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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #230 - 04/29/07 at 7:08pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/27/07 at 9:32pm:
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Absolutely ingenious.  Dear Wife loves it!  We ordered another for her Mother for her 85 birthday.  More details to come.

BTW, I received a frantic email one evening earlier this week from my dear [dyson loving] friend here in LV.  Seems the DC07 Animal got clogged with pet hair.  She removed the soleplate (she's an engineer) and cleared the hair and reinstalled.  She said that since the event she is constantly getting a grinding noise whenever she hits the vacuum against the wall or piece of furniture.  And on the throw rugs.  I presume she's describing the ratcheting noise.   She went back to the 1995 purchased Tri-Star until I can take a look at the DC07.  She is anxious to use the new Oreck which she initially judged as a vacuum only her Grandmother would use.   Wink

I mentioned the new dyson DC18 Slim lightweight at 16 pounds.  Her response: 16 pounds is not lightweight.  Sounds like a definite future Oreck user.

Carmine D.  



 
Your mother in law is 85 and you have been telling us that you are 80.  Did you rob the cradle?
 
The Oreck will not likely clog.  It will not pull enough dirt out to clog.
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #231 - 04/29/07 at 7:15pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/28/07 at 10:33pm:
Quote from HARDSELL on 04/23/07 at 7:03pm:


I am not taken on for criticizing Oreck because the intelligent readers know that it has poor performance and that it takes a gimmick to sell it.



HARDSELL:

I've used the ORECK XL for several days now and I can say with absolute and unequivocal certainty that you are as wrong (or dishonest) as you can be.  Quite in contradiction to your criticism of ORECK it has performed superbly on my medium pile looped wool Mohawk carpets, our area rugs, ceramic tile floors and numerous throw rugs.  Both cleaning and grooming the rugs and restoring them to their new look and feel.  My ORECK XL cost $149, it is the bottom of the line model, and no giveaways.  I also paid the $29 shipping and $16 for 8 additional bags.  As I mentioned, my dear Wife and I are so impressed with its performance she ordered one for her Mother for a birthday gift.  

If an ORECK can clean and groom my wool Mohawk medium pile carpets, and the dyson DC07 pink cannot, in comparison I recommend the ORECK over dyson for rug and floor cleaning without reservation.  

As I mentioned, I plan to loan the Oreck to a good and dear friend who has been a DC07 Animal dyson user for the last 2 years and quite satisfied until she encountered  a recent dyson glitch/problem.  As I mentioned, she is an engineer.  Aerospace.  I look forward to getting her reactions too.  And I will share those with you unless she wants to do so herself.  Smiley

Carmine D.

 
What method did you use to determine how much dirt the Oreck has removed?  After all it would be dishonest to make a statement of unequivocal certainty unless there is proof of the performance.  
 
Your friend must have a filthy home if her vacuum clogged, regardless of the brand.
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #232 - 04/29/07 at 7:19pm
 
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My dear Wife was much younger than me when we married.  Now the age difference is almost negligible.  The benefits of aging together.  Wink
 
My good and dear dyson loving friend has 4 dogs and 2 pre-school aged sons.  She's married to a Brit aho bought the dyson DC07 Animal.  Pet hair is the clogging culprit.  
 
If you read my test criteria for carpet cleaning, you know how I determined the carpets were clean after using the Oreck.  
 
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #233 - 04/29/07 at 8:26pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/29/07 at 7:19pm:
HS:

My dear Wife was much younger than me when we married.  Now the age difference is almost negligible.  The benefits of aging together.  Wink

My good and dear dyson loving friend has 4 dogs and 2 pre-school aged sons.  She's married to a Brit aho bought the dyson DC07 Animal.  Pet hair is the clogging culprit.  

If you read my test criteria for carpet cleaning, you know how I determined the carpets were clean after using the Oreck.  

Carmine D.

 
I do not recall reading how you determined the performance of the Oreck in real life useage while cleaning the home.  Please direct me to the post.  Could you just be referring to the plastic peanuts?
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #234 - 04/29/07 at 11:45pm
 
Quote from HARDSELL on 04/29/07 at 8:26pm:


I do not recall reading how you determined the performance of the Oreck in real life useage while cleaning the home.  Please direct me to the post.  Could you just be referring to the plastic peanuts?

 
 
Here are the pertinent posts.  No sense repeating all this information when it's already available.  You must have confused OT's popcorn test with "peanuts."  
 
Quote from old-timer on 04/23/07 at 9:33am:
Hi Carmine, In your Oreck/Dyson review,test, what parameters are you going to use,flat out carpet cleaning?.attachment use?[I know the XL doesnt have any],ease of use,are you going to judge company against company?.

You are comparing a 150.00 low buck upright against Dysons 470.00 latest.If you just look at the cost difference most people would say the dysons should win hands down.

Just give a good honest review.

 O.T.

 
 
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/23/07 at 12:09pm:
Hello Jimmy P/OT:

Good questions and still in process of determining the benchmarks.  Some are very easy:  It's easy to see when the HOOVER WT is used on my wool carpets:  The pile is refreshed and not matted down.  Even the Eureka and RICCAR (with metal brush rollers and beater bars) don't have the same effect as the H-WT.  Curious to see how the Oreck does.  I have no doubt that the Oreck will perform marvelously on the bare ceramic floors (about 75 percent of the house).

Also, the HOOVER has an embedded dirt finder.  It was not uncommon after using the dyson DC07 pink, which was extremely difficult to push and pull and constantly gave me the ratcheting noises, to use the HOOVER and have the red light appear as I vacuumed the same areas just vacuumed with the dyson.  Not so with the Eureka and RICCAR (both old vacuums).  Curious to perform the same procedure with the Oreck and HOOVER and see what happens.

Then the other usual signs.  How much of the pet hair gets into the bag without wrapping around the brush roller and sticking to the underside of the vacuum.  THis is an excellent test on wool rugs, in particular.  Especially in the hot dry climate of the desert which is inclined to static electricity.  The dyson was miserable.  THe HOOVER better.  But the Eureka and RICCAR are the best because of the metal soleplates.

And the coup de grace.  A good and dear friend here in Vegas has the DC07 Animal.  She is married to a Brit.  She loves her dyson.  I have asked her to use the ORECK too and will want to get her reaction.  She has two floors, rugs and bare floors and two dogs.  Her dyson is slightly more than 2 years old.  

Attachments are out.  None on the Oreck.  And you're right this is the bottom of the line Oreck not the top of line XL21 hence the $149.  

If you have any suggestions, let me know.  

Carmine D.

 
Quote from old-timer on 04/23/07 at 3:45pm:
Hi Carmine,are you going to try the popcorn test?.See if you can get your hands on kapoc.And try the confetti thing.And just for kicks start with the oreck bag half full.
And dont forget the scent tab............

 O.T.

 
After the Oreck paper bag is half full from use, I'll pass along to my dyson friend with the DC07 Animal.  She has used the dyson for about 2 years.  Just recently had to change up to her 1995 Tristar because the dyson is acting up.  And the ratcheting noises affect her pets so she had to retire the dyson.  I think it just fell out of warranty from what she tells me, in part because it was a Christmas present from her husband and stayed new in the box for several months during a move.  She actually got less than 2 years of actual usage before having problems.  She will probably go the dyson HELPLINE route to see if they will cover under warranty/authorized dyson dealer for repair.  While she was satisfied with the dyson performance up until just recently, she said that she would not have bought it herself.  Unlike most people when I ask where the dyson is made, she did not say England.  She said China (close).  Probably her engineering background.    
 
As an aerospace engineer I'm sure she can make up her mind on the Oreck's performance and how it compares with her current and past vacuums.  And what vacuum to buy to replace the DC07 Animal.
 
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #235 - 04/30/07 at 7:14pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/29/07 at 11:45pm:
Quote from HARDSELL on 04/29/07 at 8:26pm:


I do not recall reading how you determined the performance of the Oreck in real life useage while cleaning the home.  Please direct me to the post.  Could you just be referring to the plastic peanuts?



Here are the pertinent posts.  No sense repeating all this information when it's already available.  You must have confused OT's popcorn test with "peanuts."  

Quote from old-timer on 04/23/07 at 9:33am:
Hi Carmine, In your Oreck/Dyson review,test, what parameters are you going to use,flat out carpet cleaning?.attachment use?[I know the XL doesnt have any],ease of use,are you going to judge company against company?.

You are comparing a 150.00 low buck upright against Dysons 470.00 latest.If you just look at the cost difference most people would say the dysons should win hands down.

Just give a good honest review.

 O.T.




Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/23/07 at 12:09pm:
Hello Jimmy P/OT:

Good questions and still in process of determining the benchmarks.  Some are very easy:  It's easy to see when the HOOVER WT is used on my wool carpets:  The pile is refreshed and not matted down.  Even the Eureka and RICCAR (with metal brush rollers and beater bars) don't have the same effect as the H-WT.  Curious to see how the Oreck does.  I have no doubt that the Oreck will perform marvelously on the bare ceramic floors (about 75 percent of the house).

Also, the HOOVER has an embedded dirt finder.  It was not uncommon after using the dyson DC07 pink, which was extremely difficult to push and pull and constantly gave me the ratcheting noises, to use the HOOVER and have the red light appear as I vacuumed the same areas just vacuumed with the dyson.  Not so with the Eureka and RICCAR (both old vacuums).  Curious to perform the same procedure with the Oreck and HOOVER and see what happens.

Then the other usual signs.  How much of the pet hair gets into the bag without wrapping around the brush roller and sticking to the underside of the vacuum.  THis is an excellent test on wool rugs, in particular.  Especially in the hot dry climate of the desert which is inclined to static electricity.  The dyson was miserable.  THe HOOVER better.  But the Eureka and RICCAR are the best because of the metal soleplates.

And the coup de grace.  A good and dear friend here in Vegas has the DC07 Animal.  She is married to a Brit.  She loves her dyson.  I have asked her to use the ORECK too and will want to get her reaction.  She has two floors, rugs and bare floors and two dogs.  Her dyson is slightly more than 2 years old.  

Attachments are out.  None on the Oreck.  And you're right this is the bottom of the line Oreck not the top of line XL21 hence the $149.  

If you have any suggestions, let me know.  

Carmine D.


Quote from old-timer on 04/23/07 at 3:45pm:
Hi Carmine,are you going to try the popcorn test?.See if you can get your hands on kapoc.And try the confetti thing.And just for kicks start with the oreck bag half full.
And dont forget the scent tab............

 O.T.


After the Oreck paper bag is half full from use, I'll pass along to my dyson friend with the DC07 Animal.  She has used the dyson for about 2 years.  Just recently had to change up to her 1995 Tristar because the dyson is acting up.  And the ratcheting noises affect her pets so she had to retire the dyson.  I think it just fell out of warranty from what she tells me, in part because it was a Christmas present from her husband and stayed new in the box for several months during a move.  She actually got less than 2 years of actual usage before having problems.  She will probably go the dyson HELPLINE route to see if they will cover under warranty/authorized dyson dealer for repair.  While she was satisfied with the dyson performance up until just recently, she said that she would not have bought it herself.  Unlike most people when I ask where the dyson is made, she did not say England.  She said China (close).  Probably her engineering background.    

As an aerospace engineer I'm sure she can make up her mind on the Oreck's performance and how it compares with her current and past vacuums.  And what vacuum to buy to replace the DC07 Animal.

Carmine D.


 
Wow,  your carpets looked groomed.  I said this same thing about the Oreck.  How much dirt did the Oreck remove?  Dirt destroys carpet.  Apearance does not.
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #236 - 04/30/07 at 8:09pm
 
HARDSELL:
 
Since I can only compare the Oreck XL with the dyson DC07 pink on MY medium pile wool Mohawk carpets, area and throw rugs and ceramic tile floors, I have to answer your question in this manner:
 
The dyson DC07 pink ($399) was completely unusable on my medium pile wool Mohawk carpets.  This was confirmed by the dyson HELPLINE after several technicians recommended several work arounds that failed to eliminate the gawdawful ratcheting noises (which means the brush bar is not turning).
 
The Oreck XL ($149 plus $29 shipping) is very easy and quick to use on my Mohawk wool carpets.  The ORECK XL gets out more dirt than the DC07 pink on MY carpets.  And the Oreck XL grooms MY carpets and keeps them looking refreshed and resilient.  The dyson DC07 pink could not.
 
There's no comparison on MY carpets between the dyson DC07 pink performance (lack thereof) and the Oreck XL.  Oreck wins handily every time.  The Oreck XL is an excellent "daily user" and works well on ALL my floor and carpet surfaces.  Unlike the dyson which did not.  I would recommend the Oreck XL over the dyson DC07 pink on ALL medium pile wool carpeting without hesitation and reservation.  Based on my own personal experience with both vacuums.
 
The dyson was gifted away.  The Oreck is staying and getting used daily.
 
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Reply #237 - 04/30/07 at 9:36pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/30/07 at 8:09pm:
HARDSELL:

Since I can only compare the Oreck XL with the dyson DC07 pink on MY medium pile wool Mohawk carpets, area and throw rugs and ceramic tile floors, I have to answer your question in this manner:

The dyson DC07 pink ($399) was completely unusable on my medium pile wool Mohawk carpets.  This was confirmed by the dyson HELPLINE after several technicians recommended several work arounds that failed to eliminate the gawdawful ratcheting noises (which means the brush bar is not turning).

The Oreck XL ($149 plus $29 shipping) is very easy and quick to use on my Mohawk wool carpets.  The ORECK XL gets out more dirt than the DC07 pink on MY carpets.  And the Oreck XL grooms MY carpets and keeps them looking refreshed and resilient.  The dyson DC07 pink could not.

There's no comparison on MY carpets between the dyson DC07 pink performance (lack thereof) and the Oreck XL.  Oreck wins handily every time.  The Oreck XL is an excellent "daily user" and works well on ALL my floor and carpet surfaces.  Unlike the dyson which did not.  I would recommend the Oreck XL over the dyson DC07 pink on ALL medium pile wool carpeting without hesitation and reservation.  Based on my own personal experience with both vacuums.

The dyson was gifted away.  The Oreck is staying and getting used daily.

Carmine D.


 
 
Glad to know that you finally found a vacuum for Mohawk medium pile wool carpet.  Since that is in the minority of homes most buyers would be better off with a Dyson.  The Dyson was superior over the Oreck on MY carpets.  Also based on my personal experience with the XL21 (top of the line) and my DC07.  
 
The Oreck was returned.
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #238 - 04/30/07 at 11:07pm
 
Quote from HARDSELL on 04/30/07 at 9:36pm:


Glad to know that you finally found a vacuum for Mohawk medium pile wool carpet.  Since that is in the minority of homes most buyers would be better off with a Dyson.  The Dyson was superior over the Oreck on MY carpets.  Also based on my personal experience with the XL21 (top of the line) and my DC07.

The Oreck was returned.  

 
Hello HARDSELL:
 
Actually, the ONLY vacuum I used that has not performed on my Mohawk wool medium pile carpets is the dyson DC07 pink.  Ironically the most expensive vacuum too at $399.  The HOOVER WT Supreme ($150) performs very well, the ORECK XL ($149 plus $29 shipping) performs very well, the HOOVER Z ($99) performs very well,  a 20 year old Eureka ($80 new) upright performs very well, a 10 year old RICCAR upright ($150 demo) performs very well, a $50 HOOVER Tempo upright performs very well and I can go on...but  
 
I'd rather hear the ways in which you consider the dyson DC07 superior to the Oreck XL21 on your carpets and floors.  Ignore the use of attachments and address just the floor and carpet performance of each vacuum.  Tell me the floor surfaces you have with the amount of rugs and carpets vice floors, rug thicknesses, and area rugs and throw rugs.  And how often you vacuum.
 
For example, the Oreck XL goes from floor to carpet cleaning, from area rugs to throw rugs without having to turn the brush on/off (called MicroSweep Cleaning System).  With the dyson DC07, you constantly have to bend over and turn the control knob on/off manually for the brushbar to disengage and engage.  Hard for old men like you and I.   Wink  I prefer the Oreck XL over the dyson DC07 in this regard.  No hassle.  Quick and easy.  Less time and energy.  Apparently you don't mind bending up and down and wasting time and energy.  Care to elaborate?  
 
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Reply #239 - 05/01/07 at 1:48am
 
Quote from HARDSELL on 04/29/07 at 7:15pm:
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/28/07 at 10:33pm:
Quote from HARDSELL on 04/23/07 at 7:03pm:


I am not taken on for criticizing Oreck because the intelligent readers know that it has poor performance and that it takes a gimmick to sell it.



HARDSELL:

I've used the ORECK XL for several days now and I can say with absolute and unequivocal certainty that you are as wrong (or dishonest) as you can be.  Quite in contradiction to your criticism of ORECK it has performed superbly on my medium pile looped wool Mohawk carpets, our area rugs, ceramic tile floors and numerous throw rugs.  Both cleaning and grooming the rugs and restoring them to their new look and feel.  My ORECK XL cost $149, it is the bottom of the line model, and no giveaways.  I also paid the $29 shipping and $16 for 8 additional bags.  As I mentioned, my dear Wife and I are so impressed with its performance she ordered one for her Mother for a birthday gift.  

If an ORECK can clean and groom my wool Mohawk medium pile carpets, and the dyson DC07 pink cannot, in comparison I recommend the ORECK over dyson for rug and floor cleaning without reservation.  

As I mentioned, I plan to loan the Oreck to a good and dear friend who has been a DC07 Animal dyson user for the last 2 years and quite satisfied until she encountered  a recent dyson glitch/problem.  As I mentioned, she is an engineer.  Aerospace.  I look forward to getting her reactions too.  And I will share those with you unless she wants to do so herself.  :)

Carmine D.


What method did you use to determine how much dirt the Oreck has removed?  After all it would be dishonest to make a statement of unequivocal certainty unless there is proof of the performance.  

Your friend must have a filthy home if her vacuum clogged, regardless of the brand.

 
Here to help.  An aerospace engineer would probably appreciate seeing the two filtering systems side by side – Oreck’s advanced system vs. Dyson’s antiquated system.  As the photos clearly show Dyson’s multi-cyclone filtration does not stand a chance against Orecks revolutionary filtration – a bag.  Do bags really clog and kill suction as James Dyson claims?
 
Oreck
All bags clog.
(non OEM bag below) here, Oreck OEM here. Price w/ ship: $4.75 per bag SKU: CCPK8OF

 
Dyson (DC18 Slim - below & DC15 the Ball)
Post motor filter needs washed ever 3-6 mos. on average.
No additional bags, filters or belts to purchase.

 
 
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