.
 
 
PS.  Nice visiting you all and seeing that Hoover is still dominant and Dyson should be closing its doors any day now.  Perhaps I will check back again in a few months to see how that is still going.....   Wink
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Reply #265 - 06/29/06 at 3:50am
 
"HUh?  Malaysia is not on the terror watch list,whatever that is,............... Kind of funny though if you check out the facts Feingold did say General Casey supports his pull out proposal but has been taking a beating as he "pulled a Carmine" and only used half of a Casey quote to misrepresent his position. "  
 
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Whose misrepresenting? Read the transcript.  And THINK.
 
Here's the quote from Sen Feingold from the Meet the Press interview WRT terrorist activities increasing in Malaysia, Indonesia and Somalia:
 
"That is the way to have confidence in the process in Iraq and get us refocused on the broader fight against terrorism in those places in the world, Tim, where we’re losing ground. We’re losing ground in Afghanistan. We don’t have enough resources in Indonesia and Malaysia area in this regard. We have lost ground in Somalia. And the fact is that Iraq is draining our strength. I think General Casey knows that. And this plan is very similar to the type of thing that Senator Kerry and I actually proposed in the United States Senate this week."
 
Since the Senator made mention of Malaysia by name, it means Malaysia is on the Senate Foreign Relations Commitee's "terrorist watch list."  Sen. Feingold chairs the Committee.  45 countries including Iraq are on the terrorist "watch list."
 
WRT General Casey and the democratic troop withdrawal plans, news accounts since the interview assert with certainty that the republicans, Bush and the Pentagon have a troop withdrawal timetable.  The republicans are keeping it close to the vest until it is politically advantageous to disclose (mid term elections?).  The withdrawn troops will be redeployed to the countries where the US is "losing ground" to the terrorists.  This is the crux of the quote that I cited by the Senator.
 
Thanks for posting the link to the Feingold interview.  The full Feingold-Russert interview is worth a read despite the off subject topic.  It demonstrates the grave concerns our government leaders have with the rise of worldwide terrorism, Al Qaeda, and anti-American insurgencency and the countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Somalia (run by a known Al-Qaeda) and Afganistan that are on the "watch list."  
 
Where are the dyson vacuums made, again?
 
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Reply #266 - 06/29/06 at 12:01pm
 
Carmine,
  To answer your question Dyson Vacuums are made in Malaysia, I thought you knew that Wink.  I am confused by the point you are trying to make, though.  Yes there is Terrorism in that part of the world but the Malaysian government has been praised by many for thier support in the war against terrorists.  Are you proposing we send troops to help them in this but we shouldn't support their economy through trade?  The kind of funny thing about your argument bringing this full circle is the Malaysian government not only has experience fighting these Islamic style terrorists but they have long fought similar your apparantly preffered Chinese Communist based groups.
 
Either way can we get back to Vacuums and off politics?
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Reply #267 - 06/29/06 at 1:19pm
 
In the current printing of "Against The Odds" by James Dyson, the last chapter details Mr. Dyson's "Coming To America" story.  He talks about the decision to Move the factory from England to Malaysia, due to the fact that the town in England where the factory was located would NOT allow him to expand the factory.  He would NEVER have been able to make enough cleaners for the U.S. market (let along the WORLD market) in England had he not been able to expand the factory.
 
Perhaps he should have just bought the abandoned Hoover factory in North Canton, Ohio.  Now that Hoover makes new Hoovers in China.
 
James also talkes about the fact that Dyson cleaners are made (in Malaysia) in the SAME factory as Sony and Hewlett Packard.
 
The few companies that still make vacuums in America are Air-Way, Fairfax, Kirby, Rainbow, Thermax, and Silver King.  Don't know, off hand, of any others.
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Reply #268 - 06/29/06 at 8:20pm
 
Tacony makes all of their uprights here.  Before Tacony bought Riccar and Simplicity, they were also made in Asia.  "In sourcing."
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Reply #269 - 06/29/06 at 8:38pm
 
"The few companies that still make vacuums in America are Air-Way, Fairfax, Kirby, Rainbow, Thermax, and Silver King.  Don't know, off hand, of any others."
 
Many of the HOOVER vacuums, like the WindTunnel canister just to mention one, are made in the USA.
 
Add ORECK to the list of in-sourced vacuums of the USA.
 
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