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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #140 - 06/11/07 at 10:57pm
 
Quote from HARDSELL on 06/11/07 at 10:08pm:


Dyson could choose to introduce a POS like Hoover did every month or two.  They would rather introduce quality than to go downd the drain like hoover.

 
HELLO HARDSELL:
 
Dyson would have you talk about it for 5 years on the Forum with nothing to show except words: Dyson speak.
 
You agreed that dyson "steered in too many directions" and lost its focus [vacuums].  I kept the PM and can post it for you and the Forum if you disagree now and/or your memory fails.  
 
Get on topic my friend.  We're talking about the IRobot robotic vacuum.  And dyson's lack thereof, despite years of dyson speak to the contrary.  We're not talking about HOOVER.  Albeit a sidebar, the thread theme right now is how IRobot upstaged dyson in the robotic vacuum market.  HOOVER never filled this Forum with idle misspeak about grandiose plans for a robotic vacuum.  But dyson fawners did and still are.  For years now.  The dyson speak about robotics is so repetitious it's laughable.   News Flash:  Saying year after year that dyson is launching a robot vacuum doesn't really make it true.  In fact just the opposite.  After 5 years and all the talk, no one believes it.  
 
Here's the truth.  Dyson has nothing to offer in robotic vacuums AFTER 5 years.  Zilch.  Nada.  Just the banter of empty meaningless words by dyson fawners on this Forum.  And dyson can't impugn the world's leading robotics company which is selling MILLIONS of IRobots every year.   Wink  
 
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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #141 - 06/13/07 at 10:57pm
 
I wouldn't brag about Irobot's machines, if I were you. They have intrinsic design flaws, according to another forum. (Try www.roombareview for other peoples trials and tribulations).
 
I myself have the original Roomba silver UK version, and I think it is rather poor compared to the Electrolux Trilobite, which has a far better build quality.
 
My brother has the UK Roomba 'Discovery-type' model, and it is a slight improvement over the original, but is still left wanting in the design department.
 
The Roombas are very messy machines to empty; they tend to gather fluff in inaccessible places; the brushes have high failure rates; and there have been battery issues.
 
My sister has the Koolvac (a clone of the original Roomba), and it is as bad as the Roomba.
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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #142 - 06/14/07 at 7:15am
 
Hello Trilobite:
 
Not bragging about the IRobot performance.  It's adequate for the purpose and usage.  And the company does not make any outlandish and false claims about the products.  I will defend the company and the products.  Why?  IRobot was the FIRST TO MARKET FOR ROBOTIC VACUUMS in the USA and at one heck of a low price.  The singlemost revolutionary vacuuming product in history.  Period.  
 
And every household can afford one, if wanted.  MILLIONS sold and still.  Can it be better?  Of course it can.  What product in its very early stages of infancy can't be made better?  (Didn't it take James 5,174 prototypes for his dyson?)  Will IRobot get better?  I think that's a safe bet.
 
IRobot is the best on the market in comparison to the others.  I don't say so.  Consumer Reports does.  Here's the review: March 2006: "The IRobot cleaned as well as Karcher (Roboclean RC3000), which costs nearly 5 times as much.  Its edge brush also made it best among robots for edge cleaning, though you still pay less for many more capable, full sized vacuums."
 
Unless and until something better for the same price and/or slightly more (the Electrolux Trilobite EL520A is about $1500-$1800 with a run time of 50 minutes and weighs 12 pounds vice the IRobot for $300 with a 70 minute run time and 6 pounds), I rate IRobot first in its class, despite the crticism and shortcomings.  And the competition has had 5 years to come up with a better robot.  
 
The problem with some of the buyers and users of these IRobots is they have high expectations for the performance.  They expect the same results as a full sized vacuum with human supervision.  Good luck.  These are high hopes.  They are absolutely and unequivocably unrealistic.  
 
It's easy for all the critics to impugn IRobot and the company when they have nothing better to compare with it.  Produce and market a robotic competitor, then let's discuss it.   Wink
 
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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #143 - 06/14/07 at 10:02am
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 06/11/07 at 10:57pm:


Get on topic my friend.  We're talking about the IRobot robotic vacuum.  
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When I look at the title it looks to me to be a dyson new product thread.
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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #144 - 06/14/07 at 10:23am
 
Quote from JimB on 06/14/07 at 10:02am:
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 06/11/07 at 10:57pm:


Get on topic my friend.  We're talking about the IRobot robotic vacuum.  
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When I look at the title it looks to me to be a dyson new product thread.

 
Hello JimB:
 
Maybe you should read in and not out of context.  Or would you like a definition of sidebar?   Wink
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 06/11/07 at 10:57pm:
Quote from HARDSELL on 06/11/07 at 10:08pm:


Dyson could choose to introduce a POS like Hoover did every month or two. They would rather introduce quality than to go downd the drain like hoover.


HELLO HARDSELL:

Get on topic my friend. We're talking about the IRobot robotic vacuum. And dyson's lack thereof, despite years of dyson speak to the contrary. We're not talking about HOOVER. Albeit a sidebar, the thread theme right now is how IRobot upstaged dyson in the robotic vacuum market.

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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #145 - 06/14/07 at 3:26pm
 
Or maybe jim should give you a definition of "on-topic". Grin
 
In any case, continuing the off-topic "sidebar", is the IRobot a vacuum? I really haven't looked at it, but I thought it was just a sweeper. Does it actually generate suction? If so, how much (CFM, lift, Airwatts)?
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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #146 - 06/14/07 at 3:55pm
 
Quote from cprohman on 06/14/07 at 3:26pm:
Or maybe jim should give you a definition of "on-topic". Grin

In any case, continuing the off-topic "sidebar", is the IRobot a vacuum? I really haven't looked at it, but I thought it was just a sweeper. Does it actually generate suction? If so, how much (CFM, lift, Airwatts)?

 
Hello Carl:
 
Or maybe JimB more appropriately could have directed his admonishment to all the posters who engaged in the sidebar, not just me.  Starting with HARDSELL who was not only off topic but was off-topic on the sidebar.   Wink
 
As far as the answer to your question, its been covered on the Forum.  You were probably on hiatus.  You snooze you lose.  
 
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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #147 - 06/14/07 at 6:59pm
 
Quote from cprohman on 06/14/07 at 3:26pm:
Or maybe jim should give you a definition of "on-topic". Grin

In any case, continuing the off-topic "sidebar", is the IRobot a vacuum? I really haven't looked at it, but I thought it was just a sweeper. Does it actually generate suction? If so, how much (CFM, lift, Airwatts)?

 
The Roombas are primarily motorised sweepers, supplemented by a low powered suction unit. The machines basically flick the larger debris into a tray, and the suction unit deals with the fine stuff. Hair and fluff tends to get wrapped around the 'bottle brush' style brush, which has to be cleaned regularly. They navigate by crashing and bashing into items of furniture.
 
The Roombas are fine upon bare floors and short pile carpets, but hopeless on deeper pile carpets (the brush motors strain). Fluff also gets above the floating brush carriage/deck - in beside the motors, electronics, and rotating shafts.
 
At least the Trilobite machine was designed by a bonafide vacuum cleaner company, and can work on deeper pile carpets; uses ultrasonic sonar as the main detection system (tactile bumping is a backup). The suction port is in the vicinity of the agitator cavity, so dirt released by agitation is efficiently caught. The agitator has only rubber inserts: I would redesign it to incorporate a bristle-brush insert too.
 
The original Roombas used the 'dirty fan' vacuum method: the fine dust was sucked into the fan and blown into the filter box. Rather dusty, to say the least, and fluff tended to get caught in the fan.
 
The current models use the 'clean fan' method: a filter prevents the dust entering the fan.
 
With regard to the Karcher (also sold in Europe as a silver Siemens), the off-loading of the collected dust is a very sensible idea. I wish all robots could do that trick.
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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #148 - 06/14/07 at 7:34pm
 
Industry Narrative about the IRobot:
 
"The Roomba Robotic Floorvac has changed the way people clean their homes. It's the number one selling robotic vacuum in the world. Now, the next generation of Roomba's are here: the Roomba Discovery Robotic Floorvacs. The Roomba Discovery line is designed to make cleaning more efficient and easier than using a traditional upright vacuum.  
 
A Roomba vacuums most home floor surfaces including hardwood, laminate, linoleum, low-pile carpet, medium-pile carpet, tile, slate, and other hard surfaces. Roomba is not designed for shag carpet. Roomba's compact shape (it measures 3.5 inches tall and 13 inches in diameter) allows it to clean completely under beds, couches and other furniture, so Roomba cleans more of your floor than standard uprights. "
 
As I said in a previous post, IRobot does not make outlandish and false claims about product performance.  
 
And a litany of customer reviews of the IRobot (averaging 4.5 out of 5) in association with smart-reviews and amazon.com.
 
http://www.smart-review.com/reviews/roomba4210-review.html
 
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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #149 - 06/14/07 at 8:08pm
 
A usual Carmine is doing the side step.  My point was that Dyson does not put a product on the market just to beat the competetion.  Dyson is the competition.  Hoover went busted trying to compete.  Regardless of the product the principle is the same.  Quality before quantity.
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