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/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl General >> Vacuum Cleaner Forum >> Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner /cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1160238515 Message started by Dyson_Chris on 10/07/06 at 12:28pm |
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Title: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/07/06 at 12:28pm The DC18 Slim is now up on Argos website. With the following details: 1200 watts. Lightweight. Ideal for picking up pet hair. 1.7 litre dust capacity. 5 stage washable filtration. Cord storage. Includes crevice and brush tool, and stair tool. On-board tool storage. Stretch hose for staircase cleaning. Telescopic extension tubes. Adjustable floor head with 2 height adjustments. Side suction channels for edge to edge cleaning. 7.5m power cord. Weight 6.5kg. Manufacturer's 5 year parts and labour guarantee. With a list price of £279.99 or US $523.93 http://www.argos.co.uk/wcsstore/argos/images/4057059SPA66UC314976X.jpg |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Trilobite on 10/07/06 at 5:13pm The Dyson DC16 handheld is on sale in the Scottish Hydro-Electricity Board Shop. I was shown it today, and it feels well-balanced (battery pack was not fitted). It appears to be Root 5 Cyclone: clear outer bin, plus four high-efficiency cyclones. It looks like some weapon from Doctor Who! ;D I popped into another shop and the saleswoman there (who I've known for years) said she thought the DC16 would probably appeal more to men than women. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Tobias Fünke on 10/07/06 at 8:24pm When are we ever going to the Dyson digital motor put to use in a vacuum cleaner?!? DC-17 perhaps? Whatever the 17 turns out to be, I just hope that is has a new filtration system, a revised agitation system, an airwatt rating of over 270, and most importantly, a digital motor. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Trilobite on 10/07/06 at 8:34pm Uk electrical store Comet lists the slightly more expensive DC18 Allergy at £299.99: http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/html/cache/361_357081.html |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by VacOMatic on 10/07/06 at 10:23pm wrt DC 18: 1. how is motor noise level compared to other dysons? 2. How is brush roll design compared to other dysons (still the 2-edged flattish blade or now a true roller)? 3. Same general filter design (foam, then HEPA paper? 4. anti-static treatment of the dust bin to keep pet hair from sticking to the sides? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/08/06 at 11:33am Tobias Fünke wrote:
Looks like it. The Dyson Digital should appear in U.S. vacuums next year. http://www.popsci.com/popsci/bown/2004/hometech/article/0,22221,768304,00.html |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/08/06 at 1:49pm According to Comet we have two models. All Floors and the other is called the Allergy... |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/08/06 at 2:31pm More details have appeared on the UK websites then over the weekend! So 2 DC18 Slim's which now makes me think there is no 2 HEPA filters as some website prevoiusly stated! The weight is changed I've seen it on the web as 6.9kg and now it shows as 6.5kg! The DC03 was 6.9kg so the DC18 is slightly lighter and more powerful with a 1200 watt motor! What is with the 2 height adjustment!? Hope it still automatcially adjusts to different floor types! I could be tempted to purchase this model I thought the DC16 was Root 6 not Root 5!? Shame they have not took the opportunity to use the digital motor in this UK product to see how it would perform and how the UK public would take to it! It will come one day Dyson will just use it's own digital motor! Does anyone know if this digital motor can be adjusted in terms of wattage power! I have read it is about a 1600 watt digital motor, but I suppose it could be adjust to a wattage!? As for the DC17 I take it that comes out next year then in the US and may be the UK! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/08/06 at 3:09pm Could this spell the end of the DC03 in the UK and the last Dyson Dual Cyclone model to still sell on the UK market!? I have noticed recently UK stores selling the Dc03 have dropped the price of them as well to around £150.00 to £167.00! When it first came out in the UK it sold for £279.99 the Grey and Yellow model! Which is the price the new DC18 is going to be sold at! Because there is no real 'new' technology as far as I can see so far on this new model does it warrant a price tag that high? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/08/06 at 3:19pm One thing to think about will the DC18 be as slim as the DC03? What I mean is the DC03 lying flat on the floor was very slim and could get under beds etc with ease! Thats one of the many things I liked about the DC03! I don't think the DC18 will! I will be easier to clean along skirting without knocking radiator pipes etc as the head sticks out either side of the cleaner! With a 1200 watt motor probably the same power and performance as the DC15!? I think the Dyson Engineers should have gone for the 6kg mark on weight! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/09/06 at 12:56pm And here's the 2nd DC18... Nice color :) http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/dyn_imgs/prods/prod_large/357081.jpghttp://www.comet.co.uk/comet/dyn_imgs/prods/prod_large/357073.jpg |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/09/06 at 2:42pm Nice colours Dyson Chris of the 2 DC18 Slims! Looks like the DC15 cleaning head is the way forward for Dyson if it's on the DC18 Slimas well! Or a version of it! Two motor setup one for the suction and one for the brush bar! Useless the DC17 when it comes out is again completely different? Dualcyclone, is the DC18 Slim the new version DC03 that you were on about? Because I know you mention a ball feature before! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by M00seUK on 10/09/06 at 2:44pm oh, and the slim's featured on the Dyson UK site today :- http://www.dyson.co.uk/range/range_overview.asp?model=DC18&sinavtype=pagelink |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/09/06 at 2:45pm So is the DC18 Slim on the Dyson UK Website: http://www.dyson.co.uk/range/range.asp?base=UPRIGHT Looks like no Product Launch for the DC16 & DC18!? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/09/06 at 2:50pm The dusting tool on the DC18 looks like it is part of the crevice tool or detaches from it! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by M00seUK on 10/09/06 at 2:51pm JD wrote:
A bit like the one on the DC16 Handheld? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/09/06 at 2:53pm The dusting tool on the DC18 looks like it is part of the crevice tool or detaches from it! Dyson Website has the DC18 as 6.6kg, 210 Air watts, 7.5m cord, 1.3L bin, flexible steering so some kind of ball feature on this model to! I take back it uses old technology of the DC14, DC15! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/09/06 at 2:56pm Now it's our turn.... You guys got all the new stuff :) |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/09/06 at 2:59pm Yes we did but no product launch to go with them though! All very quiet! :) |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/09/06 at 4:27pm My first impression is a slim lighter version of the DC15 The Ball! Not as slim as the DC03 is! Could be a winner for people who say Dyson are heavy and bulky here in the UK! 210 Air watts 10 air watts less than the DC15! So should be a good cleaner! The air flow passage from the brush bar is in the middle coming out the top! Looks like that comes off to check for blockages! Combination accessory tool looks good which is the crevice tool and dusting brush like on the DC16 as M00seuk pointed out! The crevice tool has an even more bend in it! I'm not keen on it as you can not get down narrow spaces with it anymore like you could with the DC07 and below models! Shame the digital motor never went into this model! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/09/06 at 4:35pm It's nice that it rides on the ball like the DC15. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Tobias Fünke on 10/09/06 at 5:46pm I'm glad to see that The Ball has been simplified to the max for the DC18. Hopefully we will see it in the DC17 as well. I'm just wondering why the Dyson page makes no mention of it besides "flexible steering", and not even a flash demo of it. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/09/06 at 5:51pm I wonder if it's a ball in a socket rather than on the DC15 that has 2 fixed axles and one pivoting point! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Trilobite on 10/09/06 at 5:54pm Looking at the DC18 side on, the rear wheels and floor nozzle remind me of Granny's Hoover Junior 375! Comparing the suction power between the different models, I was surprised to see that the DC07 has had its motor downgraded from a 1400W (330 airwatts) to a 1200W (260airwatts). Was this because of the strong suction? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/09/06 at 6:03pm I thought the DC15 looked like a old Hoover Junior from the sid when that came out! So it has! The DC07 is only mainly available in one version the base DC07 (origin as it's called)with no brush control (clutch) just straight belt driven! Looks like they have downgraded it because it's just a base model now in the UK and probably to improve useage! The base model I don't think ever got the grooves in the soleplate they put on the clutch models to ease use when moving it across floors due to powerful sealed suction! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Trilobite on 10/09/06 at 6:07pm I'd love to see what the DC17 looks like! Any more info, anyone? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/09/06 at 6:09pm Trilobite wrote:
Tom just posted this Friday is the date for the DC17 |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Trilobite on 10/09/06 at 6:22pm Ta. If the DC17 is supposed to have this wonderful new filtration system, why has Dyson decided to shoehorn it in amongst the Root Cyclone models? If I was launching a machine with new technology, I'd shift up to a nice round figure - like DC20. Dyson's model numbering system seems a little out of step: CR01 & CR02 - "Contrarotator" AB01 - "Airblade" DC01-DC06 - "Dualcyclone" By this token, DC07-DC18 should be known as RC07-RC18 "Rootcyclone". |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/09/06 at 6:41pm I always thought DC stood for Dyson Cleaner or Dual Cyclone! It must be Dyson Cleaner! :) |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Trilobite on 10/09/06 at 6:46pm Yes it must be Dyson Cleaner. The very first DC01's were numbered DA001 - for Dyson Appliances. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/09/06 at 7:04pm Anyone noticed the rubber seal at the bottom of the DC18 bin is at an angle and does not go down to the bottom of the bin base! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by tiger21 on 10/09/06 at 7:05pm Tribolite, The 1500 watt unit had 270 airwatts power and the DC-18 1200 watt motor is 210 Airwatts power. Each new machine Dyson came out with is less powerful than before. DC-7 = 270 airwatts, DC-14 =240 airwatts, DC-15= 220 airwatts power, and DC-18 is 210 airwatts. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Trilobite on 10/09/06 at 7:16pm In Britain when the DC07 came out at first, it had suction power of 330 airwatts. Then Hoover (UK) launched the Hurricane cleaner with 350 airwatts ("measured at hose end, when empty"). The British DC07 did indeed employ a 1400Watt motor, and the machine generated 330 airwatts. The motor now fitted is a 1200Watt, with less suction power. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by tiger21 on 10/09/06 at 7:18pm I know someone will try to correct me on reported suction power. The figures came from Dyson literature. On the UK website today it reads DC-03 - 90 airwatts, DC-07 = 280 airwatts, DC-14 = 260 airwatts, DC-15 = 220 airwatts, and DC-18 - 210 Airwatts power. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Trilobite on 10/09/06 at 7:33pm I think you've muddled up DC07 and DC14 suction powers ;) |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by tiger21 on 10/09/06 at 11:28pm Tribolite, The Specs are direct from Dyson website. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Mike_W. on 10/10/06 at 3:08am DC03=90 airwatts DC07=260 DC14=280 DC15=220 DC18=210 Root6=36 "The power of a vacuum cleaner is best measured in airwatts (suction power)".-dyson |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by tiger21 on 10/10/06 at 10:22am I stand corrected. But you will not find any airwatts on U.S. site. !2 amps (DC-07 & DC-14) and 10 Amps (DC-15) are designated. The airwattage on these in the U.S. were reported at 270 (DC-07), 240(DC-14), and 220 (DC-15). Air wattage power could be different in U.K. due to 220 volt usage. U.S. is 115 Volt. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 10/10/06 at 1:08pm with the use of the digital motor,why dont they offer a laser gun to Zap away cobwebs............... regards O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/10/06 at 7:29pm Close up pictures of the Motorised brush bar. http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/dyn_imgs/prods/prod_large/357073_66785.jpg |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Tobias Fünke on 10/10/06 at 7:55pm http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/10/452c3291f27f0570719380.jpg When will this be available on the American market? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/10/06 at 10:20pm Ok Tobias now where did you find that picture? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Tobias Fünke on 10/10/06 at 11:09pm Dyson_Chris wrote:
I pieced it together from the zoom-in images on comet.co.uk |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/11/06 at 7:56am Nice job... :) |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/11/06 at 7:59am So here's Dyson new 2 in 1 tool. Very nice.... http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/dyn_imgs/prods/prod_large/357073_66784.jpg |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/11/06 at 4:53pm Nice pictures of the DC18 Slim! Nice combi tool as well! I've been told by my local Currys Superstore they will have the DC18 for sale in 2 weeks time! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Trilobite on 10/11/06 at 5:14pm I like the sleekness of it; the way the dirty-air and clean-air ducts are incorporated more into the 'body' of the cleaner. I really dislike the hose-pipe gubbins and air ducts on the DC15. They catch the kitchen cabinet doors when you approach the kick-boards side on. Makes it very awkward to clean in the corners, without resorting to the hose. The DC18 does look much better, but what a pity they didn't see fit to incorporate the latest technological advances in cyclonic design. Does it feature the digital motor? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/11/06 at 5:25pm This should be a very good important modelfor dyson in the UK! It's lighter and slimer to get under and around furniture and around the kitchen! They could have made the cleaning head a little wider for even better clearance! DC03 was and is good for getting into corner and along kick boards! I've alway said to Dyson they need to change the cleaning head so it clenas without the side hit or scraping kitchen cupboard doors and under radiators! It's very different in someways for Dyson as everything on the DC18 is enclosed because it's so sleek and slim! I don't thing the digital motor is in this model as it would say on the web! I'm surprised they have not taken a chance to use this model on the UK market to introduce that motor! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Trilobite on 10/11/06 at 5:49pm It may yet come! Dyson usually has four models in the UK range: eg. base model, all floors, allergy and animal. There doesn't appear to be an animal version, but what's to stop them releasing one later on - possibly with a better motor. And will the DC17 be coming to the UK? If it does, I should think that a few of the previous models will disappear - namely the DC14. (The same way the DC07 range was condensed down to one model). Maybe the DC15's will too! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/11/06 at 6:10pm I personally can not see the digital motor coming in the DC18! If you look at th eoriginal DC03 there was only 2 standard models with the clear version on top! The DC15 The Ball there was only ever 3 versions, All Floors, Allergy and Animal, there was no base model as they had dropped the belt drive brush roll. Which they have again on the DC18 and used the same cleaning head from the DC15. There is no base model anymore, well not on the DC15 and DC18! Well the All Floor is the base model I would think! The only model they probably do later is the Animal version (which could have the digital motor in it!) and the only thing you get extra with that model is a mini turbo brush! You can buy one of those anyway! I personally have never seem the reason for the animal model in the UK as the allergy has a HEPA filter just buy a mini turbo brush as extra! I have noticed shops like Currys, Argos and Comet have already got rid or selling off cheaper the DC15 Allergy (white model!) and the DC14 Allergy seems to have gone! I think the DC17 is for the US only! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by M00seUK on 10/11/06 at 6:19pm Well, for looks I much prefer the white allergy scheme. I pass the DC14 yellow / DC15 animal models in the shops most days and each time I think yuck, the allergy scheme is miles ahead! So I'm glad they've revised the looks with the new ranges - DC12plus, DC16, DC17, DC18. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Trilobite on 10/11/06 at 6:27pm It seems mighty suspicious that 'level 3 root cyclone' technology has made an appearance on that abomination! Good God, have the designers got no imagination? It looks like its father was a DC15 and its mother a DC14! Why the devil can't they create a machine that is like the DC18, but with all the latest features: Slim & compact, lightweight, powerful, ultra-efficient cyclones, motor-driven agitator, digital motor. Honestly, if you want something designed properly, you would be better off designing it yourself! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/11/06 at 6:43pm The yellow and grey which has always been the original colour for the base models is getting a bit dated! I love the new colour setup on the latest models! They give them a much more engineered look! We will just have to wait and see what the DC17 is like! We don't know until its launched! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/11/06 at 6:43pm M00seUK wrote:
I also like the new line of metallic colors. http://dist.joshinweb.jp/contents/kaden/cleaner/DC12_2.jpghttp://dist.joshinweb.jp/contents/kaden/cleaner/DC12_3.jpghttp://dist.joshinweb.jp/contents/kaden/cleaner/DC12_4.jpghttp://dist.joshinweb.jp/contents/kaden/cleaner/DC12_5.jpg |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/12/06 at 1:33pm I don't know if anyone else has looked on the UK Dyson web and looked under the Customer Service part and select the 'Using my Dyson' and select uprights and then DC18 and go through some of the tips etc. You will see the whole cleaning head detaches from the main part of the cleaner where 'the ball' is! There is a flexi tube that runs next to the ball part! It must pivot where you detach the head! Interesting! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Trilobite on 10/12/06 at 3:47pm JD wrote:
Looking at the large side-on picture a few posts earlier, I thought I saw 'clips' similar to the hose catches on DC15. Maybe it is detachable so a hose can be fitted... just like Granny's Hoover Junior! ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/12/06 at 7:37pm Here's a bit of info I got from the UK Dyson Helpline on the DC18 when I called them to get details on it! The DC18 has 190 air watts (although the UK webiste says 200!), it has 2 motors, one for the brush bar and one main one for the suction! It has the same 1200 watt motor as the DC15 The Ball. I'm told they class the DC18 as the next version of the DC15 The Ball, learning from the DC15! I'm told the DC18 is even more flexible than the DC15 to steer and move around and use. An improvement on the DC15! The cleaning performance is the same as the DC15. I was told that the person on the helpline said they had a DC14 and DC15 and their DC15 cleaned better and picked up dirt the DC14 left behind on a certain rug! Could be that improved brush bar! Between the two I'm told you can't tell that much differance!! We will see! From feed back on the DC15 they have created the slim DC18 with more advanced improvements! People found the DC15 bulky and not easy to steer and with the external hose to the head making it hard to clean under cabinets etc! This could only be done on one side (or use the tools) due to that external hose. It's not a full ball but 'cigar' shaped I'm told giving better move ability! Because it not a full big ball, the motor is not inside it but at the bottom like other dyson models. The hose to the cleaning head is now an internal part of the cleaner and sits at the bottom! Also due to problems with some customers with the motor that powered the brush bar over heating and the thermal cut off cutting in, you would have to wait for 2 hours for it to reset and cool down! The DC18 has a new thermal cut off! If it over heats and cuts off there is a reset button you can press to reset the brush bar motor to carry on using the vacuum! The whole cleaning head this time comes off (as I thought it did!) from the machine for easy checking for blockages etc! I'm not sure if the metel soleplate remains on the model! It will not be available in the shops until the 23rd October 2006! Brochures are not yet available on the DC18 (or DC16) but are on there way! With a detachable cleaning head this could open up possibilities to attach other tool options like a specially design hard floor cleaning head! (Bitlike a Kirby!!) I've always thought Dyson could design a detachable cleaning head and here we have it on the DC18! There must be some connection though for the motor for the brush bar! This could prove a popular model here in the UK! So this must be the replacement for the DC03! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/12/06 at 8:58pm JD wrote:
Good info thanks..... So no word on the new canister coming or the re-launch of the washing machine possible called the CR03 and matching dryer. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/13/06 at 11:15am The way things are going it looks like 2007 will be the Year of the Dyson.... |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/14/06 at 8:13am According to the UK Dyson Helpline not a full ball like the DC15! I don't think it no way near a big as the ball on the DC15! Very small and 'cigar' shape so they say which gives improved and better move ability than the DC15 gives! They learned from the DC15! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/14/06 at 8:33am Looks like the wand on the DC18 has changed! No button to press to release it! Instant single action release! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 10/14/06 at 4:08pm Trilobite wrote:
Nice looking brushrollor,it's about time now it might actually clean decent. still no parts yet for the older ones. >:( |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/18/06 at 7:11pm Any sighting of the 18 yet in the UK? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 10/21/06 at 8:40pm who has the famous motor head canister in the states, other than the prototype dual has. is the pricetag under 500.00? O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/23/06 at 3:41pm No siting of the DC18 in the UK, well not in my local electrical shop! They did have the DC16 at last! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by M00seUK on 10/23/06 at 6:51pm I saw a DC18 in store last week (Comet). I was actually quite impressed; it should be named The Ball II - son of a ball! It looks as good as you'd imagine in person - the slim, sleek profile makes it stand out. Some seasoned posters, like Dual, commented that the DC15 would prove to be a tough sell to your typical housewife with it's over complex looks. So perhaps the slim will gain a more rounded, mass appeal? In use it manoeuvres just as well, if not better than the DC15, with it's lighter weight. The undercarriage release pedal is improved and being coloured red, it's far more obvious to its function... a mistake I myself made first time around at the DC15 launch event in London! The instant release hose seemed a handy feature, but on this shop floor version, it was jammed slightly and needed a good tug to release it. The 'slim' DC18, has smooth elegant looks, less parts, less complex construction and with 2kg less weight... well it's hard to imagine Dyson wanting to keep the existing DC15 line up for much longer. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/23/06 at 7:02pm M00seUK wrote:
Sounds like it's going to be one nice vacuum M00seUK. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/25/06 at 2:19pm Looks like Dyson UK have added the DC18 Slim in the Accessories Part and like the DC16 you can get most of the parts including a replacement cleanerhead assembly unlike the DC15 as that was not dettachable! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/26/06 at 1:40pm Had a quick look at the DC18 Slim in Comet today! Very slim and lighter than all the other Dyson Vacs! The one thing I noticed is the cleaning head is smaller than other models, I would say the same width as the DC01! The release pedal at the back is much better than the DC15, releases smoother! The side parts that cover the ball move round to! The ball is very small but it has better move ability than the DC15! The new handle design is comfortable to use! I had my doubts on that one! Not sure if I like the new combi tool - crevice and dusting brush as one! There is still a bend in that crevice tool! The new upholstery tool is the same as the DC17 has! The bin is smaller and has the new blue pre motor filter in the top! No safelty device to stop you using it without the pre motor filter like the DC15 has! No protection on the air flow tube that goes from the top of the bin to the motor like the DC15 has! It does have a 1200 watt motor! The bin has 5 small cyclones and one big one - outer cyclone - gives you Root 6 Cyclone! The inner rubber seal at the bottom is angled as well and the bottom lid is slightly different in the middle where the seal meets! There is a reset button I mentioned on the cleaning head that the UK Dyson Helpline mention to reset it I need be! It also has the new quick release hose and wand design! I couldn't get the cleaning head to come off, think it was stuck! All in all it looks a good vacuum from Dyson which I think it will do very well here in the UK. Like I said wished the cleaning head was wider! Something they may change if it goes on sale in the US Markets! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by johncainltd on 10/26/06 at 9:44pm JD wrote:
From what I've observed about bagless machines (until I stand corrected), bagless technology is employed when the filter and air separation media are positioned vertically. How is this filtration effective when the machine is lain flat to fit under a bed? Most bagless machines (including canisters) have the filter and separation mounted vertically. (yeah yeah yeah with the exception of the Hoover Z or the new Wintunnel with the self-cleaning filters) But I digress, bagless machines have always had limitations. Does anyone remember when the Fantom first arrived in the early 90's and no one (including Fantom) was using HEPA filtration. Can you imagine what a health hazard that must have been! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by M00seUK on 10/26/06 at 10:29pm Plenty of Dyson canisters have been sold which work just fine, along the horizontal plane. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by johncainltd on 10/26/06 at 10:58pm M00seUK wrote:
Do tell, which models are these? Everything I've seen shows the separation/filtration media somewhere between horiz. and vert. Still, because it's a canister, there is no issue that compares to the atempted use of a bagless upright laid flat. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Inmate Number 2 on 10/26/06 at 10:58pm What about the Dyson DC06? http://www.dyson.co.uk/range/DC06/1.jpg |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by johncainltd on 10/26/06 at 11:10pm Inmate Number 2 wrote:
been collecting vacuums since I was 3. Owned 76+ Posts: 124 Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Reply #69 - Today at 9:44pm Quote Modify Remove Quote from JD on Oct 8th, 2006, 3:19pm: One thing to think about will the DC18 be as slim as the DC03? What I mean is the DC03 lying flat on the floor was very slim and could get under beds etc with ease! Thats one of the many things I liked about the DC03! I don't think the DC18 will! I will be easier to clean along skirting without knocking radiator pipes etc as the head sticks out either side of the cleaner! With a 1200 watt motor probably the same power and performance as the DC15!? I think the Dyson Engineers should have gone for the 6kg mark on weight! From what I've observed about bagless machines (until I stand corrected), Yeah, yeah. Ok, I stand corrected as I knew I would. But be honest: how seriously do you take a robotic vacuum-especially one that is not yet available in the USA? Believing what one sees on the internet is tantamount to believing what one sees on infomercials. I really didn't mean to bring canisters into the mix with my previous post. My point was that there is no bagless upright (Dyson or other) that will fit under the average person's bed (where most of the dust mites & their byproducts are found). |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/27/06 at 9:04am johncainltd wrote:
My point was that there is no bagless upright (Dyson or other) that will fit under the average person's bed (where most of the dust mites & their byproducts are found).[/quote] There is a cleaning product on the market that serves this purpose very well. It's called the HOOVER Slider and retails for $25-$40. Works for 30 minutes on a charge. Bagless. Lightweight (less than 3 pounds). A rug/floor nozzle that can rotate 180 degrees to slip and "slide" under low furniture. It lies completely flat and can still perform at peak. Chris Dyson was kind enough to post pics of this stick vac under the thread on the DC16. Have you seen and/or used it? Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/27/06 at 3:46pm Let me see apart from the DC06 Robotic all Dyson Cylinders/Cansiter bin are at an angle for one and they work perfectly! I've owned a DC03 and it worked very well flat on the floor, the dual cyclone system carried on working as it did when in the upright or at an angle when in use or flat on the floor! When it went under my bed ok with no problems and under low furniture with ease! It would even go under the bed I have now but other Dyson will not without using the tool attachments! Dyson would have checked and tested the cyclone technology works at an angle or completely flat on the floor! After all gravity pulls things down!! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by johncainltd on 10/27/06 at 6:26pm JD wrote:
But do you find it necessary to wash your foam filter more often? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Trilobite on 10/28/06 at 4:52pm It should also be noted that the Dyson DC07 has inverted high-efficiency cyclones: where the dust is whirled out of the TOP of the cyclone (unlike DC14 & 15, where the cyclones point down). Filters do not appear to require extra cleaning. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/29/06 at 6:11am johncainltd: The DC03 had 2 HEPA Filters, one pre and one post motor! On the earlier DC03's the pre motor HEPA filter was replaced every 6 to 12 months, the whole filter! I didn't find the need to change the pre motor HEPA filter any more regular than Dyson stated/recommended! The later DC03 on the pre motor HEPA filter there was a removeable (I might be corrected on this!) foam part of this HEPA filter to wash every 3-6 months! All in all no the filter was replaced as it stated! The DC03 was quite good at filtering with the Dual Cyclone Technology and 2 HEPA filters! Not the most powerful Dyson but still very good at picking up! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 10/29/06 at 6:03pm One thing Dyson has dropped on this model is the metal soleplate it had on the DC15 is not on the DC18 this time! There is a rubber stripe that runs the full length of teh soleplate behind the brush roll opening! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 02/04/07 at 6:57pm I tested the DC18 Slim (UK) and have to say it's a very impressive machine! To say it's only 200 airwatts with a 1200 Watt Motor it is very powerful for it's size to rate ratio! It's very light and easy to steer compared to the original DC15 The Ball! The petal release system is much improved and made more simple! I personally think the DC18 was designed not only to bring an updated lighter model into the range but to simplify the ball design! People found the DC15 hevay and bulky to use so I've heard!After all the DC18 weighs in at 6.6kg (200 Air watts) where as the DC03 is 6.9kg (90 Air watts)! I always told Dyson the DC03 needed to be bit more powerful! Although the DC03 was a popular model the DC18 is a much updated version of the lighter upright dyson! I think already the DC18 here in the uK is proving a popular model. I know of 2 websites on and off over the course of each week run out of stock of the DC18, and actual shops to!! One thing the DC03 has over it is the standard 2 HEPA Filters plus it can lay flat to go under furniture! The tools are very powerful on the DC18 same as the DC15! The cleaning head is narrower (probably the same width as the DC01) to the DC15 but has the same brush bar setup including a reset button! You can now remove the whole cleaning head (even get a whole replacement off the Dyson Website!)! I wish they had kept the medal soleplate on this model! The bin is smaller but has the easy empty release system on it using root 6 cyclone technology! It remains to be seem if this is the way Dyson will go with it's uprights using the 2 motor setup and ball concept! Will they use the simplified ball technology off the DC18 to produce a full size model to replace the DC15! I noticed some shops have reduced the DC15 line up here in the UK, wit the DC14 and DC07 still the main model line ups to sold! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 02/12/07 at 9:14am If I were you i would buy all the dysons you can get your hands on,and you can put them in gaskos collection,you know the guy that has 431 vacuums in his living room,ha,ha,ha, O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 02/19/07 at 3:15pm JD wrote:
Nice review JD. Any new on the new DC20 and 21? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 02/20/07 at 7:51am No news on any other models here in the UK. Seem links on some UK sites for DC20 but no pictures or launch dates! Not sure what it could be! As for DC21 no mention of that didn't know there was a DC21 as yet. Where is the DC19!? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JimB on 02/20/07 at 8:17am Looking at upcoming product, I now Dyson has been advertising hard that they are revealing a new product at the VDTA convention in Las Vegas this week. I am headed their tommorow and interested to see the reaction of the masses on Independent Vacuum Store owners to Dyson's choice of that venue for an unveiling. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 02/20/07 at 8:39am Hello JimB: FYI: http://www.vdta.com/LV07.htm Note the top banner with the dyson advertisement. :) Weather in Las Vegas has been unseasonably warm and in the 70's with abundant sunshine for the past week. Unfortunately, rain is forecasted for the rest of the week. A rare and precious commodity in the desert and much anticipated. Enjoy your stay and keep away from the casinos. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 02/20/07 at 8:48am JimB wrote:
Keep us posted Jim and if possible take some pictures. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 02/20/07 at 8:49am Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Thanks Carmine. http://www.vdta.com/IMAGES/Banners/Dyson3%20copy.jpg |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 02/20/07 at 8:55am Maybe it's the anticipated cylinder/canister version of the DC12 for the US market! Unless it's a robot vacuum! Does the pictures in the advert give clues!! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 02/20/07 at 9:05am JD wrote:
Look close. Do you see a picture of a Canister? I do. That's not the DC18... |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Mac Daddy on 02/20/07 at 9:53pm The DC20. http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/7/6/113381/DC20.jpg The DC21 will also be a canister, as stated by many online German/European merchants. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Mac Daddy on 02/20/07 at 11:02pm That looks like it could be the all-floors DC17. Definitely looks like the canister cap on my DC17... However, I don't think the DC17 All Floors is the next "Dyson innovation"... http://www.vdta.com/IMAGES/Banners/Dyson3%20copy.jpg http://www.allbrands.com/images/products_spec/L_17932_DC17animal.jpg |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 02/20/07 at 11:23pm Mac Daddy wrote:
That's true. It does looks like the yellow DC17 coming soon. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 02/21/07 at 8:43am That picture looks more like a DC08 TW Animal which we have here in the Uk, that has been out for a few years now! There is one UK Website that has 'Dyson DC20 Stowaway' Cylinder cleaner coming soon! No picture! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 02/21/07 at 11:07am Does the shroud still load with dust after 3 weeks,just like the uprights. And dont hit us with the old customer neglect routine. By the way thats a real poor excuse for a powerhead. sell,sell.sell. O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 02/21/07 at 12:47pm old-timer wrote:
Moving on....... NEXT!!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Mac Daddy on 02/21/07 at 5:07pm old-timer wrote:
Thanks for the meaningful contribution to this discussion. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by M00seUK on 02/21/07 at 6:26pm http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/7435/20070221dyson2512kt5.jpg DC21 at a Dyson Canada launch event Dyson Launches Two New Products "The Dyson Slim is the most powerful lightweight on the market and the Dyson Stowaway is our first canister vacuum in Canada," explained Robinson, adding that 60% of Quebec's vacuum sales are canister vacuums. "Both feature Dyson's patented cyclone technology - so they don't clog or lose suction - and deliver Dyson's trademark superior cleaning performance." "Canada's response to Dyson has been amazing," said Robinson. "In 2006, Dyson helped drive 17% dollar growth in upright vacuum sales and we're now the #2 brand with a 21% dollar share of the nation's upright vacuum sales," he said. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 02/23/07 at 8:45am old-timer wrote:
Hello Jimmy the Old Time Pro: I suspect that dirt and debris will be more likely to clog and block the holes of the dyson canister shroud than the dyson uprights. Why? Compare the dyson canister dirt bin and shroud set up to say the Kenmore Progressive Iridium and even the dyson uprights. The dyson canister set up is inclined and the shroud will sit in the dirt as the bin fills up during use. If the dyson canister shroud and bin were straight up and down like the dyson uprights, and assuming the user dumped the dirt at the fill line, this blockage of the shroud holes by the dirt would not occur. Such is the case with the dyson uprights and the Kenmore Progressive Iridium where the set up is straight up and down. Still overtime and use, they clog. I believe, like you, the dyson canister inclined set up is a design flaw in a bagless vacuum operation. Looks unconventional and spiffy but at what price to the vacuum's performance. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 02/23/07 at 8:54am I can see where your coming from with that! I have a Dyson DC05 (canister) and have never had issues with the shroud clogging because the bin is tilted! Even using it on stairs where the bin is horizontal! The bin is at the same angle it would be on a Dyson upright when you are using it. The upright bin is tilted probably more and the shroud is not effected. In fatc the dirt in my DC05 bin collects the same way as my Dyson upright! Dyson would have tested all of this and I'm sure the design altered a while ago if there was any issues! This design has been used from the 1st UK canister DC02 upto the DC12 and now the DC21! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 02/23/07 at 8:57am Hello JD: The same tilt design, along with a splt dirt bin, was used in the DC11 dyson canister and users cited this as a flaw. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 02/23/07 at 9:11am Hello Carmine D Looking back the DC11 was not really designed for the US! I have to say I wasn't very sure about the split 2 bins on the DC11 and how effective that was! Looking beyond the DC11 the bin setup on the DC21 is the same as the DC08 and DC08 Telescope wrap here in the UK (unless it's using level 3 Root Cyclone) and that setup seems to work very well. The bin design is totally different to the Dyson uprights, I noticed that on my DC05 when I first got it! Will have to see how it does in the US and Canada! JD |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 02/23/07 at 12:23pm At 500.00 plus they will sell as good as the first time. :-[ O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 02/23/07 at 1:47pm old-timer wrote:
Hello OT: SEARS dropped the price of the Sears Kenmore Progressive Cyclonic bagless (Iridium Model 26822) to $399 from $499. It will be interesting to see if Sears adds the DC21 to its stores' venue and for what price. The Sears price on the DC17 Absolute Animal is $549 and on this week's sale for $522. No price competition with LNT which is selling the DC17 for $440 (after the 20 percent off). Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 02/23/07 at 2:34pm Just heard the DC18 will be a independent dealer exclusive until June. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 02/24/07 at 6:59am Dyson_Chris wrote:
Hello Chris: How soon will dyson ship the DC18/DC21 to you? Do you sell the DC16, Hand Held, and DC17 Absolute Animal? Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 02/24/07 at 7:30am I should change my username here. I'm no longer in the business of selling the Dyson vacuum cleaners. I gave up on Dyson even though I enjoyed selling their vacuums. I just think they need to work out all their issues not being able to supply the vacuum they sale here in the US. It seemed like every couple of weeks one line wasn't in stock for a few weeks or a couple of months or more. So I decided to give up on them just like they have gave up on their dealers. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 02/25/07 at 1:08pm Look for the factory refurbished machines,these are as good as new and cost half the dealer cost. If you want to stay in the dyson business this is more than likely the way you should go. Don't let them fool you,they got plenty. O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson DC18 on 03/16/07 at 9:35am First hands on report. Click Here (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/exclusive-dyson-slim-photos-meet-the-barracuda-of-cyclone-vacs-244617.php) |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 03/16/07 at 10:16am Lots of different views taken on the DC18 in that report! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 03/16/07 at 12:16pm This was posted awhile back, but I noted that the author (an industry professional) recently updated and is worth a repeat read. http://reviews.ebay.com/DYSON-VACUUM-CLEANER-OVER-RATED-OVER-PRICED-THE-MYTH_W0QQugidZ10000000001303022 Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson DC18 on 03/20/07 at 9:49am The Slim is now featured on Dyson US website. Click Here for online Demo (http://www.bestvacuum.com/images/dysondc18sw/SlimDemow.html) |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 03/20/07 at 2:56pm Hello Chris: From the pix and now the video, it appears that the dyson DC18 Slim may be a tad top heavy and unsteady in the upright position especially with use of attachments. I don't have any personal knowledge and observation so I don't know if that is the case. Maybe others who do, know its stead worthiness. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 03/21/07 at 8:05am Dyson DC18 wrote:
Hello Chris: I received a dyson email today about the DC18 Slim and DC21 Stowaway (Because I'm a registered dyson owner: DC07 pink which I gifted away). But haven't reviewed yet. From the pixs and video, I still have some questions about the steadfastness of the DC18 Slim in the upright and tool modes but I haven't seen it up close and personal yet. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 03/22/07 at 2:31pm I've had first hand using the DC18 (UK version) and I can honestly say the machine is stable in the upright position and using the tools is a dream! The machine follows you and does not topple over at all. Not in my experience! The hose is very low to the floor, lower than the DC15 but does not have the flexible arm at the bottom like the DC15. There is no pulling back on the hose from the suction unlike the DC07 (UK version) yet the tools are quite powerful! The hose and wand diameter are the same as on the DC07, DC14 ( and previous DC04 and original DC01) unlike the DC15 which has a small wand and hose diameter! You can feel the brush bar pulling the machine and grooming the carpet pile. My Mum has just had one to replace her DC04. To say they have the same watt motor 1200 watt (although the DC04 is the old dual cyclone technology) the DC18 pull alot more dirt out of the carpet. The only thing cause the bin capacity is smaller (I believe smaller than the DC03) it fills up quicker but is quick and easy to empty! I would replace my DC15 with the DC18 Slim much btter machine lighter and you can get under furniture and skirting boards etc better due to the slim design! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson DC18 on 03/22/07 at 5:26pm I'll give you an update on the DC18. I just ordered one from Tom and it should be here next week. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 03/24/07 at 9:30am Thanks JD for the DC18 clarification and details. At $469, rather pricey for a lightweight of 15 pounds (almost twice the weight of ORECK XL Deluxe). Only 200 Air Watts and less than a one half gallon dirt capacity (slightly smaller than the dirt capacity of DC21 Stowaway which is rated at 220 Air Watts). Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson DC18 on 04/04/07 at 3:30pm Carmine, just saw the new DC18 commercial and it's so much better than those other Dyson commercials. Have you seen it yet? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/04/07 at 3:48pm Dyson DC18 wrote:
No, I haven't. Not yet. Glad to hear that dyson is updating their TV ad repertoire. I'll let you now when I see it. BTW, the HOOVER HSN features on April 1 were successful. Squeezed into one of the HOME SOLUTION sessions with HOOVER products was a rerun of the DC21 launch that aired several weeks ago. I think only because the HOOVER products sold out so quickly. Impressive line up of HOOVER stuff and good demo's with noteworthy prices. Including the WT 2 bagged and bagless for excellent prices. Even the lady demo'ers were gorgeous! In fact I believe all the HOOVER demoes were done by good looking and smart ladies. Don't know for sure. Taped all on the DVR and haven't viewed them all. My dear Wife commented that she thought it was rare to see 2 young lovely ladies demo a HOOVER GUV. She asked if they are pitching the GUV for FATHER's DAY (as they said) or really to Moms for MOTHER's Day. The GUV was one of their showstoppers. Even had the HOOVER Slider for sale! Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by cprohman on 04/05/07 at 5:46pm Dyson_Chris wrote:
I was in Best Buy yesterday, and as I walked in the door, I saw a big "DC18" Sign, so I went back to the vacuum department and checked it out. They vacuum handled very easily, and would be very easy to manuever around furniture. I didn't plug it in, but just examined it and pushed it back and forth. It seemed well balanced and easy to handle. Whether due to the ball, the ease of turning, or the nice balance, the machine seemed much lighter than 16 lbs. The pedal to release the handle and ball was obvious and easy to use. Figuring it out how to release the wand was not at all obvious. I finally figured out that the secret is that you reach in and pull out the extension, and that when it is fully extended, it releases the wand. Strange and non-intuitive, but functional, and would work fine, once you figured it out. The two-in-one tool was also nice, but very small, as was the wand diameter. If you did a lot of work with tools, this wouldn't be my choice, but for a relatively light, very maneuverable upright, the unit seemed very nice. I think women will like this machine much better than they liked the DC15. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/05/07 at 8:50pm CPro: What do you think about the $469 price tag on the dyson-lite (I mean Slim) vacuum? Same as the full size dyson price with a lot less umph in both rug and tool modes. Do you think this is troubling to shoppers and/or worthy of a pass to have the latest and greatest dyson-lite? Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by No Loss of Suction on 04/05/07 at 10:59pm My kids and I gave the Slim a little test drive at our local Best Buy. We plugged it in and ran it. How easy was it to maneuver? My 7 year old took it for a spin on their carpet and it was easy for her, no problem maneuvering. Now compare this to our Ball and she could in no way maneuver this like the Slim. I think this will be a great alternative to Dyson's larger uprights, I can see people with smaller homes purchasing this as well as female "Dyson believers" who want small, easy to maneuver upright. Personally, I think the small nozzle width on this is the way to go, I’d rather have a smaller nozzle that allows me to fit into more spaces verses a large nozzle width that does not.. In terms of maneuverability what can touch this? Maybe in terms of "suck" the bigger Dyson brothers are better. But since the Slim is so easy and light to use perhaps a person feels more inclined to suction their home more often. No Loss of Suction P.S. I forgot to mention that when the sales lady saw me testing this Dyson she told me "The Dyson's were best vacuums they had". |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Dyson DC18 on 04/05/07 at 11:27pm The nozzle is nice. Now I have a vac that I can take into the bathroom and vac the tile flooring without all the hassle compared to my DC15. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by No Loss of Suction on 04/06/07 at 1:05am Dyson DC18 wrote:
How do you feel the dirt pick up on the Slim compares to your DC15? Have you vacuuumed with the Slim just after vacuuming with your DC15? Thanks No Loss of Suction |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Mike_W. on 04/06/07 at 6:20am At about 16.lbs, this vacuum cleaner is not liteweight. If you compare it to the other dyson models, it is not bad. One of the complaints w/this brand is that they are "heavy". I believe that women looking at the dyson brand will turn to the DC18, because of its weight. The company made improvements to the handle release. It is so much better compared to the DC15. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/06/07 at 8:04am No Loss of Suction wrote:
I'm not impressed when I hear this same comment made about dyson vacuums by Best Buy and other retailers' staff. Why? I ask why they say that dyson vacuums are the best? Long pause.......... The comments received to this question from the sales staff are laughable and outright wrong. I'm told the vacuum is made in the UK (WRONG), never needs maintenance (WRONG), is rated number one by all the Consumer magazines (WRONG), is the most reliable vacuum ever made (WRONG), and the only one with a 5 year warranty (while others only have one) (ALSO WRONG). If the "indy's" told this to vacuum buyers, there would be an uproar by vacuum buyers. I respond with the truth in great detail. By this time, the sales person usually look askance at me then inevitably asks: Are you from Corporate (Office)? I look at them and smile as I walk away. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/06/07 at 8:26am Mike_W. wrote:
Hello Mike W: It's a dyson-lite. Compare to a 16 pound HOOVER TEMPO for $60 (which doesn't call itself a lightweight). That's 8 (Tempos) for the price of 1 (dyson-lite). Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/06/07 at 8:45am No Loss of Suction wrote:
Let me be the first to clue you in: If you honestly believe this (and not just saying it for other reasons), you are living in a fantasy land sometime way back in time. Not in today's world. You've been listening to way too many sales people! Not a good point of reference for the real world. The only vacuum truly lightweight at 8 pounds (one half the poundage of the dyson-lite) that can even come close to saying this is probably an ORECK. And just for quick daily cleanups. So my sense is if the user actually measured out the vacuuming time it would be the same and maybe less (lite vacuum versus full size). And the dyson-lite is no ORECK. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 04/06/07 at 9:59am True lightweight vacuums that work and do the job,OreckXL,riccar supralite,simplicity freedom,aerus/electrolux lux lite,emer rafaello with turbobrush,and a few i missed........ certainly not this 16 lbs, make believe,super hyped piece of brittle plastic wannabe........... O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by lionsweeperuser on 04/06/07 at 11:58am I just bought a 1920's Premier Junior upright on ebay. It's supposed to be in good working condition and probably weighs no more than 9 pounds. Since it is light weight and has a revolving brush and since I'm 70 years old, I may actually use it occasionally! Happy Easter to all. Jim Kirby (lionsweeperuser) |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/06/07 at 12:40pm lionsweeperuser wrote:
Hello Jim (HAPPY GOOD FRIDAY): Being rather long in the tooth myself and remembering the Premier and GE Juniors from the early 1920's, I can say almost with ONE HUNDRED percent certainty they do not have revolving brushes. These sold for about $25 (not including attachments) and even used screw in plugs. They had a brush that snapped on the rug and floor nozzle for cleaning. They did have the Good Housekeeping Institute approval. Later to become the Good Housekeeping seal of approval. It's nice to see OLD things still around and doing well! Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 04/06/07 at 6:20pm People say the DC18 Slim is expensive compared to other Dyson Vacuums and other cleaners of course. I can't comment in the US but here in the UK the Dyson DC18 Slim is no more expensive than the DC03 when that came out in the lates 90's. That retail at £279.99 when it first came out and the top model £299.99. The only difference between the 2 was the Zorb kit! They both had x2 HEPA Filters. To say the DC18 is a complete improvement on the DC03 to retail around the same price is very good! Yes if you compare it to some other Dyson models (depends which one) it can retail more! The Dc07/DC14 Animal in the uK retail normally at £299.99 where as the DC18 is £279.99! If you shop online that price can change. A well known Supermarket was retailing the DC18 Slim at £154.00 at one point! Well over a £100 off the RRP! Yes it can be more than other Dyson Models like the DC07/DC14 but so was the DC03 compared to the DC01 and even when the DC04 came out after! Yet the DC03 still sold because the main facter was the light weight compared to the DC01/DC04. The DC18 slim has more power (1200 watt) to the (700 watt) DC03, better brush bar, and weights about the same give or take a bit, has to be good value to retail at the same price in the UK! It has the ball technology but a simple version of it! Alright the DC03 laid flat on the floor to go under furniture and you could hang it on the wall but the DC18 is a much needed replacement here in the UK for the DC03. I think it is one of the best Dyson uprights Dyson has produced for the UK. It certainly is selling well here! My Mum is impressed with it! The DC18 head is I believe the same size of the DC01 that James Dyson launched into the UK around 1993/1994! Like the DC01 the DC18 fit easy into smaller places unlike other Dyson models. I personnally think the DC18 suction is the same as the the DC15 when using the tools! The main cleaning head is probably better! Why? I think that is down to the fact: 1: Central air intake from the brush bar area 2: Head is samller 3: No large debris channel at the front so no suction is lost there People didn't moan here in the UK when prices for Vacuums started to rise in the late 80's and early 90's to over £100 if not the £200 mark. They paid for a good Hoover TurboMatster or Electrolux 600 series! Yet there was nothing special about them other than the motor wattage increased. Dyson comes along and retails his technology over £200 and some people start to question it! I have to say since Dyson came onto the UK market the vacuum market has gone down hill here in the UK. Other brands like Hoover and Electrolux are knocking out 'cheap' vacuums compared to there 70's, 80's and earlier 90's models! Mainly all cheap bagless models that look cheap! No wonder Dyson and models like the Slim are doing well in the UK! UK people have realised you have to pay for better technology and Dyson at present fills that gap! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/07/07 at 8:27am Hello JD: Thanks for the synopsis of the dyson variations in the UK. Here's a US perspective. The DC15 All Floors Ball is a 10 amp motor (not the industry standard of 12 which is a criticism of the model by the US experts) and is rated at 220 air watts (dyson's definition for suction measurement). It retails in the USA for $499. The DC18 Slim is rated at 200 air watts and retails for $469. Dyson does not specify the amps but uses watts instead (1400), a measurement dyson has always said is meaningless for motor performance. And the USA dyson Web site no longer specifies the DC07 and DC14 air watts. Why? A good question for dyson to answer. Since the company made such a big deal of it. I think dyson is being slick (and not in a good way). But I digress. Probably a negligible difference in air watts between the DC15 and DC18 (20) unless you compare both to the DC07 All Floors (the first model dyson launched in the USA in Aril 2002). It's rated at 300 air watts and retails for $399. Now that's 100 and that is a big difference. Which leads me to the saying I like to quote from the Columbia School of Business by Professor Bruce Greenwald: "In the long run, everything is a toaster." Meaning all dazzling innovations end their days as commodities, products that are bought only according to their price. Vacuums are the same (IMHO). Dyson can add new "balls and whistles" to the old DC07 (retails for $399 and has 300 air watts) and charge more. But dyson can't compromise the quintessential feature of vacuums (called air watts by James) by a whopping one third percent (to 200) and charge more. No, not here in the USA. IMHO. I think US buyers are more savvy. Toasters grill bread. Vacuums pick up dirt. To quote a famous American: You can fool some of the people, some of time; you can fool all of the people some of the time; but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JimB on 04/07/07 at 9:23am So Carmine are you saying Constant suction as measured by Air watts should be the number one criteria in measuring vacuum performance? For what it is worth I think it is more important than many in the industry would admit but should still only be a piece of the larger puzzle. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/07/07 at 9:45am JimB wrote:
Hello JimB: Thank you for making me laugh today. Why? Interesting that you ask me that question after James, dyson, you (here) and dyson fans on the Forum always say so (or said so in the past). It seems the rules (dyson's rules NOT dyson rules) have changed since the DC07 launch and most notably lately. Here's how I answer your question: Make up your mind: Is it important (300 air watts) or isn't it important (200)? Dyson made the rules on air watts not the US vacuum industry in the USA. The US used amps and wattage. Dyson cried "foul" and proclaimed AIR WATTS. Does your rule of air watts apply or doesn't it? And if not, why not? Why the change? Why are the DC07 and DC14 air watts ratings not specified on the USA dyson Web site anymore? :-/ Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/07/07 at 9:57am JimB wrote:
Sounds like dyson (and you) are trying to have it both ways. :-/ This is exactly what so called "dyson-haters" have said all along. It's taken 5 years for "dyson-lovers" to agree. Chalk one up for the "dyson-haters" thanks to the DC18 and DC21. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JimB on 04/07/07 at 10:23am I made it clear what I feel about airwatts: " For what it is worth I think it (being air watts) is more important than many in the industry would admit but should still only be a piece of the larger puzzle." See it is not tough I clearly stated what I think so there is no need to try to spin and put words in my mouth in how I feel about them. I am not trying to have it both ways I think is an important piece of the puzzle. Much more important than the amps that some makers were using. The question is what you think about them as you are seeming to have it both ways attacking dyson for using it as a tool of measurement and now attacking them with it saying it should be the only tool used to measure dyson. Let's please not turn this into pages of personal attacks about dyson as a whole I was just asking a simple question about what you think the value of Airwatts was as you are using them a lot lately. So can you give a straight answer is it a good measuring tool that should be part of the picture or not? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 04/07/07 at 11:04am Hi,all these airwatt ratings are taken at the motor out of its enviroment,probally with a 240 volt charge put into it. O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JimB on 04/07/07 at 11:54am I agree Old timer an Airwatt rating taken at the motor is useless. In my my mind it is about as useful as judging a vacuum by how much electricity it uses which to me always seemed silly. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/07/07 at 12:18pm JimB wrote:
Hello JimB: I already did. You're not paying attention. ;) Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Sounds like dyson (and you) are trying to have it both ways. :-/ This is exactly what so called "dyson-haters" have said all along. It's taken 5 years for "dyson-lovers" to agree. Chalk one up for the "dyson-haters" thanks to the DC18 and DC21. Carmine D. [/quote] Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JimB on 04/07/07 at 12:43pm Seeing how it is really tough to get a direct statement, you are saying you agree with my statement? "For what it is worth I think it (being air watts) is more important than many in the industry would admit but should still only be a piece of the larger puzzle." But then you are claiming you and your fellow "dyson haters" always thought this and then you additionally are claiming somehow this is different than how I have always felt on the matter. If you want to continue to attack a product on airwatts don't you think it would be helpful to simply state what you stand on airwatts is? I did not bring it up but Airwatts seems like a pretty straight forward discussion of fact of measurement and the opinion of how that measurement should be used no need to talk in riddles or play your game of "Gotcha", "april fools" or claiming I used to feel a different way than I did. I took some time off this site as many such discussions disentigrate into a game of "gotcha" I simply want to discuss what your experience leads you to believe about Airwatts as you are using them alot lately. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JimB on 04/07/07 at 1:08pm If it would be helpful I can summarize my thoughts. I think Airwatts is a very important tool (as it measures airflow and pressure) that is underused but is still only part of the puzzle. You state dyson started airwatts and I disagree. It has is a scientific measurement that was around long before dyson. I do agree with you that they did come out hard saying it was a much more effecient tool than the Amps and watts you agree the US vacuum industry was previously using. Seems kind of silly that almost all of the machines in the big box's previously were comparing vacuum performance on how much electricity the machine used. First as old timer was alluding to for Airwatts to be useful it needs to be measured at the point of cleaning. Many central vac guru's are now using airwatts and I think they should only be compared at the point of cleaning not at the motor. Second Airwatts needs to be measured over time to compare effect of a dirt load on the machine. Third when coming up with airwatts part of the equation is the pressure rating. Most quality machines have pressure relief devices to save the motor from burning up and these can skew a pressure rating. I beleive the pressure part of the measurement should be taken as the the machine would normally be used without the pressure relief device activated. Finally I think these constant airwatts should be used much more and are very important but once again only part of the total equation. Sorry if you assumed I have had different thoughts on the subject as I have not. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/07/07 at 2:36pm Hello JimB: If you reread my post to JD you should quickly see the point I was trying to make. Here's a simple rephrase and clarification: Dyson and its supporters for 5 years claimed that air watts is the quintessential being of its superior performance over the competition. (The critics of dyson's claim, labeled dyson-haters, argued that air watts is ONLY one piece of the vacuum's performance. Not the total package and the end all and cure all for vacuum ratings). Then, dyson proceeded to compromise the performance measure (it proclaimed to set it apart from the competition) on all subsequent models. How? Two ways, as I indicated in my posts several times: By reducing the air watts by one third (from the 300 on DC07 to 200 on DC18 in less than 5 years) AND removing the air watts' ratings from the USA dyson Web site for the higher air watts rated dyson models (presumably thinking that customers wouldn't notice?). And by the way dyson just happened to charge more and more too. That marketing strategy may sell well in the UK and other countries. I think US buyers are more savvy. What part of these above facts have I misstated, are incorrect and/or you want to disagree with? Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by lionsweeperuser on 04/07/07 at 6:44pm Carmine, the Premier Junior, circa 1927-29, I'm getting does have a revolving brush and side mounted bag. I have a Premier Duplex of the same era and the larger companion to the Premier Junior, and it has a revolving brush and side mounted bag. I believe Premier uprights of the early to mid twenties were straight suction with a rear mounted bag. The Frantz Premier, which came out about 1912 and which preceded the Premier, was straight suction with a rear mounted bag. I have a Frantz Premier from about 1917. If my information about the Frantz Premier is correct, Jim Kirby worked with the Frantz Brothers in the design of the Frantz Premier. Jim K. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by lionsweeperuser on 04/07/07 at 7:08pm After my previous post, I remembered that General Electric uprights of about 1927-29, which looked very much like Premiers, were straight suction. GE had a standard and Junior upright. Didn't GE acquire Premier about 1930? Jim |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/07/07 at 8:38pm lionsweeperuser wrote:
Yes, Jim I think it was around the beginning of the depression era ( "the Great Depression" ) in the USA. As I mentioned in my PM, you ask questions that very few people left on earth can answer. Even for those of us who do not yet have full blown alzheimer's, it's a real challenge. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Trilobite on 04/09/07 at 9:03am To calculate the electrical power used in an appliance, use the following formula: Power in Watts (P) = Current in Amperes (I) x Voltage (V), thus P=IxV. To find the current, divide Power by Voltage: I = P/V. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JimB on 04/09/07 at 11:29am Carmine_Difazio wrote:
I have to disagree with you here. I believe the messaging was that by measuring airwatts as dirt load increases was the only to tell if suction was remaining constant after 4, 8, 10 etc... ounces of dirt. The messaging never was dyson has X airwatts and Y competitor has Z airwatts. The messaging was that dyson's airwatts stay constant and other brands have a reduction in airwatts after 4, 8, 10, etc... ounces of dirt. I believe one of the secrets to dyson early success was that general messaging without naming competitors while Hoover was giving dyson immense help in gaining credibility and name recognition by slapping the dyson name on the front of all their top end units boxes. Much like here at this site it would not take a rocket scientist to visit here and form a quick opinion on who is the current top dog all the competition is gunning for. IMHO the constant critique of dyson on this site by those in the industry that do not carry the product but seem utterly frustrated by it's success only helps build the "buzz" and legitimacy as the current brand to beat. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/09/07 at 3:25pm JimB wrote:
Hello JimB: (Hopefully this is the last time I have to put this in print on the Forum. It's getting redundant.) In response to your disagreement: As dyson critics of what you say above (labled "haters") pointed out 5 years ago when dyson and supporters made this claim, this is only one piece of the performance equation for vacuums. Not THE end all and cure all. Apparently over the last 5 years dyson and its supporters have come around to agreement with the dyson critics since the dyson air watts have been reduced on every subsequent dyson model made. And dyson eliminated the air watts' ratings from the tech specs on its US Web site. JimB wrote:
This is "buzz" and factually unsubstantiated opinion promulgated on the Forum and it originates from dyson, dyson supporters and dyson fans. I have not seen and/or heard any authoritative industry numbers since 2004 to show that dyson still leads vacuum sales in the USA by dollars and/or units. I have not seen/heard any authoritative industry numbers to show dyson is a better vacuum brand seller than Dirt Devil, BISSELL, HOOVER, SEARS Kenmore, and Eureka. Just to mention a few of the better known brands that compete with dyson at the big box stores in the USA. Just the opposite is true. I've heard that dyson sales in the USA and in the UK have decreased from year to year. Why and how? NPD counts new vacuum sales when the maker sells to the retailers. Dyson sales for DC07, DC14 and DC15 models were counted as sales in 2004 (the last year dyson issued its press releases worldwide about the success of its US dyson sales). Many of these dysons (already counted as sales) are still in stores' inventory on the shelves and being sold today by big box retailers. Almost 3 years after the fact and the last time authoritative dyson sales numbers were substantiated by the NPD. If I missed some industry facts to the contrary on dyson sales since 2004 please share them (facts) with Forum readers. We'd all like to know what the real dyson sales numbers were after 2004 and are today. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JimB on 04/09/07 at 5:46pm You are right no need to be redundant ;) You say dysons original messaging that the total airwatts was the "end all cure all" and I say you missed the message and the message from the beginning was consistency of not losing airwatts with increasing dirt load thus thier "no loss of suction" mantra. I can't remember reading on piece of dyson marketing that said the total airwatts was the "end all cure all" it is a little revisionist history to make your argument. You are absoutely correct that my comments about the "Buzz" were my opinion thus sentences beginning with "I believe" and "Imho". I have no allusions that just because they are my educated opinions that they immediately become fact. It is a distinction that some struggle with. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/09/07 at 8:30pm JimB: I have to give you credit for one attribute that I enjoy about reading your posts especially on dyson related matters. They make me laugh and laugh. Sometimes I reread them just for that purpose. At my age, and any age for that matter, every day one laughs is a good day. Thank you. ;) Continue to post on the Forum with your opinions about your favorite brand bagless vacuum. So I can continue to be amused in the process. I really really look forward to your posts about dyson, your main topic of posting on the Forum. Be well and take good care of your favorite vacuum brand's reputation and sales. Dyson needs people like you to sell it. And people who think like you to buy it. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 04/10/07 at 4:58am Thanks Carmine for you insight into the US vacuum cleaner side of things! You probably can see I do love Dyson Cleaners because they are different and from my experience in the UK work better! Other vacuums here in the UK have lost the way! If bag vacuums in the UK are still the way to go and have a place in the market (not saying they don't) why don't they like Dyson be differnet and show that in their vacuums! Instead they are knocking out cheap bagless vacuums that don't work properly! In the UK it's performance as well as features which is what people look for! Price also plays a part for some people! Years ago I always thought motor wattage the bigger the better the cleaner would be! Now I look at what the motor wattage is but I also look at the performance of the vacuum suction by testing the machine, using the tools. It's all round performance! Yes the DC07 is the most powerful Dyson Upright they have produced here in the UK. In fact it was said by the public too powerful! Probably at the time the most powerful upright in the UK! If we look at it's motor wattage it was 1400 watts most other uprights at the time (in the UK) to come close to it where using 1600 watts plus (even 2000 watts)! The DC07 had to be modified - soleplate to adjust the powerful cleaning head! I have both versions of the soleplate of the original DC07 when it first came out in the UK. Thats why I look at performance as well not just motor or air watts! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/10/07 at 8:17am JD wrote:
You're welcome. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Trilobite on 04/11/07 at 11:27am Dyson and Hoover (UK) played a 'cat and mouse game'. One would launch a cleaner, claiming the most powerful suction, to be outdone a few months later by the competitor model: Dyson DC01 - Hoover Triple Vortex - Dyson DC04 - Hoover Vortex Power - Dyson DC07 - Hoover Hurricane. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by cprohman on 04/11/07 at 8:15pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
The price didnt concern me. I cant comment on the "umph" in rug cleaning mode, but the diameter of the wand, and the size of the dusting tools certainly made it seem like it probably does not produce a lot of airwatts. Of course, a vacuum like the Oreck produces very few airwatts, too, and I dont believe it offers any tools at all, so in that respect the Dyson, even with few airwatts, still is OK. As far as the weight, it isnt nearly as light as the true "lightweight" vacuums, but in this case the ball and balance work well to make the vacuum very maneuverable. I think that that in real use the vacuum would handle as if it were lighter than in really is. By contrast, poor ergonomics, such as the narrow metal handle on my Air-way canister make that vacuum seem much heavier than it really is. Really the perceived weight is more important that the actual weight. Old-timer, I note that you made the comment that the Dyson plastic is brittle. I have seen a lot of brittle plastic, such as the plastic on the Hoover Floormates, but the quality and resiliancy of Dyson plastic has always impressed me. Have you had a lot of problem with Dyson plastic breaking? The only part I had break was the clip that held the pre-motor filter on. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/12/07 at 8:21am cprohman wrote:
Thanks CPro. ORECK is a true lightweight upright vacuum. In fact the vacuum brand that invented the moniker for vacuums. Up to then it was junior, baby and apartment. Oreck is about 8 pounds. It comes with a 5 pound compact canister. The canister is a a decent performer. Interestingly add the weights of both and they are still less than the 16 pound dyson DC18 dyson-lite. Dyson uses the same ABS plastic used in all the existing vaccums and floorcare products on the market today. Nothing special as once thought and opined by dyson lovers. For example the HOOVER TEMPO bagged upright (MSRP of $50) rated number 8 by Consumer Reports uses the same ABS plastic as the $500 plus dyson. I see alot of display dysons with broken finger tabs, cracked dirt bins, broken add on pieces, scratches and nicks. It is a criticism of the brand by buyers and users. And diminishes the look of a high cost niche make and model. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/12/07 at 4:21pm Based on my preview of the DC18 Slim (dyson lite), Oreck has nothing to be concerned about. But dyson does. If its pinning its future hopes on the sales of the DC18 dyson-lite and DC21 Stowaway canister, dyson is in deep do do in the USA. I saw nothing about the DC18 Slim that would make me change my original impressions. Including it being top heavy for its weight and profile. It is unstable in the upright (off) position just as I thought. It's as tall as the full size dyson uprights and has a nozzle head too small for the vacuum's high center of gravity. Either the middle/top of the vacuum has to get smaller or the nozzle head has to get larger. Most preferred from my perspective: Both. The middle/top should be reduced in size and power head made wider and longer. The current configuration on the DC18 is only slightly better than the DC15. Can't use the the full size dyson vacuum tools, they won't fit the DC18 dyson-lite. No turbo tool, let alone on board! The wands are narrow as is the dirt path hose. The dirt path hose is a bad design and will fail over time. Too flimsy to handle the bulk and weight of the top of the vacuum. Brush roll consists of short stiff sparse hairs. Not full tufts (like the Oreck) for grooming as well as cleaning. Still weighty and bulky on the wrists to use. And the smallish rug/floor nozzle flips and flops as it runs across the rug and floor during use. Certainly not a $469 performer. If the price stays at $469, dyson will be pulling it off the market too. IMHO Lower the price to $399 and pray. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 04/13/07 at 6:51am I have to say the Dyson DC18 Slim is not top heavy for it weight and profile. I have used one in person serveraltimes and have to say it is stable in the upright position and when using the tools! It is light to lift and light to use! The main cleaning head is smaller so you can fit it into tighter smaller places. My Mother has commented how she can get the DC18 Slim into places her DC04 could not go due to the cleaning head being wider. In fact the DC18 head is about the same size as the original DC01! One of the reason the slim was designed for. Having larger cleaning heads means tools have to be used more to get into tight and small places! The DC18 helps reduce this. Dyson may introduce a bigger version of the DC18 to replace the DC15 who knows!! As for the full size Dyson tools go. On the UK version of the DC18 Slim (I can't see the US/Canada one being any different!) the hose and wand diameter is the same as the DC07, DC14 and other models like the DC04 so tools are inter changable! I have tried a normal dusting brush off my DC07 and it fit straight onto the DC18 wand! It's only the DC15 that has a smaller diameter hose and wand! Why do you need a turbo tool onboard. More tools means more weight! The weight of the DC18 is not at all put on the dirt path hose! In fact it is more protected unlike the DC15. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/13/07 at 7:40am JD wrote:
Hello JD: On the USA DC18 dyson lite, the DC07 and 14 tools do not fit. The DC18 wand is too narrow. But the standard industry size tools like Eureka do fit. The dirt path hose on the DC18 dyson lite is center tucked into the power head on the bottom and the vacuum housing on the top. Shorter length too than the DC15. The hose points where it attaches to the PN and vacuum are stress points. The shorter hose length restricts hose movement under stress, unlike the open longer hose that is side mounted on the DC15 for the dirt path. The DC18 dph is smaller in width than the DC15 dph too. With up and down handle movement and side to side back and forth motions with swiveling and wheeling, the angles and positioning of the vacuum subjects the dp hose to stress (at the 2 points of attachment). Stress results in hose stretching, straining and pulling. This results in hose wear and tear after mininal use. Poor design function. Some may compare this set up design to the HOOVER FM. Half correct. THe HOOVER FM goes up and down only. The dyson DC18 lite goes up and down and side to side, swiveling and wheeling. Twice if not more of the stress and twice and more of the wear and tear. And the HOOVER FM is more stable. Not tipsy topsy and flippity floppy like the dyson DC18 lite. Also note how how HOT the motor compartment gets after short time. The motor appears to run hotter than normal uprights. Not good if this is the norm for the model. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 04/13/07 at 7:53am Hello Carmine Thanks for the insight. I do find it hard to believe that the Hose/wand is different diameter on the US to the UK! They fit fine tools from the DC04, DC07 etc on the Dyson Slim! Dyson would have carried out stress testing on all parts of the DC18 Slim. From what I've seen the hose is attached before the pivoting point! So it all moves together! I've not noticed the motor compartment get any hotter than normal! JD |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/13/07 at 7:55am JD wrote:
You're welcome. BTW talking about tools, what's with the crevice tool dusting brush combo? Stinks! Impractical. Those 500 dyson engineers have too much free time on their hands. They forgot the rule. KISS: Keep it simple and more simple. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/13/07 at 2:41pm I stand corrected. I called the SEARS sales guy in N. Las Vegas to verify his statement to me about the dyson size tools. He restated to say: It's the DC15 tools that are too large. The DC07 and DC14 tools will fit the DC18, which explains why the industry standard sized tools like the Eureka fit the DC18. Thanks for prompting me to get a verification with your observations. BTW, the DC15 scores "POOR" in pet hair cleaning based on the latest Consumer Reports ratings (March 2007). My sense is the DC18 is no better and probably worse. More reason for a turbo tool. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 04/15/07 at 2:21pm The dirt path on the DC18 mainly the stretchable hose is not part of the stress point where the cleaning head moves/pivots. On close inspection on my mother's the hose never moves only when the main body of the cleaner is moved up or down. So that is the only stress it will get! When you tilt or steer the vacuum left or right etc the bottom casing where the ball and the dirt path tube are all move as one. The pivot point is before the hose coming from the main cleaning head. If you look you can remove the main head away from the bottom part of the cleaner! You will then see where this attaches and pivots! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/15/07 at 4:46pm Hello JD: Does dyson warranty the dirt path hose on the DC18 dyson lite and DC21 power head for 5 years and any and all repairs if the dph comes loose, tears, stretches and collapses before 5 years? Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Trilobite on 04/15/07 at 9:47pm The April edition of "WHICH?" recommends Dyson DC14, 15, and 18 as the upright cleaner, and Miele as the cylinder cleaner. Other cleaners which were rated as efficient were the Nilfisk Extreme X300, a Bosch cylinder, and a Sebo Felix. The Nilfisk appeared to have the best allergy filtration. Cleaners not to purchase, were an Electrolux upright (filter cyclonic), and (I think...) a Morphy Richards. What annoys me about "Which?", is the missing brand names: there were no Hoover cleaners tested at all; and yet they test five Miele's and a similar amount of Dyson's! Hardly fair, in my book! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/15/07 at 10:15pm FYI: From the Which? survey report for April 2007: "Dyson upright cleaners have again come out as less reliable than other brands. However, this year our survey also showed that the reliability of the newest upright Dyson cleaners – those that are just one and two years old – is better than the average for other brands in the survey. It’s too soon to say whether this improved reliability will hold up in future years, but early signs are hopeful." And at the bottom of the reliability rankings for cylinders (canisters) with the most repairs: Dyson. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/15/07 at 11:59pm Dyson DC18 wrote:
Hello Chris: Saw the DC18 commercial. Dyson is pitching the DC18 dyson-lite as a lightweight upright vacuum. We know at 16 pounds it is not a lightweight. And rather than matching it up against legitimate lightweights like the ORECK XL, SEBO Felix, RICCAR/Simplicity Freedom series, and HOOVER Ultra Lightweight, dyson uses a string of make believe, made up "stick vacuums." Fortunately, dyson does not advertise the DC18 dyson-lite price, which at $469 is not "light" for anyone's house cleaning budget, save the Queen of England. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by cprohman on 04/16/07 at 4:44pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
I guess that shows that Dyson's focus on reliability is producing some results. The older Dysons that were consistently at the bottom of the Which? charts never found their way to the US, so the experience in the US should be different. I note that Dysons continue to be very highly ranked on Epinions, and if there were major reliability problems, that wouldn't be the case. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 04/16/07 at 4:59pm Hi Carl, would you like to tell that to the customer that just traded a one and half year old dc-07,The machine was recomended by a friend,because she loved it,and quess what after about 8 months and no satisfaction from the helpline,she just admitted that she was sucked in by the hysteria,they got me once and only once. To quote what she said. Get this thing out of my house,I dont care what you give me for it,just get it out of my house.............. O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by cprohman on 04/16/07 at 5:27pm I'm sure all vacuum makers have a number of dissatisfied customers. Certainly if you read Epinions or Amazon.com reviews, you'll find both good and bad for all makers. Over time, if a given brand has a large number of unhappy customers, that brand will get a lot of negative reviews, and if they have a lot of happy customers, they will get positive ones. By they way, I note that some websites are now starting to extend this concept beyond products to services. Thus, yahoo local, or superpages, provides a way for consumers to review service businesses, such as yours or mine. It hasn't really caught on yet, but I am starting to get some reviews of my stores. Fortunately all of them have been very positive, so far. http://www.superpages.com/ http://web3.ls.mud.yahoo.com/ |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/16/07 at 5:32pm cprohman wrote:
I guess that shows that Dyson's focus on reliability is producing some results. The older Dysons that were consistently at the bottom of the Which? charts never found their way to the US, so the experience in the US should be different. I note that Dysons continue to be very highly ranked on Epinions, and if there were major reliability problems, that wouldn't be the case. [/quote] Well Carl: With 500 engineers and a POS of $500 plus, I would think dyson should do much better in 8 straight years than offer "hopeful signs" for future years' reliability of their vacuums. How many years and engineers does it take to make a decent upright vacuum worth its selling price? Forget canisters, dyson has 2 strikes in the USA market already: DC11 and 10 times as bad the DC21 both for $499. Dyson will be lucky if it can reach the vacuum's price in the number of sales, without reducing the price. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by HARDSELL on 04/16/07 at 8:34pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
I guess that shows that Dyson's focus on reliability is producing some results. The older Dysons that were consistently at the bottom of the Which? charts never found their way to the US, so the experience in the US should be different. I note that Dysons continue to be very highly ranked on Epinions, and if there were major reliability problems, that wouldn't be the case. [/quote] Well Carl: With 500 engineers and a POS of $500 plus, I would think dyson should do much better in 8 straight years than offer "hopeful signs" for future years' reliability of their vacuums. How many years and engineers does it take to make a decent upright vacuum worth its selling price? Forget canisters, dyson has 2 strikes in the USA market already: DC11 and 10 times as bad the DC21 both for $499. Dyson will be lucky if it can reach the vacuum's price in the number of sales, without reducing the price. Carmine D. [/quote] Carmine the BS is surfacing again so lay off the POS designation. You missed all calls on Dyson's success to date. Get ovet it. Tell us more about the POS Hoover that is over priced (regardless of price) or better yet the Oreck that can't sell without a gift. BTW, nobody gives a s**t about the CR rating or rug institute approval that we continually hear about. None of that has hurt Dyson sales. Price may be the only obstacle that Dyson has to overcome. On the other hand no vacuum is worth $500. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/16/07 at 10:09pm HARDSELL wrote:
Hello HS: It's nice to have your (and other dyson lovers) partial agreement on many of things stated in criticism of dyson, its products, and pricing. In time, there will be total agreement. But after taking 5 years for you and others to at least come into partial agreement, let's hope the rest of the agreement doesn't take quite as long. My sense is that if your favorite brand were thought highly by one/more industry sources you would want others to know and would say so without being asked. Just as the product makers/retailers do. And if viewed negatively by these sources, and you like the product regardless, you impugn them. That's human nature and its shortcomings. Consumers are spending their own money. This entitles them to make up their own minds with regard to industry sources of information. And use and/or not use them with passion/prejudice as they please in their buying decisions, just like you. If and when you fork over $469 to buy a dyson DC18 lite, I'll gladly buy whatever vacuum you tell me. But until and unless you do, I'll use my $149 plus tax to buy an ORECK XL (with no giveaways). This will make my dear Wife very happy. She doesn't know/care about CR ratings, CRI seals of approval, Which? Reports and ASTM testing standards. She's used the ORECK XL many years ago and DC18 dyson-lite just recently for about the same amount of time. And she's made up her mind that the ORECK XL is the better of the two vacuums and the right purchase to her liking. Since she allowed me to buy the DC07 pink (against her better judgement), I figure I owe her this ORECK. And I happen to also agree with her now. I will add that the findings and conclusions of industry sources agree with my dear Wife too (with the DC07 and the ORECK). And I'm more confident that my $149 will be well spent on the ORECK XL than it was on the DC07 pink, which I gifted away (as my dear Wife said I told you so). If these facts and circumstances don't agree with your opinions, then I have news for you too: That's your problem and you need to GET OVER IT! ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 04/17/07 at 3:16am Which probably didn't test any Hoover or Electrolux etc.. model due to the fact Hoover (UK) has not come out with anything different or new in years. They are still using the 'pure power' model from the mid 90's! Which thought there was nothing new to test that would be worth writing about! As for the Hoover 'The one' that was unsuccessful! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 04/17/07 at 3:21am Hi Carmine I'm not sure on the DC21 but I would think so. The dirt path on the DC18 would be covered by the 5 year warranty. The same as the main hose for above floor cleaning would be covered. The only thing I would say is not covered on the DC18 is the brushes on the brush bar and the pre-motor filter. JD |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/17/07 at 8:13am JD wrote:
Hello JD: I don't think the attachment hose is covered for 5 years. It is a wear and tear part (just like the dirt path hose but more expensive) and is not included under a limited product warranty. Unless the hose is defective out of the box and/or soon thereafter. Note that many of the repairs to dyson products in the Which? Reports' survey are hose related. The same with the USA dyson models: dirt path hose problems. The design is poor and a stress point issue. It is common to see dyson dirt path hoses "pinched' (prone to blockage problems), loose and/or off on the stores' display models. The DC15 dirt path hose is an improvement in part due to all the previous criticisms of the DC07 and DC14. Why? The DC15 dirt path hose is wider, sturdier, longer (for wider range of motion due to swiveling), uses exterior exposed connections (for quick and easy user maintenance) and "cuffed" on the pressure/stress points of the nozzle head and vacuum. The DC18 hose reverts to the old poorer dyson dirt path design, form and function of the DC07 and DC14 with the added stress and strain of the ball swiveling. And so does the DC21. IMHO Some, like me, would say that since the DC18 and DC21 came to market with lower POS prices ($469 and $499) than the DC15 ($599), dyson made compromises to the design and function from the DC15. And knowing the $100 price drop of the DC15 after 6 months, the same may come to pass with the DC18 and DC21. The DC15 had high consumer expectations of the "greater dyson" due to alot of advance hype and hawking. Not the case with the latter dyson models which came to market with consumers' yawns and indiffernce. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/17/07 at 8:23am Trilobite wrote:
Starting in the Fall of 2006, Which? Reports recommended dyson vacuums as best buys despite the concerns and failings with reliability. Why? According to Which? the reason is the extended dyson 5 year warranty (effective August 14, 2006) from 2 years previously. The DC15 was launched in the USA in April 2005 barely 2 years ago. As Consumer Reports indicates vacuum reliability data require at least 4 years of usage to gauge, and additional time to measure and report. The May 2007 CR vacuum data were based on years 2002-2006. The DC17 Absolute Animal (launched in the USA in August 2006), DC18 Slim dyson lite and DC21 Stowaway (both in Feb 2007); all these are too recent to have firm sales and reliability data. THere is no reliability for the DC11 in the USA. It was pulled off the market after 9 months (which speaks volumes to the performance and pricing of the product IMHO). BTW CR was complimentary of the DC11 right up until the time it got pulled. And made no further mention of it again. CR also reported "tentatively" a couple of years ago that dyson was "on par" with other vacuum brands for repairs after 2 years. And nothing unusual and/or out of the ordinary to report during the 2 years. I call this "guarded optimism." These CR statements comport with the Which? Reports reliability statements in April 2007. As I would expect. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by cprohman on 04/17/07 at 12:00pm Yes, so far the data seems to show that the DC07 and later models which were imported into the US did not have the reliability issues that "Which?" found in England with the DC01-DC05 models. I have had very good luck with my DC07s, which have been used commercially for over 4 years now, but they have not been completely trouble free. We had a broken pre-motor filter clip on one vacuum, and two cords damaged by a person who yanked them out of the wall from 30 feet away. The major, recurring problem, however, is the dirt path hose. This fails regularly, probably every 2 years or so of commercial use. Fortunately, unlike the Floormate, it is a standard hose size, and inexpensive and easy to replace. We bought some hose and replace them as needed. An average consumer wouldn't realize they need to do this. We also did replace some sole-plate rollers, but that was non-essential. Also we replaced the worn brushrolls after 4 years, due to the heavy use. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/17/07 at 5:07pm cprohman wrote:
Hello Carl: I do not concur with the above statement. Why? There is a pervasive sentiment among UK vacuum consumers that the quality of dysons deteriorated after the move of the production plant from Malmesbury to Malaysia (with the start of the DC07 models). Why? Mass produced dysons by contractors not employees. And it is further believed by industry watchers that the recent losses of dyson vacuum market share in the UK in 2005 and predicted in 2006 is in large part a reflection of this sentiment. My sense is the Which? reports probably fuel some of this sentiment too, since the last 8 consecutive years of reliability of dyson vacuums is the worse in the industry according to Which? reports. I think the 5 year warranty is a dyson effort to sure up the sagging reliability reputation while raising and maintaining higher and higher retail prices (This is a point that RAT made a long time ago on the Forum and I have not seen or read anything concrete to contradict it). And the same reason that dyson consistently publicly boasts of its 500 engineers. As HARDSELL likes to quip: Who cares? It doesn't affect dyson sales. BUt yes indeeed it does, if not in reality then in perception, which is for all intents and purposes reality in the market place of consumer opinion. With the claim that dyson is the best selling vacuum by dollar sales (not citing verifiable details), in order to counter the pros' reservations about its poor quality. And I believe another reason dyson raises and strictly maintains the exorbitant retail prices on its old and newest models. To make and support the sales claim. Why? Industry Pros will accept the claim, without question and say its the dyson $500 plus selling prices. I suspect if James were the CEO of a privately held company with a record of 8 straight consecutive years as the worse product reliability in the industry, he would have been canned a long time ago. Why? Because he would be held accountable and the information would be a matter of public record. Fortunately for his sake, he owns the company (thanks in large part to TWO lawsuits with substantial monetary compensations awarded to dyson) and his job and that of his Wife and son are in his hands and not a Board of Directors and public stakeholders. He keeps the data held close to his vest. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by cprohman on 04/17/07 at 8:22pm The belief among the British that quality would fall with overseas manufacturing was an understandable emotional response when a country lost jobs to overseas, but the "Which?" and CR data don't seem to support that opinion. If anything the data shows that quality improved at that point, though it isn't clear whether the improvement in reliability is a result of moving the manufacturing, or because of design improvements in the DC07 versus earlier models. I say this because CR has not seen the kind of bad reliability data that "Which?" used to find, and CR data includes only the DC07 and later models (made in Malaysia), whereas the "Which?" data showing major reliability issues was based on older models (made in England). Also, Which?", according to your quote, apparently in their most recent survey now finds that at least early on, the newer Dysons are more reliable than average for vacuums. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/18/07 at 8:01am Hello Carl: Time will tell. Consumer Reports' lowering of the ratings and rankings of dyson vacuums from year to year does not bode well for the top priced bagless brand import. In concert with CR's inclination to impugn overpriced, false claims, and "fad"products (like the Ionic Breeze). I will be interested to see whether and how Consumer Reports addresses the rug warranty void by one major wool carpet manufacturer in California. I can attest firsthand to dyson's shortcomings on my Mohawk wool carpets based on my own personal usage. The DC07 pink was worthless and useless on my wool carpets despite written dyson claims on the carton and product literature to the contrary (which dyson has since eliminated and/or toned down). I'll see how the Oreck XL does in comparison on my wool carpets. My sense is that my dear Wife will enjoy using it on the ceramic tiles, wool carpets and throw rugs and the XL will perform like a winner. For $149, it was an offer I could not refuse (for my Wife's sake and the good of the marriage). :) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 04/18/07 at 11:37am I'll see how the Oreck XL does in comparison on my wool carpets. My sense is that my dear Wife will enjoy using it on the ceramic tiles, wool carpets and throw rugs and the XL will perform like a winner. For $149, it was an offer I could not refuse (for my Wife's sake and the good of the marriage). :) Carmine D. Hey Carmine,at that price you should be jailed for robbery. were you wearing a mask and carry a gun? ;D ;D ;D O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/18/07 at 12:14pm Hello OT: No, just a proud owner of an English lab and member of the Humane Society of the US. Qualifies me and others for the lower Oreck XL price. ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 04/20/07 at 4:01am Hello Carmine Although the hose and dirt path hose may be subject to wear and tear they are still covered in the 5 year warranty! The same could be said for the wand as you are using it for above floor cleaning but I've had a new one of them before under warranty! Had a new soleplate,you could say that wear and tear! I would say the dirt path on the DC15 is no better than the DC18 as it is exposed! I've seen a few where the hose has been knocked off and the clip broken off. One thing I found is it gets in the way when cleaning along skirting boards etc... Hence why they changed it on the DC18 Slim. To be honest I've never had any problems with the hose or the dirt path hose on any of my Dyson's!! I don't know what people do with them! JD |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/20/07 at 7:49am Hello JD: Thanks for the follow up posts. Covering "wear and tear" parts under a limited warranty (especially 5 years limited) sounds out of the ordinary. Save for unconditional warranties. Exceptions to the rule on wear and tear parts are sometimes allowed depending on the facts and circumstances. On a case by case bases. I explained before having bought a HOOVER Floor Mate in August 2006 (Model 3060) and the next day cracking the nozzle. My fault. HOOVER covered the part and free shipping (which I suspect is about $25-35 plus shipping) under warranty. It was not under warranty. The customer service rep granted some latitude in the coverage. It was clearly a crack caused by me the user. The dirt by-pass hoses on the DC07 are flimsy and proned to coming off easily during use. Because of its under machine position and exposure, it snags on the floors and rugs causing it to come off. I like the durability and extra strength of the DC15 dirt path hose (and wider diameter). I don't like the side mount for the reason you mentioned. Strange how dyson waffles back and forth with the size and positioning of the dirt path hose. Almost like the vacuum is still in a "prototype mode." I call it a "work-in-process." Never completed. Did the same with the cyclone design. I would think after 5174 tries once dyson settled in on a dirt and air direction, it stick with it. Nope. Doesn't make sense to me. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 04/20/07 at 9:21am By pass designs, anyway's the first one available to the general public[on an upright].was the hoover dial-a-matic,i can recalling the industry pro's condeming this set up,the biggest ,most logical reason was the way the airflow,dirtpath system was set up,too many angles. IT picked up better on the right hand side of the cleaner,[LOOKING AT IT FROM THE HANDLE DOWN] :D,while the dial was not well recieved by the indy's,a lot of service issues involved,Hoover kept hammering away at the public,and these were more than likely the most popular vacuum in the business ,dont recall how long the production run was?Ibelive this was the older brother of the concept 1 which was and still is one of the top 1 or 2 cleaning machines in the world.You guys can bicker back and forth all you want,but this can not be disputed,hoover beat every one else to the punch with getting the dirt out of rugs. more to come later regards O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/20/07 at 2:00pm Hello OT: The first Dial was the model 1100 about 1963 and had the by pass hose (which was tuflex just like it's attachment hose) screwed into the dirt path channeling which was painted plastic. HOOVER soon made a few quick and easy changes. HOOVER cuffed the hose connection in the vacuum and made it a pressure fit (for easy removal to clean and unclog). And made the dirt by-pass channeling see-thru clear plastic so users could see/clear any clogs (like Christmas tree needles). Dials and power dials had a long successful production run (about 20 plus years) and led to the Concept series. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 04/20/07 at 5:50pm Hello guy's indeed the dial with power drive,was a great item for the older customers that still wanted the deep cleaning of the hoover upright without the push pull factor,the transmission really did the trick ,I honestly feel the tech drive in the generation series kirby actually saved kirby,because the older customers that wanted to stay with the brand bought again and the machine cleaned and performed like a kirby but was as easy to use as pushing a broom. I feel kirby owes hoover for inventing the self propelled vacuum. more to come....... O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Trilobite on 04/20/07 at 10:21pm JD wrote:
I've seen Dyson DC04's with split dirt-path hoses. It seems to be because the floor nozzle is constantly flexing the hose as the cleaning head adjusts to the floor surface, as the cleaner is pushed back and forth. UK Electrolux 500 uprights had a dirt-path hose too, but it was narrower and reinforced with polyester/nylon mesh (similar to the American Hoover hoses). |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 04/21/07 at 12:27pm Hi Carmine Your welcome! I have not had any problems with the dirt path hose on my DC07. It's never come off, teared or broken in the 5 years plus I've had the machine from new. Nor has the dirt path hose come into contact with flooring. In fact when you use the cleaner the that hose is pushed upwards away from the floor. Where it is attached to the cleaning head is away from the floor. I can see where Trilobite is coming from, with the dirt path hose on the DC04, and even the DC07 and DC14 it is constantly flexing! JD |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by cprohman on 04/21/07 at 12:40pm In commercial use, I've seen several dirt hose failures on the DC07s. I agree that it is due to the flexing. They are easy to replace, and not a big deal to us, but to a consumer, a hose failure would probably not be noticed, except that the vacuum wouldn't pick up anymore. They may well last for many year in a home, though - they flex a lot more than normal in commercial use. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/21/07 at 12:44pm JD: How high is the rug pile on the carpets that you vacuum over the last 5 years with your DC07? Low, medium, high? Carmine D |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 04/21/07 at 12:48pm Carmine Medium pile carpets mainly and some thick pile as well! The DC01 and DC03 had solid dirt pathes so never had any issues! JD |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/21/07 at 3:37pm JD: Really? Medium to high pile? Pretty good for the DC07. How often do you vacuum? And any pets? Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by HARDSELL on 04/21/07 at 6:42pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Mine has not come off in 3 years or use. If you dislike Dyson just say so but please be honest with your comments. People do not respect dishonesty |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/21/07 at 7:08pm Hello HS: The DC07 cost $439 when it was launched and now sells for $399 at most retailers. The by-pass hose serves the same function as the attachment hose except shorter. For all intents and purposes, from my perspective, the dirt by pass hose should mirror the same identical quality of the vacuum's attachment hose. On most, if not all, other vacuums it does. See for yourself if you don't believe me. Not so on the dyson DC07. It is a flimsy $2 item (if that) and is not secured to the vacuum. It is a pressure fit. Dyson should be ashamed to use it on its vacuums, considering the high asking price and the importance of the dirt by-pass hose. Dyson could have, and should have, done a much better job with the quality of the dirt by pass hose and its connection to the vacuum. AND STILL CAN! But chooses not to. The excuse that some dyson fans make that it is a cheap item, and it is no big deal to fix it when it comes off, is dishonest. IMHO. If the dyson dirt by pass hose were used on the dyson play vacuum (which may be) a $39 Dirt Devil and/or a $100 HOOVER FM, I probably would excuse it (as some dyson lovers do). Not on a $400 plus vacuum. It doesn't pass mustard for the MSRP. Since you asked for honesty, I gave it to you. There are too many real shortcomings and problems with all the dyson vacuums to have to resort to making them up. And since I'm being honest with you, the dirt by pass hose in the DC18 nozzle and DC21 power head is not much better in quality than the DC07. Much too cheap for the high premium prices. IMH but honest O. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by cprohman on 04/21/07 at 7:56pm Actually, if I recall correctly, the hose threads on to a connector, and isn't just a pressure fit. I've never seen the hose come off. Rather what I have seen is the hose wear out and develop holes in it at a flex point. The bypass hose, in my opinion, is one of the weakest design points of the vacuum, along with the lame sole-plate rollers. Now, the question is, how serious of an issue is it? The hoses fail after 2-3 years of daily commercial use on low pile carpet. How long do they take to fail in a home? Five year? Ten year? My guess is that it would be somewhere in between these two. Yes, Dyson could have done a better design job on this hose, but if that's the worst thing wrong with the design, most consumers will be happy for quite awhile. The bottom line is that CR hasn't seen any unusual repair issues on these, and the latter model Dysons have also done fine in the Which? surveys. For me the proper comparison is to my Hoover Floormate 3000 units. They get used about 1/20 as many hours as the Dysons, yet their hoses fail too. At least when the Dyson hose fails, I can take $1 worth of standard hose and replace it, whereas with the FLoormate I have thus far waited over 2 months for a special-order part that will cost me $15. If Dyson gets a "C" for this part of the design, if you were honest, you'd have to give Hoover an "F". |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/21/07 at 10:27pm Hey Carl: How do you get the same hose section to thread on two different location points on the vacuum by turning it in only one direction? One hose side will tighten with the turning while the other side loosens and vice versa? ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by D.E.P. on 04/21/07 at 11:22pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Acutally Camine, The hose is threaded on both ends - the end going into the diverter valve screws into a coupler that goes into the valve - the end on the cleaner head threads onto the head with no adapter... Here is a website that shows the hose removal as one of the steps in replacing the motor... http://www.sparesaver.com/technical_advice/DC07_technical_advice/dc07_Motor_BC.htm Dan |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/21/07 at 11:29pm Hello Dan: You're referring to steps 6 and 7. This answers my question and proves my point. In step 6 a cuffed end pulls off. In step 7 the cuffless hose ends unwinds. This suggests one side of the dirt by pass hose is held onto the vacuum by a pressure fitting rubber cuff. The other side threads on. While the hose threads into the cuff, the cuff doesn't thread onto the machine. The cuffed hose end connects by pressure. The hose is screwed into the cuff, not on the vacuum. This set up allows one hose end to tighten by turning/winding while the cuffed end swivels up/down and back and forth by pressure. Thus allowing the cuffed hose end to turn back and forth and move up and down as the cuffless hose end is tightened on. Not a very well designed connection for a dirt by pass hose on a $400 vacuum cleaner. More like a $40 to $100 vacuum. IMHO. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by D.E.P. on 04/21/07 at 11:38pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Hi Carmine, I would agree that the valve body side of the hose connection is some type of pressure fit or snap type of cuff that is threaded onto the hose... Dan |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/21/07 at 11:53pm I prefer to say that the hose is threaded into the cuff and the cuff is pushed onto the vacuum. Pressure on--pressure off. Since there is no clamp fastening either hose side (with and without the cuff) securely to the vacuum with screws, over time and with use the cuff and uncuffed end stretches, opens, comes loose and pulls off. Not worthy to be a $400 priced vacuum. IMHO. As I said, the quality of the dirt by pass hoses in the DC18 and DC21 is no better than the DC07. $469 and $499 vacuums respectively. IMHO not worth the prices. And priced in a range that competes with the best quality vacuum brands sold at the indy's like Miele, SEBO, RICCAR/Simplicity, Aerus and Bosch. Tough indy competition for a vacuum name brand (dyson) that has become synonymous with big box stores and exorbitant prices and profits. Big box stores want to sell new vacuums to people every year, not every 10-20 years (like the indy's). Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/22/07 at 12:34am cprohman wrote:
Carl: Let's stay honest and sincere and not get carried away with your enthusiasm. Consumer Reports has not officially reported on dyson vacuums' reliability yet. It tentatively said (not definitively) that it has not found anything unusual to report after 2 years. CR made this observation when dyson vacuums still had a 2 year limited warranty. Dysons now come with a 5 year limited warranty, except for the DC07 Original at Wal*Mart which still is 2 years despite a $378 MSRP and the DC16 hand held for $149 which has a 2 year warranty. And Which? reports said there are hopeful signs of dyson reliability (tentative not definitive) for future years FOR ITS UPRIGHTS. Dyson cylinders (canisters) and uprights are and have been at the bottom of the totem pole (THE WORSE) for vacuum reliability according to Which? reports for the last 8 consecutive years. That's an ignominious product performance record that would have had any USA publicly held company's CEO canned years ago. Especially in light of the DC11 and DC16. Add the contrarotating washer and you have the laughing stock of Wall Street along with the firing. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 04/22/07 at 8:06am Medium pile and thick pile carpets and never had a problem with the dirt path hose on my DC07! Use it once a week for big clean and once to twice in the week for a quick clean around! No pets! Wish Dyson would put metal soleplates on ALL uprights not just on the DC15! The dirt path hose on the DC07 (same probably for the DC04, DC14) is threaded onto the cleaning head and clicked into to connect to the main part of the cleaner! Suppose Dyson could of used the same hose on the dirt path as used for the main above floor cleaning hose (as they did on the DC15) but there must of been a reason for this!! I can only think the reason it was different on the DC15 as it was in view, on the outside. One think I have noticed is the dirt path hose on the DC18 is more flexible (softer) than the ones used on the DC04, DC07 and DC14! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/22/07 at 8:16am Hello JD: The reasons for the dbh are "cheap" and "amatuerish" vacuum engineers. Any one of us on the Forum could have done better (than the 500 dyson engineers). Save Carl who is an engineer. ;) No pets: Piece of cake. Don't get all the pet hair stuck around the by-pass hose and inside the hose (static electricity). And no pet hair wrap to cut off the brushbar. BTW, ever get the infamous dyson ratcheting noise on the medium to high pile carpets in the last 5 years? And rug wrap on the brushbar? Were the rugs new when you started "hoovering" with the DC07? I vacuum every day (sometimes more than once daily) rugs and floors. I have medium pile wool Mohawk and ceramic tiles. Have to vacuum daily. English lab sheds alot of hair. And new wool rugs. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 04/22/07 at 8:45am Hello Carmine My personal view is the dirt path is fine, from my own experience and family and friends experience no issues have been had! Well not yet! Then here in the UK other vacuum cleaners 'look' and 'feel' cheap and nothing like models of yesterday year, of the 70, 80 and early 90's!! No pets but humans shed skin and hair onto floors. So if someone has long hair it does occasionally get wrapped around the brush bar. So occassional I've had to remove some hair! Saying that though we have had Hoovers (Juniors and Turbopower) and Electrolux (Airstream) and the brush bars on them had to be cleaned down. My DC07 has been used for 2 years or so at my parents house both new and older carpets. Since we started using Dyson vacs the piles do get lifted, probably not so much on older carpet as the ware on the pile. But still is noticable. All my flooring is new in my apartment and the DC07 does a excellent job! Never had the 'ratcheting' noise go off on my DC07 (nor my DC03, DC04) only when we have by accident vacuumed the duster up! Carperts never affected it ! JD |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/22/07 at 9:12am Thanks JD. I have 2 grand daughters too (3 yo and 7 months) that visit every day. And the dust from the desert. And the shedding lab. Have to vacuum everyday in every way. HOOVER WT Supreme is the best so far. By far beat out the DC07 pink which always gave me the ratcheting noise in part because the nozzle fell deep into my medium pile wool carpets, which snagged the dirt by pass hose. Looking forward to the ORECK XL to compare with the HOOVER WT. Should be arriving any day soon. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 04/22/07 at 9:20am One thing that I think was said on this thread is the new combi tool on the DC18 mainly the brush part was not very good and not big. I've used my parents and found quite useful and upto the job. You can buy the normal size to fit onto the end of the hose/wand. The combi tool brush is very similuar to the original small one on the DC01. The smaller brush is better for getting into tighter/smaller places! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by cprohman on 04/22/07 at 10:25am Carmine_Difazio wrote:
You've made this same observation probably 10 times that I've seen, and who knows how many times that I haven't seen. Repeating it, however, doesn't make it true. With any CEO, you would measure the overall performance. What is Dyson's record with regard to market penetration? Profitability? By your measure, why hasn't the CEO of Google been sacked? They have tried to diversify into numerous spin-off products, and virtually all of those efforts have been failures. The answer is that the CEO doesn't get fired because the overall company performance is good. I suspect that Dyson is very profitable, and in fact, probably the most profitable vacuum company in the world. If Dyson should be fired, what about the CEOs of all the less profitable vacuum companies? Shouldn't they all get canned, too? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by cprohman on 04/22/07 at 10:37am Carmine_Difazio wrote:
I agree that some honesty and sincerity would be good. You attack the Dyson company products in vitually every post you make here, and when you aren't attacking the products, you attack the man personally. If, as you claim, these are unimportant niche products, why do you talk about them so often? Are you consumed by some form of personal hatred? My "enthusiasm" as you call it, is simply confined to occasionally correcting dis-information posted here. If people stuck to being "honest and sincere", I wouldn't have much to say. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 04/22/07 at 11:15am Hi ,the dc07 dirt path hose is 1 1/2o.d. 6 inches long, wire reinforced,we use to all it supervacuflex,it's also clear, it can be almost threaded into the sole plate and cuff at the valve,my personal fix would be to glue it on with pvc pipe cement.If you heated 1/1/4 hose at the ends this would work also,It's really no big deal can be handled by any person that has a clue how to repair things....... O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JD on 04/22/07 at 1:17pm Well said Cprohman! I agree with you! Everyone has their personal views and experience on products and favorites too. Why people attack Dyson so much. After all he is only trying to invent better products! After all no other vacuum cleaner is perfect by far! Every product on the market - vacuums (and other appliances) have their bad points as well as good! Dyson just does things different to the nor, after all why not! Dyson has given the Vacuum Market (well in the UK anyway) a kick up the back side it's long needed! People that make comments and praise Dyson are no different to the people that make comments and praise Hoover, Electrolux, Kirby, Sebo, Oreck etc........ so why the attack on Dyson and people that prefer and like them. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/22/07 at 2:07pm Hey Carl: I was being ironic about the engineer reference. No need to take it personal and professional. Like I've also said about 10 times, I respect you and your posts despite my difference in views on most subjects with you, not just dyson vacuum products. IMHO engineers are terrible business leaders and managers. Dyson fits the mold. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/22/07 at 2:14pm old-timer wrote:
Hello Jimmy P/OT: Excellent fix. Spoken like a CVS expert. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 04/22/07 at 2:45pm Hi Carmine,speaking of central vacuum systems,there really has not been too much new going on.T he industry buzz is that CVS'S are like wood burning stoves,in meaning that everyone that wanted one has already bought one. Although the service end of the industry,repairs,service,parts,pretty much have stayed steady. For the homeowner looking at cleaning equipment,centrals are now running neck and neck with portables,as far as the curiosity factor.As you know we sell both portable and central systems.About 70% of the sales are still central systems.The pricing is very attractive in comparison to portables. more to come..... O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/22/07 at 3:09pm Hello Jimmy P/OT I was surprised that the Del Webb homes here in Sun City Aliante (LV) did not have the CVS as options. When we looked at the same Del Webb homes in Florida, CVS was an option and even offered several models. Not so here in Vegas. I think it's an excellent market because many people retire here from other locations and portable vacuums are the last thing they take with them. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/22/07 at 3:37pm To all you dyson fans who like to collectively jump on me in unison for my honest criticisms of dyson and the products over the last 5 years, I'll take the credit for plunking down $250 for a new DC07 pink in September 2006 and taking it through the tests in my new house in Las Vegas. Had the dyson experience been other than as I reported, I would have changed my dyson views and comments. And report honestly on the results. I have nothing to gain/or lose except the $250 (which I lost). But the dyson experience wasn't good. Quite the opposite. It was pretty much as I expected and reported before ownership. And being useless and worthless for my needs, I gifted the DC07 away. Despite being told by the dyson HELPLINE to return it for a refund. Which I never did. Give me some more credit again. At least one major wool rug manufacturer, after I reported my experience with the DC07 pink, voided its warranty on wool rugs too if ANY dyson vacuum is used. I'm sure with good cause, unrelated to its liking/disliking dyson and its products for anything other than purely professional reasons. Was there any personal and professional barbs hurled at this rug maker when it made the announcement? No none at all. The dyson lovers were conspicuously silent and still are. Business is business. You don't last long in the vacuum industry in the USA by making and selling poor performing products at exorbitant prices at big box retailers. IMHO. Dyson has at least 2 in 5 years that even dyson lovers would agree are terrible: The DC11 and the DC16. One was pulled off the market by dyson and the other wishes it were. Will I give dyson another chance? Maybe. After the Oreck XL arrives and used in my house. Have to wait and see. If and when I do, I'll post honestly about the results. Just as I would hope and trust all dyson lovers do (even those who sell them). Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by HARDSELL on 04/22/07 at 7:52pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
So are old farts who can't let go of the past. Dyson ate your lunch so let it go. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by HARDSELL on 04/22/07 at 7:59pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
If your criticisms were honest no one would jump on you. My experience with brands other than Dyson have been as bad or worse than you Dyson experience. What makes you so special that when I or others have good Dyson results we are wrong we are wrong? We have all heard at least 100 times that you live in Las Vegas and have Mohawk carpet. Is there something special about this that we are missing? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/22/07 at 9:56pm Hello HARDSELL: If there is something you're missing after 100X of me saying it, you're alot slower than I thought. ;) And if you were any slower, you would be backing up. I'm looking forward to getting a real lightweight vacuum, the ORECK XL at 8 pounds and testing it in my new LV house. You know the ORECK brand name well. That's the vacuum brand, company and owner that you like to talk about here as much as I do dyson. Equal time I always say. Interesting, no one ever takes you on for doing so against ORECK. Just me for dyson. Why do you think that is? Well, after I've used it, I'll be sure to give an honest assessment of my findings and conclusions not just to the Forum but ORECK too. And also my dear Wife's opinion. Just as I gave her opinion on the dyson DC07 pink. It's always good to get the women's opinion. Pay close attention this time. I'm only saying it once, unless I have questions. Did you know that the single most negative comment by women about the dyson is it's weight. Even by women dyson lovers. That's the reason dyson came out with the DC18 Slim. See, I bet you didn't know that factoid. You heard it from me. HARDSELL wrote:
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 04/23/07 at 9:33am Hi Carmine, In your Oreck/Dyson review,test, what parameters are you going to use,flat out carpet cleaning?.attachment use?[I know the XL doesnt have any],ease of use,are you going to judge company against company?. You are comparing a 150.00 low buck upright against Dysons 470.00 latest.If you just look at the cost difference most people would say the dysons should win hands down. Just give a good honest review. O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/23/07 at 12:09pm Hello Jimmy P/OT: Good questions and still in process of determining the benchmarks. Some are very easy: It's easy to see when the HOOVER WT is used on my wool carpets: The pile is refreshed and not matted down. Even the Eureka and RICCAR (with metal brush rollers and beater bars) don't have the same effect as the H-WT. Curious to see how the Oreck does. I have no doubt that the Oreck will perform marvelously on the bare ceramic floors (about 75 percent of the house). Also, the HOOVER has an embedded dirt finder. It was not uncommon after using the dyson DC07 pink, which was extremely difficult to push and pull and constantly gave me the ratcheting noises, to use the HOOVER and have the red light appear as I vacuumed the same areas just vacuumed with the dyson. Not so with the Eureka and RICCAR (both old vacuums). Curious to perform the same procedure with the Oreck and HOOVER and see what happens. Then the other usual signs. How much of the pet hair gets into the bag without wrapping around the brush roller and sticking to the underside of the vacuum. THis is an excellent test on wool rugs, in particular. Especially in the hot dry climate of the desert which is inclined to static electricity. The dyson was miserable. THe HOOVER better. But the Eureka and RICCAR are the best because of the metal soleplates. And the coup de grace. A good and dear friend here in Vegas has the DC07 Animal. She is married to a Brit. She loves her dyson. I have asked her to use the ORECK too and will want to get her reaction. She has two floors, rugs and bare floors and two dogs. Her dyson is slightly more than 2 years old. Attachments are out. None on the Oreck. And you're right this is the bottom of the line Oreck not the top of line XL21 hence the $149. If you have any suggestions, let me know. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 04/23/07 at 3:45pm Hi Carmine,are you going to try the popcorn test?.See if you can get your hands on kapoc.And try the confetti thing.And just for kicks start with the oreck bag half full. And dont forget the scent tab............ O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/23/07 at 4:53pm Hello Jimmy P/OT: The ORECK comes with 2 genuine papers and I bought a package of 8 more. Plenty to do the tests. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by HARDSELL on 04/23/07 at 7:03pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
I am not taken on for criticizing Oreck because the intelligent readers know that it has poor performance and that it takes a gimmick to sell it. Most women only know if the vacuum is running. They have no idea if it is removing dirt. They also like flashy convertibles regardless of how poorly they perform. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/23/07 at 8:41pm old-timer wrote:
Jimmy P/OT: An indy here in North LV agreed to give me kapoc. Although I think my lab's hair is more difficult to vacuum up. The indy sells new Miele's and RICCAR/Simplicity's. He has a back room full of dysons taken in on trade. :) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/27/07 at 9:32pm old-timer wrote:
Absolutely ingenious. Dear Wife loves it! We ordered another for her Mother for her 85 birthday. More details to come. BTW, I received a frantic email one evening earlier this week from my dear [dyson loving] friend here in LV. Seems the DC07 Animal got clogged with pet hair. She removed the soleplate (she's an engineer) and cleared the hair and reinstalled. She said that since the event she is constantly getting a grinding noise whenever she hits the vacuum against the wall or piece of furniture. And on the throw rugs. I presume she's describing the ratcheting noise. She went back to the 1995 purchased Tri-Star until I can take a look at the DC07. She is anxious to use the new Oreck which she initially judged as a vacuum only her Grandmother would use. ;) I mentioned the new dyson DC18 Slim lightweight at 16 pounds. Her response: 16 pounds is not lightweight. Sounds like a definite future Oreck user. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/28/07 at 10:33pm HARDSELL wrote:
HARDSELL: I've used the ORECK XL for several days now and I can say with absolute and unequivocal certainty that you are as wrong (or dishonest) as you can be. Quite in contradiction to your criticism of ORECK it has performed superbly on my medium pile looped wool Mohawk carpets, our area rugs, ceramic tile floors and numerous throw rugs. Both cleaning and grooming the rugs and restoring them to their new look and feel. My ORECK XL cost $149, it is the bottom of the line model, and no giveaways. I also paid the $29 shipping and $16 for 8 additional bags. As I mentioned, my dear Wife and I are so impressed with its performance she ordered one for her Mother for a birthday gift. If an ORECK can clean and groom my wool Mohawk medium pile carpets, and the dyson DC07 pink cannot, in comparison I recommend the ORECK over dyson for rug and floor cleaning without reservation. As I mentioned, I plan to loan the Oreck to a good and dear friend who has been a DC07 Animal dyson user for the last 2 years and quite satisfied until she encountered a recent dyson glitch/problem. As I mentioned, she is an engineer. Aerospace. I look forward to getting her reactions too. And I will share those with you unless she wants to do so herself. :) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Trilobite on 04/29/07 at 9:59am Carmine: Did your pink DC07 have that flat 'ribbon' agitator? I'm of the opinion that that particular agitator design had flaws, in terms of a relatively sharp angular edge either side (front side and back) of the bristles. This would surely cause a cutting/slashing effect against the carpet pile. Not good for carpets. I'm still of the opinion that the Hoover metal agitators, and plastic activators (auger agitator) are best for giving the carpets a thorough cleaning - nothing less will do. Unfortunately, Hoover UK, appears to have swapped the broad 'auger agitator' for a narrow brushroll, with soft bristles - most disappointing. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/29/07 at 7:00pm Trilobite wrote:
Hello Trilobite: It did but that was not the shortcoming on my carpets. It is the dyson brushbar nozzle design. Self-adjusting. However on medium to high pile carpets when you realease the handle, the head "falls" into the carpet. This condition causes 4 main and 1 minor problems with DC07 and DC14 dyson uprights: The constant ratcheting noise which means the brushbar is stopped (and not doing its job); difficulty in pushing and pulling across the rug; excessive rug nap and also pet hair wrap on the brush bar (English yellow lab); and huge build of of pet hair on the soleplate and undercarriage of the dyson. Why? THe vacuum is rubbing across and into the rug, plastic on wool, dry desert air, static electricity and pet hair on the rug clings to the vacuum. The minor problem is snagging of the dirt by-pass hose on the carpet and loosening/coming off. The ORECK XL exhibits NONE of these problems in daily use. Ever the slightest amount of pet hair on the soleplate and this is my pet's worse time of the year for shedding. Vice September when I owned and tried to use the DC07 pink (not punk ;)), which is the least time for her shedding. I've bought 2 Orecks already. Contemplating 2 more in the next few days if I can get the price deal. The special is on the hotel edition. I suspect Oreck overbuilds them in anticipation of sale. When they meet the Hotels' needs they sell off the overage and donate a portion of the proceeds to charities. In the current case, the Humane Society of the US. A worthy cause especially in light of the recent pet food recall in the USA. Dozens of pets died, more are ill. Very timely and relevant act of charity and generosity by Oreck. BTW, I was in conversations with the dyson HELPLINE on several occasions. It suggested various work arounds which did not work. And recommended that I return the DC07 pink to the retailer for a refund. The technician said the dyson DC07 pink will not clean my carpets. I documented these facts and circumstances in writing and provided to dyson. And received a nice apology and assurance that my findings on the DC07 pink would be considered in future product design and development. I'll do the same with the Oreck: Document my XL results and send it into Oreck. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by HARDSELL on 04/29/07 at 7:08pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Absolutely ingenious. Dear Wife loves it! We ordered another for her Mother for her 85 birthday. More details to come. BTW, I received a frantic email one evening earlier this week from my dear [dyson loving] friend here in LV. Seems the DC07 Animal got clogged with pet hair. She removed the soleplate (she's an engineer) and cleared the hair and reinstalled. She said that since the event she is constantly getting a grinding noise whenever she hits the vacuum against the wall or piece of furniture. And on the throw rugs. I presume she's describing the ratcheting noise. She went back to the 1995 purchased Tri-Star until I can take a look at the DC07. She is anxious to use the new Oreck which she initially judged as a vacuum only her Grandmother would use. ;) I mentioned the new dyson DC18 Slim lightweight at 16 pounds. Her response: 16 pounds is not lightweight. Sounds like a definite future Oreck user. Carmine D. [/quote] Your mother in law is 85 and you have been telling us that you are 80. Did you rob the cradle? The Oreck will not likely clog. It will not pull enough dirt out to clog. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by HARDSELL on 04/29/07 at 7:15pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
HARDSELL: I've used the ORECK XL for several days now and I can say with absolute and unequivocal certainty that you are as wrong (or dishonest) as you can be. Quite in contradiction to your criticism of ORECK it has performed superbly on my medium pile looped wool Mohawk carpets, our area rugs, ceramic tile floors and numerous throw rugs. Both cleaning and grooming the rugs and restoring them to their new look and feel. My ORECK XL cost $149, it is the bottom of the line model, and no giveaways. I also paid the $29 shipping and $16 for 8 additional bags. As I mentioned, my dear Wife and I are so impressed with its performance she ordered one for her Mother for a birthday gift. If an ORECK can clean and groom my wool Mohawk medium pile carpets, and the dyson DC07 pink cannot, in comparison I recommend the ORECK over dyson for rug and floor cleaning without reservation. As I mentioned, I plan to loan the Oreck to a good and dear friend who has been a DC07 Animal dyson user for the last 2 years and quite satisfied until she encountered a recent dyson glitch/problem. As I mentioned, she is an engineer. Aerospace. I look forward to getting her reactions too. And I will share those with you unless she wants to do so herself. :) Carmine D.[/quote] What method did you use to determine how much dirt the Oreck has removed? After all it would be dishonest to make a statement of unequivocal certainty unless there is proof of the performance. Your friend must have a filthy home if her vacuum clogged, regardless of the brand. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/29/07 at 7:19pm HS: My dear Wife was much younger than me when we married. Now the age difference is almost negligible. The benefits of aging together. ;) My good and dear dyson loving friend has 4 dogs and 2 pre-school aged sons. She's married to a Brit aho bought the dyson DC07 Animal. Pet hair is the clogging culprit. If you read my test criteria for carpet cleaning, you know how I determined the carpets were clean after using the Oreck. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by HARDSELL on 04/29/07 at 8:26pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
I do not recall reading how you determined the performance of the Oreck in real life useage while cleaning the home. Please direct me to the post. Could you just be referring to the plastic peanuts? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/29/07 at 11:45pm HARDSELL wrote:
Here are the pertinent posts. No sense repeating all this information when it's already available. You must have confused OT's popcorn test with "peanuts." old-timer wrote:
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After the Oreck paper bag is half full from use, I'll pass along to my dyson friend with the DC07 Animal. She has used the dyson for about 2 years. Just recently had to change up to her 1995 Tristar because the dyson is acting up. And the ratcheting noises affect her pets so she had to retire the dyson. I think it just fell out of warranty from what she tells me, in part because it was a Christmas present from her husband and stayed new in the box for several months during a move. She actually got less than 2 years of actual usage before having problems. She will probably go the dyson HELPLINE route to see if they will cover under warranty/authorized dyson dealer for repair. While she was satisfied with the dyson performance up until just recently, she said that she would not have bought it herself. Unlike most people when I ask where the dyson is made, she did not say England. She said China (close). Probably her engineering background. As an aerospace engineer I'm sure she can make up her mind on the Oreck's performance and how it compares with her current and past vacuums. And what vacuum to buy to replace the DC07 Animal. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by HARDSELL on 04/30/07 at 7:14pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Here are the pertinent posts. No sense repeating all this information when it's already available. You must have confused OT's popcorn test with "peanuts." old-timer wrote:
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After the Oreck paper bag is half full from use, I'll pass along to my dyson friend with the DC07 Animal. She has used the dyson for about 2 years. Just recently had to change up to her 1995 Tristar because the dyson is acting up. And the ratcheting noises affect her pets so she had to retire the dyson. I think it just fell out of warranty from what she tells me, in part because it was a Christmas present from her husband and stayed new in the box for several months during a move. She actually got less than 2 years of actual usage before having problems. She will probably go the dyson HELPLINE route to see if they will cover under warranty/authorized dyson dealer for repair. While she was satisfied with the dyson performance up until just recently, she said that she would not have bought it herself. Unlike most people when I ask where the dyson is made, she did not say England. She said China (close). Probably her engineering background. As an aerospace engineer I'm sure she can make up her mind on the Oreck's performance and how it compares with her current and past vacuums. And what vacuum to buy to replace the DC07 Animal. Carmine D. [/quote] Wow, your carpets looked groomed. I said this same thing about the Oreck. How much dirt did the Oreck remove? Dirt destroys carpet. Apearance does not. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/30/07 at 8:09pm HARDSELL: Since I can only compare the Oreck XL with the dyson DC07 pink on MY medium pile wool Mohawk carpets, area and throw rugs and ceramic tile floors, I have to answer your question in this manner: The dyson DC07 pink ($399) was completely unusable on my medium pile wool Mohawk carpets. This was confirmed by the dyson HELPLINE after several technicians recommended several work arounds that failed to eliminate the gawdawful ratcheting noises (which means the brush bar is not turning). The Oreck XL ($149 plus $29 shipping) is very easy and quick to use on my Mohawk wool carpets. The ORECK XL gets out more dirt than the DC07 pink on MY carpets. And the Oreck XL grooms MY carpets and keeps them looking refreshed and resilient. The dyson DC07 pink could not. There's no comparison on MY carpets between the dyson DC07 pink performance (lack thereof) and the Oreck XL. Oreck wins handily every time. The Oreck XL is an excellent "daily user" and works well on ALL my floor and carpet surfaces. Unlike the dyson which did not. I would recommend the Oreck XL over the dyson DC07 pink on ALL medium pile wool carpeting without hesitation and reservation. Based on my own personal experience with both vacuums. The dyson was gifted away. The Oreck is staying and getting used daily. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by HARDSELL on 04/30/07 at 9:36pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Glad to know that you finally found a vacuum for Mohawk medium pile wool carpet. Since that is in the minority of homes most buyers would be better off with a Dyson. The Dyson was superior over the Oreck on MY carpets. Also based on my personal experience with the XL21 (top of the line) and my DC07. The Oreck was returned. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 04/30/07 at 11:07pm HARDSELL wrote:
Hello HARDSELL: Actually, the ONLY vacuum I used that has not performed on my Mohawk wool medium pile carpets is the dyson DC07 pink. Ironically the most expensive vacuum too at $399. The HOOVER WT Supreme ($150) performs very well, the ORECK XL ($149 plus $29 shipping) performs very well, the HOOVER Z ($99) performs very well, a 20 year old Eureka ($80 new) upright performs very well, a 10 year old RICCAR upright ($150 demo) performs very well, a $50 HOOVER Tempo upright performs very well and I can go on...but I'd rather hear the ways in which you consider the dyson DC07 superior to the Oreck XL21 on your carpets and floors. Ignore the use of attachments and address just the floor and carpet performance of each vacuum. Tell me the floor surfaces you have with the amount of rugs and carpets vice floors, rug thicknesses, and area rugs and throw rugs. And how often you vacuum. For example, the Oreck XL goes from floor to carpet cleaning, from area rugs to throw rugs without having to turn the brush on/off (called MicroSweep Cleaning System). With the dyson DC07, you constantly have to bend over and turn the control knob on/off manually for the brushbar to disengage and engage. Hard for old men like you and I. ;) I prefer the Oreck XL over the dyson DC07 in this regard. No hassle. Quick and easy. Less time and energy. Apparently you don't mind bending up and down and wasting time and energy. Care to elaborate? Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by No Loss of Suction on 05/01/07 at 1:48am HARDSELL wrote:
HARDSELL: I've used the ORECK XL for several days now and I can say with absolute and unequivocal certainty that you are as wrong (or dishonest) as you can be. Quite in contradiction to your criticism of ORECK it has performed superbly on my medium pile looped wool Mohawk carpets, our area rugs, ceramic tile floors and numerous throw rugs. Both cleaning and grooming the rugs and restoring them to their new look and feel. My ORECK XL cost $149, it is the bottom of the line model, and no giveaways. I also paid the $29 shipping and $16 for 8 additional bags. As I mentioned, my dear Wife and I are so impressed with its performance she ordered one for her Mother for a birthday gift. If an ORECK can clean and groom my wool Mohawk medium pile carpets, and the dyson DC07 pink cannot, in comparison I recommend the ORECK over dyson for rug and floor cleaning without reservation. As I mentioned, I plan to loan the Oreck to a good and dear friend who has been a DC07 Animal dyson user for the last 2 years and quite satisfied until she encountered a recent dyson glitch/problem. As I mentioned, she is an engineer. Aerospace. I look forward to getting her reactions too. And I will share those with you unless she wants to do so herself. :) Carmine D.[/quote] What method did you use to determine how much dirt the Oreck has removed? After all it would be dishonest to make a statement of unequivocal certainty unless there is proof of the performance. Your friend must have a filthy home if her vacuum clogged, regardless of the brand. [/quote] Here to help. An aerospace engineer would probably appreciate seeing the two filtering systems side by side – Oreck’s advanced system vs. Dyson’s antiquated system. As the photos clearly show Dyson’s multi-cyclone filtration does not stand a chance against Orecks revolutionary filtration – a bag. Do bags really clog and kill suction as James Dyson claims? Oreck All bags clog. (non OEM bag below) here (http://www.unifit.co.uk/default.cfm?viewprod&id=9520), Oreck OEM here. (http://oreck.com/vacuum-cleaner-bags-and-belts/odor-fighting-hypoallergenic-bags.cfm) Price w/ ship: $4.75 per bag SKU: CCPK8OF http://farm1.static.flickr.com/199/479502621_b5a3e2987d_o.jpg Dyson (DC18 Slim - below & DC15 the Ball) Post motor filter needs washed ever 3-6 mos. on average. No additional bags, filters or belts to purchase. http://farm1.static.flickr.com/219/479443627_263222592d_o.jpg |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 05/01/07 at 8:02am Hello Loss of Suction: That's not even a genuine Oreck paper bag. It's a "bojack." And a cheap bojack. Might as well use a sandwich bag. Of course it will clog. Cheap paper. BUT the bag appears to be a lot larger in capacity and hold more dirt than the dyson dirt bin. I plan to let the Oreck bag fill half way up before AE tests. Seems fair to prove loss of suction in a clogged bag, especially an Oreck bag. One of the best and biggest on the market. With almost 50 years of sales, it's logical Oreck would make an excellent performing bag for it's vacuum. Usually lasts over a month in household daily cleaning. No daily dumping. Just because you have a new technology doesn't mean its the best for all the industry's applications. (Newsflash: That's a novel idea!) For the Oreck upright vacuums and their primary consumers, bagless would be a nightmare and a major setback by over 50 years. $149 plus $29 for the Oreck vice $400 plus for the dyson? Lot's of bags make up the difference in price. No expensive pre-post motor filters to worry about keeping clean in the Oreck like the dyson. 8 pounds for Oreck vice 16-25 pounds for the dyson. No brushbar to turn on and off in the Oreck vice the dyson when you go from surface to surface. I read there were over 70 million seniors in the USA and most of them are women. The number is growing all the time. Ummh? Will the real "lightweight" champion vacuum please stand up. What's that? Dyson didn't make the weight category? A forfeit match. Too heavy, top heavy and bulky and can't stand up? Too complicated. Too expensive. Counted out by a technical knock out. Dyson died from its own inertia. The new (and still the lightweight champion of the vacuum world): Oreck--Simply Amazing! ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 05/01/07 at 12:06pm No Loss of Suction wrote:
HARDSELL: I've used the ORECK XL for several days now and I can say with absolute and unequivocal certainty that you are as wrong (or dishonest) as you can be. Quite in contradiction to your criticism of ORECK it has performed superbly on my medium pile looped wool Mohawk carpets, our area rugs, ceramic tile floors and numerous throw rugs. Both cleaning and grooming the rugs and restoring them to their new look and feel. My ORECK XL cost $149, it is the bottom of the line model, and no giveaways. I also paid the $29 shipping and $16 for 8 additional bags. As I mentioned, my dear Wife and I are so impressed with its performance she ordered one for her Mother for a birthday gift. If an ORECK can clean and groom my wool Mohawk medium pile carpets, and the dyson DC07 pink cannot, in comparison I recommend the ORECK over dyson for rug and floor cleaning without reservation. As I mentioned, I plan to loan the Oreck to a good and dear friend who has been a DC07 Animal dyson user for the last 2 years and quite satisfied until she encountered a recent dyson glitch/problem. As I mentioned, she is an engineer. Aerospace. I look forward to getting her reactions too. And I will share those with you unless she wants to do so herself. :) Carmine D.[/quote] What method did you use to determine how much dirt the Oreck has removed? After all it would be dishonest to make a statement of unequivocal certainty unless there is proof of the performance. Your friend must have a filthy home if her vacuum clogged, regardless of the brand. [/quote] Here to help. An aerospace engineer would probably appreciate seeing the two filtering systems side by side – Oreck’s advanced system vs. Dyson’s antiquated system. As the photos clearly show Dyson’s multi-cyclone filtration does not stand a chance against Orecks revolutionary filtration – a bag. Do bags really clog and kill suction as James Dyson claims? Oreck http://farm1.static.flickr.com/199/479502621_b5a3e2987d_o.jpg Dyson http://farm1.static.flickr.com/219/479443627_263222592d_o.jpg [/quote] You guy's have stooped to a lower level,you go to great lenghts to make it look like dysons bagless cyclonic technology is supeior,to other brands,bagless or bagged.The problem with the oreck bag is that it's not even a oreck bag,it's a coupling that looks like it's been glued to a paper shopping bag.No self sealing,no printing on the bag. You guy's have no credability,just like the clowns you work for.[FOR NOW]. regards O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 05/01/07 at 2:09pm old-timer wrote:
Jimmy P/OT: The cardboard collar is glued on upside down. ;D Rookies. You think Oreck may have a little heartburn with this bogus depiction of an Oreck bag. I know what dyson would do if a bogus product had its name across it. Call 15 hotshot lawyers from New York in 3 piece suits with 3 names. ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by No Loss of Suction on 05/01/07 at 5:20pm Any Indie, Expert or Pro want to check my math. - After purchasing an 8lb. Oreck, replacement bags cost (after shipping) $4.75 per bag. Since the room is littered with poor sports that did not appreciate or enjoy my Dyson filtration vs. Oreck filtration post - so I went back and updated this comparison. Thanks. GO HERE (http://www.whatsthebest-vacuum.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1160238515/230#230) |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 05/01/07 at 5:58pm Oreck bags,typeC.C. come in a package of 8,by envirocare 99.5% dust retention. The only difference is the seal on the coupling,The genuine oreck bag self closes,the enviro bag has a flap thats glued,to the coupling. They come 50 packages of 8 in a carton.[our cost is 5.25.per package.] O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 05/01/07 at 6:58pm Jimmy P/OT I was able to get 8 Genuines to a package for $16.95 including the shipping from Tennessee (with both new Oreck purchases). That's a year's supply by my estimation. Plus 2 bags "freebies" with the vacuum and the spare belt AND of course the scent tab. ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by No Loss of Suction on 05/01/07 at 8:03pm old-timer wrote:
So Old Timer says to buy knock-offs. My point was- what about Orecks online bag prices - good deal or bad deal? Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Carmines says - purchase a new Oreck to get a good deal on Oreck bags. - Not really practical, now is it? Dyson claims bags clog and kills suction. - Bissell's web site strongly recommends changing bags when they get 2/3 full or motor damage occurs (do to bag clogging and loss of suction - no or little airflow). - But your saying replacing bags once a month is about right. Do Oreck's bags have some sort of secret sauce technology that allows it to fill, not get clogged and not loose any suction? Having a lightweight vac is good (not powerful just lightweight). - But slaving Oreck owners to these expensive bags is good too? No Loss of Suction. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 05/01/07 at 9:41pm No Loss of Suction wrote:
No Loss of Suction: When you are in business, you give customers options. Some prefer the Genuines. Some prefer a good quality replacement paper bag made to fit. Like Envirocare which makes bags to fit alot of makes and models. And are sold primarily through indy's. The bag you pictured and called an Oreck bag was neither. It's a bojack. An indy wouldn't sell it. You find them in Dollar Stores. A months' worth of daily vacuuming would probably put the Oreck CC bag at about 1/2 full which is the "full-line" recommended on the Oreck bag. This is an appropriate time/place for a bag replacement. And consistent with the BISSELL advice. For the Oreck bag, this equates to over 600 cubic inches of capacity before changing. I'm not a math whiz, but my best estimate is that this is a gallon capacity. Larger than the half-gallon bin on the DC18 and full-sized dyson upright dirt bins. If you (anyone) wants to do the math conversion, please go right ahead. I'll watch, look and listen. If you really want to know more about Oreck bags, and not just recite dyson propaganda and jibberish, go to the Oreck Web site and read for yourself. You might even learn something more than just what you hear from dyson. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 05/01/07 at 9:45pm No Loss of Suction wrote:
Please tell me this is not the best and only dyson sales feature (propaganda and jibberish) that you can offer to sell a dyson over an Oreck? If not, dyson and the DC18 dyson-lite are in deep do--do. BTW: I copied this directly from the Oreck Web site you re-posted along with the bojack Oreck bag picture: "Standard Filtration Vacuum Bags 8 Standard Filtration, single-wall vacuum bags. Price: $16.95 Shipping: $2.00 SKU: CCPK8" I suspect Oreck waived the shipping of $2.00 on my bag purchases because I bought the vacuums and paid $29 for shipping. Do the number of bags and the price look familiar to information I posted? I hope so. To save you the futility of posting misinformation about the Oreck belts and their costs, I've included that information too below: "Oreck XL Upright Replacement Belts Pack of three replacement belts. These belts fit all Oreck XL® Upright models. Price: $9.99 Shipping: $2.00 SKU: 0300604" A spare belt comes conveniently stored in the Oreck XL. 2 belts should last me at least one year of daily use. Like I said I'm not a math whiz. But's let's do some cost calculations together based on the information above from the Oreck Web site. For talking purposes, it will cost me about $30 a year for Genuine Oreck bags and belts. Based on my Oreck purchase price of $149 and $29 shipping the total cost to me is $178. Assuming I can buy the DC18 Slim for $419 (based on the $50 mail-in rebate), the cost difference bewteen the Oreck XL and dyson DC18 is $241. That's 8 years worth of Oreck bags and belts. I know the Oreck will last 8 years because the vacuum industry says based on experience that the useful life of the XL is AT LEAST 18 years for normal household use. Assuming "zero" expenses for dyson in 8 years. Big assumption considering the filters deteriorate with washing every 3-5 months (if performed by the user) and need to be replaced. Using your points of discussion, Oreck wins again: The lightweight vacuum champion: Oreck--Simply Amazing! Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 05/02/07 at 9:43am Hi, Put this in your crack pipe and smoke it,The Oreck bag, kirby bag,hoover type A,B, bags,royal type A,B. electrolux Type U bags,eureka/sanitaire,F@G,bags,bissle style1-7 bags,panasonic/riccar/simplicity/upright bags.And many more are top loading bags.Do you know what that means?.Your favorite upright works on an antiquated system that was incorporated by air-way,electrolux,compact,[these are tank/canister machines]. Hers a little tip for you [vacuums work on air movement ], So whens Dyson coming out with a machine thats shuts off when it's time to change the bag,or empty the Filthy dirt container?. O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by RAT on 05/02/07 at 10:15am Modern vacuum cleaner bags made with 3M filtration media are an impressive invention. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by M00seUK on 05/04/07 at 2:56pm Insightful article on the news feed today, an interview with someone who works on the Dyson helpline. http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/features/article2511952.ece |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 05/04/07 at 3:58pm "We had a lady phone up with a blocked machine. We went through the usual checks but couldn’t find that fault, so we brought it in for our engineers to investigate. On inspection, we found about £200 inside it – her husband had been hiding £20 notes under the sofa and she’d be sucking them up! We simply returned the machine mended, with a small brown envelope attached..." This begs the question: Why didn't at least one of the british pound notes get sucked through wands and the hose into the dirt bin? Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by M00seUK on 05/04/07 at 4:57pm Because, in my experience £20 notes have a larger surface area and tend to be thicker then US dollar paper currency. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 05/04/07 at 6:40pm I don't know what dyson this is but............... it appears the big mighty dyson with all its air watts is no match for a little bitty piece of paper money. Then the YouTube dyson steel ball test is meaningless? Dyson can pick up more steel balls than other vacuums but not paper balls? I can understand a clogged hose/wand due to a sock, nylon, cardboard because these can't tear and shred and break into pieces. But paper money with at most a 14 month useful life? Pocket and wallet sized balled up paper? None got into the bin. No shreds, pieces, corners, nothing? :o Maybe I missed the story's sarcasm? Unless there are some facts and cicumstances that are incomplete and/or not correct. ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by cprohman on 05/06/07 at 8:36am What you're missing is the story's humor. You're apparently so focused on trying to find something negative about Dyson in every bit of news to see the humor in the world around you. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 05/06/07 at 9:02am Hey Carl: In other words, I got "punked." ;) Actually, my good friend, you missed my humor! Funny that a vacuum can pick up huge steel balls and not little itty bitty paper ones? ;) Now that's something to laugh about! Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 05/06/07 at 11:57am Our killer central vacuum system will suck up a quarter through 2'' tubing 5 stories. So i quess this makes it clean better than,my G.E.sv1a,broom.. :D O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by No Loss of Suction on 05/16/07 at 4:49pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Carmine, Now who should we believe really - Camine or this UK story? Any rational human can except the UK story as sincere. Here is a picture of - as you say “itty bitty paper”... Carmine, quit hassling those who post Dyson articles. Your not the gate keeper to this web forum. - Do you own and operate these servers, pay for the bandwidth, own the domain, etc? Let the Dyson people talk, share, link or whatever without your interference. http://farm1.static.flickr.com/211/489329033_98093e4f11_o.jpg |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 05/16/07 at 5:52pm No Loss of Suction: You're as funny as the pictures on the money. ;) The Queen doesn't look like that anymore. And the notes in your picture are 50 pounds, not 20 pounds as the article states. And the total number was 10 not 34. Isn't there a difference in size between the two UK note amounts? ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 05/16/07 at 6:43pm Carmine, Now who should we believe really - Camine or this UK story? Any rational human can except the UK story as sincere Let the Dyson people talk, share, link or whatever without your interference. Hi No big loss, How come no dyson usa dealers post here anymore ?.Are they fed up with dyson UK, Dyson USA,Dyson Canada,or just dyson in general.Or has Jimmy put a gag order on them from posting the truth. regards O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by M00seUK on 05/17/07 at 6:50am Carmine_Difazio wrote:
http://www.milesfaster.co.uk/information/pound-note.jpg Slightly bigger, but not much in it really. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 05/17/07 at 7:46am Thanks M00seUK. Most currencies, save the US, have different bill sizes depending on the denomination to avoid confusion/mix up. Helps the sight impaired to be independent. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by RAT on 05/18/07 at 5:13pm Consumer Reports has posted a free short video review of the new Dyson DC18. http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/resources/streaming/DysonVac/DysonVac.html Or go to main site and click on video. http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/index.htm |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by No Loss of Suction on 05/18/07 at 8:05pm RAT wrote:
Thanks RAT for the link. I have used the Slim at my home and it turns much easier than the DC15. My neighbor loves his Slim (and their housekeeper too). He called to tell me how blown away he was with it. No Loss |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 05/18/07 at 9:47pm Interesting that the Consumer Reports' judge used the HOOVER Tempo to compare to the dyson DC18 Slim. He made the same price comparison as me: dyson DC18 about 6X more expensive than the "very good HOOVER 'lightweight' upright vacuum." (CR's words not mine) ;) Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Hello Mike W: It's a dyson-lite. Compare to a 16 pound HOOVER TEMPO for $60 (which doesn't call itself a lightweight). That's 8 (Tempos) for the price of 1 (dyson-lite). Carmine D. [/quote] After I viewed the CR video of the DC18 Slim, I recall my post to Carl some time back, which did not elicit a response. Here it is again. Care to answer, Carl? Carmine_Difazio wrote:
This gets to the heart of a longstanding criticism that ALL INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS have with dyson vacuums since 2002: The exorbitant prices--which have trended up. Obviously, fueling the criticism even more. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by No Loss of Suction on 05/19/07 at 5:36pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Hello Mike W: It's a dyson-lite. Compare to a 16 pound HOOVER TEMPO for $60 (which doesn't call itself a lightweight). That's 8 (Tempos) for the price of 1 (dyson-lite). Carmine D. [/quote] After I viewed the CR video of the DC18 Slim, I recall my post to Carl some time back, which did not elicit a response. Here it is again. Care to answer, Carl? Carmine_Difazio wrote:
This gets to the heart of a longstanding criticism that ALL INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS have with dyson vacuums since 2002: The exorbitant prices--which have trended up. Obviously, fueling the criticism even more. Carmine D.[/quote] You just interviewed yourself. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 05/19/07 at 5:43pm No Loss of Suction: You always make me laugh with your posts. The bojack Oreck bags with the upside down collars (real good one); the comment that you have to buy a new Oreck vacuum to get the genuine Oreck bags for $2 each; (I bet Dave loved that one too); the UK funny money with pictures of Queen Elizabeth when she was just a baby. You used the wrong currency note and the wrong number of notes (with the caveat: Who are you going to believe--very dramatic); and the sublime commentary on my criticism of the exorbitant dyson prices (which CR confirmed). Interviewing myself ;D. Oh, and I almost forgot the best one you've come up with so far: The DC18 is so much fun to use for vacuuming that users will vacuum more often and spend more time vacuuming (that's a classic). I have to admit, for a rookie, you got a good sense of humor. ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Trilobite on 05/20/07 at 11:54am The £200 in the dyson could be correct: Depending on the age of the £20 notes, new ones will be stiffer, less likely to tear, and present more of an obstruction than old crumpled ones. The cleaner used might have been a cylinder. (I've seen a Dyson DC05 hose clogged with pine needles). Conversely, I've seen a DC04 upright's soleplate hose clogged with a cellophane cigarette wrapper. The safety valve once again operated. When a blockage occurs, the safety suction valves open, allowing air to bypass the blockage, as I'm sure everyone is well aware. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 05/20/07 at 1:10pm Hello Trilobite: I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said. I came to the conclusion that the facts and circumstances of the story may have been mistated and/or incomplete (lacking details whether it was from hose use and/or in the upright mode) and I made mention of my opinion in one of my posts. I still believe that to be the case (some missing details) and more so now after your post. Thanks. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by cprohman on 05/21/07 at 6:54pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Since you ask, I don't have any particular opinion on this. The $469 price when adjusted for inflation and/or the devaluation of the US Dollar is not much different from the $399 on the original DC07. From my brief examination of the DC18 in a Best Buy, I think it is a very nice vacuum. It seemed easy to use, and handled very well. It felt much lighter in use than the actual weight. It also seemed to be well made, and I suspect it will be a durable vacuum. The only real negative about it is the very narrow wand and tiny combination tool, which I would think would limit its usefulness for above-the-floor work. As far as the cleaning performance, or whether the brushroll is appropriately agressive without being excessively agressive, I have no information or comments. I'll leave that to others to comment on. I note that in another thread, you indicated that you are going to buy one. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if your wife or daughter actually likes it. I personally haven't felt that any of the later Dysons fit any need that I had, but the DC15 I would consider buying. The price wouldn't scare me, but only the limited usefulness with tools. If I were a vacuum store, this is probably a model I would consider carrying, but only if there was a potential for profit between cost and the discounts. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by RAT on 05/21/07 at 10:58pm I think the DC18 offers a fairly good compromise of features. It's the first Dyson upright that can maneuver under furniture fairly well. Most consumers who have the disposable income to buy a $500 vacuum are likely in the 40+ age range, and most of them are more concerned with ease of use. While CR hasn't released a score for carpet cleaning, the video review seemed to be positive. I'm not sure why CR makes such a flippant statement about the value of the DC18 versus the Hoover Tempo, based solely on initial cost. CR does the consumer a disservice when it fails to take into account of the estimated cost of ownership for a 4 or 5 year period and differences in features. CR does not seem to place any value on quality/quantity of cleaning attachments. CR also fails to reward Dyson for being the easiest bagless vacuum to maintain. If you have to have a filthy bagless vacuum, you want one that is relatively easy to empty and maintain. The $469 price tag for the Dyson DC18, seems to be in line with the $350 Riccar Supralite, $400 Oreck XL, and the $750 Oreck XL21-700, particularly given that an additional purchase of a canister is needed for cleaning with tools for these models (perhaps a canister is included on the Orecks?). While the Hoover is certainly a great value, I'm not sure that Hoover helps its bottom line by selling a $60 vacuum that cleans as well as their $300 vacuums. The Dyson-lite could end up being Dyson's highest rated vacuum the next time CR releases ratings. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 05/22/07 at 7:51am RAT wrote:
I wholeheartedly agree. I think it is the best dyson vacuum produced and sold to date. Despite the smallish dirt bin. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 05/23/07 at 9:36am I would say that brush roll,type the angle of the brush on the brush itself,the firmness or lack of it can and does make most machines look bad or perform like a champ,personally i dont think wooden or metal dowels matter,both warp after a while,even the plastic ones go out of round[bearing type is important,].Brush speed is also important.With all the different types of carpeting today,it's very hard for the vacuum mfgs to find the right combination for everyone.It seems like uprights use the following as a base line, when cfm,airmovement is very high the weaker the bristles, on machines that dont move as much air the stiffer the bristles,although there are some that try the high air movement,tuff brush approach. It's really tough to get a handle on the set up. the best is to test drive on your rugs and carpet before buying..... O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by cprohman on 05/23/07 at 12:46pm That raises an interesting question. How many vacuum makers offer a selection of brushrolls, with the independent vacuum shop helping to select, and then installing one appropriate for the customer's carpet? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 05/23/07 at 3:54pm Hi Carl,dont quote me but i think that kirby offers 2 different brush options,the standard one is very stiff,I believe the other is the berber rug option. Not to many dealers get involved with it as far as i know. I think hoover had the nylon and natural bristle at one time.The white ones used in the uprights were the softer of the 2. It seems like the dc18 brush roll is a good compromise,and should sweep up the rug and lift the pile over the07,14,. O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 07/07/07 at 12:54pm Seems a vacuum cleaner professional, who rates in the top 25 eBay reviewers, found the DC18 to be top heavy too. Here's his quote verbatim: "The New Dyson Slim that has just been launched spring 2007, is Dysons light weight vacuum. Probably due to all the complaints abot the heavy weight. It has great suction, it is only 12 pound, Thats good for Dyson, Not as light as Oreck. A major problem with the slim is they are top heavy and when standing, can easily topple over. I treid it and went to move some chairs and it fell over twice. You dont want a hard plastic 12 pound vacuum crushing down on your ankles or furniture. Its still brand new and I am sure Dyson will rectify the problem. Please Dyson people dont call me about this again, as I said to you this is just a consumer guide, with good and bad points. In the US we are allowed to do this." I saw the same happen to my daughter's neighbor's DC18 while it was standing in the garage. Down to the ground like a felled tree. Fortunately, not on the neighbor or the pet or the car, or anything else. Let's go dyson engineers. Get it right for once and for all. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JimB on 07/07/07 at 1:22pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Can't find this review... do you mind providing a link. You aren't quoting Mark the Oreck dealer "reviewing" the competion again are you? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 07/07/07 at 4:42pm Hello Jim: The narrative in the DC18 is an excerpt from the link I posted by Mark on another thread that you responded to already. Did you respond to my post with the link without reading the review? ;) BTW, after several emails to NPD, and several weeks passed, NPD did not respond to my inquiries asking about the sales percentages credited to it by USA Today. I think they have staffers that read the WTBV Forum too. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Bruce on 07/07/07 at 7:33pm Hello Carmine, I recently purchased a DC-18 and have had it for several months now. So far I don't find it to be top heavy and it has never once toppled over as you describe. In fact, it appears to be very stable even on thick carpeting. I'm curious to know how a DC-18 could possibly fall over on a smooth, flat concrete garage floor? Is it possible the operater didn't correctly lock the wheels in its upright position? I've tried and tried to make mine fall over but it simply remains standing like a 200 year old cedar! I guess I must be blessed; or is this simply a continuation of your anti-Dyson false propaganda BS? Anyone frequenting this forum can easily get the answer right on the first try! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JimB on 07/07/07 at 10:11pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Carmine as I made clear in the other thread I did not know you had taken the same dyson attack to two threads at the same time, until after I had posted the query here. You obviously had read that before posting this question aimed at ridiculing and misleading anyone who had not also read that thread. I also will include the link to NPD below so that readers can make up their mind whether they should trust their marketshare numbers and analysis or your gut feel and occasional hearsay. http://www.npd.com/corpServlet?nextpage=corp_welcome.html |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 07/07/07 at 10:14pm Bruce wrote:
Hello Bruce: That's a dyson fawner name from the past: I'm glad you are enjoying your DC18. The salesman at the local SEARS tells me the DC18 on display falls over at least once a day. I presume all the SEARS customers are deliberately doing something to make it fall over. BTW, the SEARS salesman does not like DC18. It's tipsy problem is just one of his reasons. ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JimB on 07/07/07 at 10:45pm Carmine, Many retail sales people are able to tell the customer exactly what they want to hear and in case you lack self realization Carmine=anti-dyson is probably the easiest read that sears sales guy has had all year. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 07/07/07 at 10:57pm JimB wrote:
Really? A 16 year vacuum cleaner sales professional for SEARS. Who gives me his honest evaluations of all vacuums including the DC18 on many occasions when I asked? Where did you get your mind reading and fortune telling degrees? ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JimB on 07/07/07 at 11:06pm He knows what you want to hear. Are the only "honest" opinions those that exactly mirror yours. Are the factual errors in your expert oreck dealers dyson review lack of knowledge or dishonesty? Oh and by the way have a good night and enjoy having the last word... |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 07/07/07 at 11:15pm No, not the last word. The last laugh. ;D Your posts always make me laugh. First, impugning a vacuum professional before even reading his commentary. Second, imputing self-serving motives to a 16 year SEARS vacuum cleaner retailer, you don't know, who agrees with Mark and I about the tipsy design of the DC18. Then, saying "we" both agree meaning you and I. That's funny. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 07/08/07 at 12:00pm I love my dyson dc18, i traded in my dc17 and dc14,and must say it really picks up better than it's other siblings,after the first cleaning i emptied the bin 5 times,yuck. After reading reviews like this can anyone but wonder how anyone can believe this B.S. dyson propaganda. My way of thinking would be as follows,if you really think that the dyson is as good as you said it was .WHERE THE HELL DID THE 5 BIN FULLS OF DIRT CAME FROM. regards O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by justasking2 on 07/08/07 at 12:13pm Have not posted here for a while but interesting things have stayed the same, Only Carmine can take a post riddled with factual false statements against dyson by a guy selling only orecks on the same site and turn it into some great insight by a neutral observer. All the while discounting a dealer who admits to selling Dyson but only as a small portion of his business and also discounting marketshare info from the leading expert in the field that supplied it through a journalist. Holy hypocrite, Batman. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by old-timer on 07/08/07 at 12:26pm This person is a industry professional just voicing his opinion on dyson,as he states we are allowed to do this in the u.s.a.,his feedback is perfect,dont you dysoners wish your feedback was this good. I love my dyson dc18 :D :D :D O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 07/08/07 at 2:05pm justasking2 wrote:
Like I say to the dyson fawners and you too Justasking2: Where you stand depends on where you sit. ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JimB on 07/08/07 at 7:10pm So are the false statements in this "neutral" review lack of knowledge or purposefully misleading? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 07/08/07 at 9:54pm JimB wrote:
JimB: Unlike you, I find nothing false and purposely misleading in Mark's vacuum reviews of dyson. Just as I don't impute any motives to a 16 year SEARS vacuum industry professional giving his assessments to me on the brands that he sells. Quite the contrary, I agree with Mark and SEARS and these opinions and assessments on the particular issue: the DC18's tipsy tendencies. If you read my Forum postings you see I posted the same findings long long ago. Long before quoting Mark and SEARS. I said before I used the DC18, that to me it looked top heavy and prone to fall. I said however I had to use it before saying for sure. After I did, I was convinced dyson dropped the 'ball' again and the design is flawed. Too high a center of gravity giving it a propensity to tip over. And conversely, by logical deduction, I must disagree with you. Does that make me a liar? If it does, then Mark and SEARS are both liars too. Maybe its a mass anti-dyson conspiracy waged by the vacuum industry [indy's, big box retailers, retired vacuum professionals with over 50 years in the business] and across the country against dyson, JimB and the dyson fawners? ;) But recall, I also said the DC18 is probably the best made and sold dyson to date. Is that a false and purposely misleading opinion too? You and the dyson fans didn't think/say so when I posted it. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by JimB on 07/10/07 at 11:36pm Just one quote from your linked review as I have already pointed out... "Dyson now offer a 5 yr warranty. You have to pay to ship it to the Head office($40) If they feel its damaged due to misuse, You will have to pay for the repair. parts and return shipping fee. ($40)". It really isn't that complicated the above is not an opinion it is a statement of fact. It is both misleading in parts and straight out untrue in another and is either the result of lack of knowledge by someone pretending to be more of an expert on the product that they are or a lie meant to purposely mislead in an effort to falsely steer business to the machines he does sell on the site. It is not an opinion. Your denying this is either lack of knowledge by someone pretending to be more of an expert on the product that they are or a lie meant to purposely mislead. It is not the only statement of fact that is not true in the review. I believe you have had such disagreements in the past people can disagree on opinions, however a statement of fact like above is either true or untrue. The fact is dyson has over 600 carry-in local independent service facilities, are out actively recruiting more and are also partnered with both Sears and Best Buy for local service. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 07/11/07 at 7:13am Hello JimB: Seems like we are off the NPD market share topic now and on Mark's customer guide on vacuums. Interesting. Have you talked to Mark about it? 600 dyson repair shops? And growing. Funny, that's a number I heard bantered about for over 2 years now. Sure that's not a dyson goal for store numbers? But be that as it may......... On a somewhat related matter, since you mentioned SEARS and BEST BUY as dyson partners: These are two of dyson's largest big box retailers, if not the largest in many areas of the country. Did you know that BOTH these store chains have reported terrible quarterly earnings and year to date sales in 2007? Both stores have REVISED their yearly earnings and profits going forward and even into 2008 downward [way way down]. SEARS announced yesterday and its stock price fell almost $18 a share. Despite announcing a huge stock buyback plan, which it thought would nullify the impact. It was wrong. In your expert opinion, what impact do you think these and other dyson retailers' extremely poor 2007 sales' results and forecasts for the future have on dyson sales in the USA? :'( Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by HARDSELL on 07/23/07 at 10:45pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
I think a better question is: What impact did Dyson hav eon Sears low sales? Likely none. Of all the departments in Sears vacuums and appliances seem to be missing fewer different sku's. Too bad earnings do not report wher losses and gains are. Wal Mart had good earnings. Most news sources report this is due to increased gas prices as well as groceries and other goods. It is not unusual for low end products such as those carried by WM to be more in demand than the higher end products in other stores during these economic conditions. I also would like to know how much profit/loss vacuums added to the bottom line at WM. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 07/24/07 at 6:30am Hello HARDSELL: When you have the answers to your questions, please share with the Forum readers. A stroll through the vacuum aisles of a big Wall store and monitoring the weekly vacuum sales help: I've visited several recently in my area. Dysons are not there. HOOVER WT2, not there. Why? I can't tell you the last time I saw SEARS/Wal*Mart vacuums advertised for sale in the papers. It's been months. Why? Can't afford to spend advertising dollars on vacuums? The payoff is too small for the cost? Vacuums are on the shelves: Less expensive brand name vacuums: HOOVER Mach 3 [$100] and 5 [$160]. GE canister [$150]. BISSELL [$70], Eureka Smart Vac [$120] now Eureka Capture too [$130]. Many of these vacuums are in short supply on the shelves. Why? They sell and sell quickly without costly advertising dollars which can be used on merchandise like apparel, school supplies and electronics. That's what big Wall and other retailers want on their shelves. Fast moving and selling products: Vacuums and otherwise that don't require advertising budgets to sell. Big Wall actually attributed higher gas prices to falling off sales earlier in the year. And is addressing this with its TV ad message: If you are paying more for gas you don't want to pay more for everything else. And to contradict you again, food sales at same stores for big Wall stores are down from year to year. Still substantial [largest of all food stores in sales] but down from last year and the year before. Why? Too many big Wall stores have food and produce sales nowadays. Hence, big Wall is reducing expansion of new stores this year and next AND it's reducing the stores' square footage. Concentrating on existing stores and sales. BTW, BEST BUY is following the same strategy by cutting back store openings and reducing size. If you read my post on the subject, big Wall is trying to make it easier for its customers to find all their needs and pay and leave in 20 minutes. Why? That's the time. And usually customers have 10 items to buy but in the time can only manage to find 8. And then it's 5 minutes or more in the check out to pay and exit. Big Wall wants to make sure they have all 10 items and are out in 20 minutes including a no longer than 3-5 minute check out and pay time. So far this year the strategy appears to be working well for Wal*Mart. One thing for sure: You won't see a dyson DC18 slim for $469 in any of the over 4000 big Wall stores worldwide. Nada. Carmine D. |
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