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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #110 - 06/01/07 at 3:16pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 05/30/07 at 6:33pm:
Thank you No Loss:

Now listen carefully and I will explain very slowly so even you can understand......

While you are brushing up your basic math.....Carmine D.

I could divide the number of apples in my neighborhood grocery by the numer of astronauts in the space program, and get a number, but would the result be useful for anything? I think not, unless the store closed and the astronauts took up residence there with apples as their only food source.
 
What percentage of Dyson's engineers are working on vacuums? What percentage of those worked on the DC21? What percentage of the worldwide sales are accounted for by HSN? Will HSN continue to sell at this pace, or was this a one-shot deal? Add that information, and perhaps you might get something useful. In the absence of it, I have no idea if $300,000 in sales in 4 days is good or bad, nor how it relates to the cost of developing the DC21.
 
I find it strange that keep knocking Dyson for employing engineers. Why and when did R&D and product development become a bad thing?
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Reply #111 - 06/01/07 at 6:01pm
 
Carl:
 
Really?  500 engineers?  By dyson's own admission.  With the primary product produced in 5 years a marginal performing upright vacuum cleaner.  Remember the contra rotating washer.  Sold 1900 units in 2004, not counting the returns.  That is 3.8 washers sold for every dyson engineer employed.  Knocking?  Not at all.  It's way too funny.  And very sad.  And also relevant for a business operation.  Why?  Read on my friend.
 
The number of engineers employed by a company compared to the products produced and number sold are very relevant business numbers and costs.  Why?  In large part, it determines the products' overhead which in turn affects the costs of production.  Higher costs of production mean higher product prices.  Maybe excessively high.   Wink
 
Contrast dyson's 500 engineers with GM which just recently hired 400 engineers to turn ALL its vehicles in its car divisions into more efficient fuel and "green" worthy cars.  Do you think the two company missions, products and employees are comparable?  And both companies warrant the same number of engineers for the tasks at hand (dyson and GM)?  Dyson even more in number?  Or is this like comparing apples (for dyson) with astronauts (for GM)?
 
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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #112 - 06/01/07 at 9:26pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 06/01/07 at 6:01pm:
Carl:

Really?  500 engineers?  By dyson's own admission.  With the primary product produced in 5 years a marginal performing upright vacuum cleaner.  Remember the contra rotating washer.  Sold 1900 units in 2004, not counting the returns.  That is 3.8 washers sold for every dyson engineer employed.  Knocking?  Not at all.  It's way too funny.  And very sad.  And also relevant for a business operation.  Why?  Read on my friend.

The number of engineers employed by a company compared to the products produced and number sold are very relevant business numbers and costs.  Why?  In large part, it determines the products' overhead which in turn affects the costs of production.  Higher costs of production mean higher product prices.  Maybe excessively high.   Wink

Contrast dyson's 500 engineers with GM which just recently hired 400 engineers to turn ALL its vehicles in its car divisions into more efficient fuel and "green" worthy cars.  Do you think the two company missions, products and employees are comparable?  And both companies warrant the same number of engineers for the tasks at hand (dyson and GM)?  Dyson even more in number?  Or is this like comparing apples (for dyson) with astronauts (for GM)?

Carmine D.

 
How many engineers did Hoover employ?  Must have been too many.  
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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #113 - 06/01/07 at 10:57pm
 
Quote from HARDSELL on 06/01/07 at 9:26pm:
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 06/01/07 at 6:01pm:
Carl:

Really?  500 engineers?  By dyson's own admission.  With the primary product produced in 5 years a marginal performing upright vacuum cleaner.  Remember the contra rotating washer.  Sold 1900 units in 2004, not counting the returns.  That is 3.8 washers sold for every dyson engineer employed.  Knocking?  Not at all.  It's way too funny.  And very sad.  And also relevant for a business operation.  Why?  Read on my friend.

The number of engineers employed by a company compared to the products produced and number sold are very relevant business numbers and costs.  Why?  In large part, it determines the products' overhead which in turn affects the costs of production.  Higher costs of production mean higher product prices.  Maybe excessively high.   Wink

Contrast dyson's 500 engineers with GM which just recently hired 400 engineers to turn ALL its vehicles in its car divisions into more efficient fuel and "green" worthy cars.  Do you think the two company missions, products and employees are comparable?  And both companies warrant the same number of engineers for the tasks at hand (dyson and GM)?  Dyson even more in number?  Or is this like comparing apples (for dyson) with astronauts (for GM)?

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How many engineers did Hoover employ?  Must have been too many.  

 
Hello HARDSELL:
 
Dyson boasts one third of its employees are engineers.  With 1500 employees, having 500 engineers is unbelievable.  It's too high a ratio, not to mention overly costly.  Dyson should pick the ONE best engineer for each of the countries its markets its vacuums, and fire the rest.  And it would still be overengineered for a vacuum maker.
 
Why does it takes 500 dyson engineers to make a dyson vacuum?    
 
BTW, one of the shortcomings of the dyson contra rotating washer:  It's high price.  Almost 2X as expensive as the best washers made and sold on the market.  Why?  Do you think the high price was a result of the huge demand for the dyson washing machine  (as Carl says)?   Wink
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Price is normally determined by assessing market demand. Once you know the price, you can then estimate cost and determine if an item will be profitable to make. ...The Airblade fits an entirely new niche, and since there really aren't any competing items in the market, it is quite possible that more market research is required before an appropriate price can be set.

 
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Reply #114 - 06/02/07 at 12:48am
 
Has anyone seen or reported to Dyson Lovers that  the ASA     ( Advertising Standards Authority) ruled that because the filter needed occasional cleaning to maintain suction, the claim " No clogging. No loss of suction" was misleading.
  Dyson is to clean up their advertising.  
  The ASA received 36 complaints from people who also said the "No Clogging, No loss of suction was misleading.
  All this reported on May 30, 2007 in London by Reuters.
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Reply #115 - 06/02/07 at 9:12am
 
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Reply #116 - 06/02/07 at 12:27pm
 
Looks like HSN has the DC21 Stowaway back online for sale for $499 with free shipping.  With the caveat 'almost sold out" and only 9 left.   I suspect HSN buys in lots of 12.
 
And BTW, HSN doesn't have the customary dyson claim to shame (I mean sham, NO fame):  The canister that "doesn't lose suction."  Grin
 
But the claim to shame (I mean fame) is still on the dyson USA Web Site for the DC21.  Apparently "fake James" didn't get the the ASA ruling yet.  Wink
 
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Reply #117 - 06/02/07 at 1:20pm
 
Wow, fun with spinning numbers.  Let me try.  Forbes says the Dyson group has made James Dyson's worth 1 billion $.  Divide that by 500 engineers and that is $2 million profit per engineer.  Maybe they should hire more research and develpment.  Cutting research and development as suggested despite the fact they can afford it seems awfully shortsighted.  Dyson has made a point of commiting a large percentage of profits to R and D.  I would bet there are thousands of former Hoover employees wishing some past corporate boards would have been making the same commitement to research and development.
 
Carmine,
   They have taken and are maintaining the #1 position in Marketshare by dollars by doing everything you say is wrong.  They still have the #1 position in Best Buy 2 years after you said they would be out of the store.  James Dyson revels in what he calls "wrong thinking", at what point to you start to realize the years worth of daily doom and gloom on his products and the guy may have been right and perhaps you may have been wrong?  If you want a long term succesful business where better to put large portions of profit other than R and D?
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Reply #118 - 06/02/07 at 1:34pm
 
Hello My Friend JimB:
 
So was Regina NUMBER ONE on Main Street and Wall Street right up until the time it went belly up and its CEO and CFO went to jail for fraud and cooking the books.  I believe Forbes reported on Regina too several times in the 1980's including it's swan (farewell) song.   Regina was a publicly traded company so its Officers hoodwinked the SEC and its outside auditors FOR SEVERAL YEARS with false numbers and filings.  Unlike dyson, which is privately owned, and doesn't have to reveal any financial data (even to Forbes magazine which probably merely is reporting what dyson tells it).  
 
It never ceases to amaze me how gullible and trustworthy most people (even those purporting to be business smart) are to deceiving numbers, bad data, misinformation, and outlandish product claims (Global Crossing, Enron, Tyco, MCI, Arthur Andersen etc, etc, etc.).  
 
Like the dyson claim to shame (I mean fame): "The only vacuum that never loses suction. "  You care to comment on that false claim (and wrong thinking)?  Or did you miss the ASA news report and ruling agianst dyson?
 
Jimmy the Pro/OT has been saying the dyson claim of NEVER LOSES SUCTION is false and "wrong thinking."  For the past 5 years and still.  ASA finally listened after 36 dyson "fooled" vacuum buyers complained after being sucked in by the dyson hype and hawking.  That's more than all the complaints HOOVER/CPSC received for the WT switches over a half dozen years of WT sales.  And it cost HOOVER 3/4 million dollars in fines.   Go figure.  Wink
 
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Re: Dyson DC21
Reply #119 - 06/03/07 at 3:12pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 06/01/07 at 6:01pm:
Contrast dyson's 500 engineers with GM which just recently hired 400 engineers to turn ALL its vehicles in its car divisions into more efficient fuel and "green" worthy cars. Do you think the two company missions, products and employees are comparable? And both companies warrant the same number of engineers for the tasks at hand (dyson and GM)? Dyson even more in number? Or is this like comparing apples (for dyson) with astronauts (for GM)?

This is an interesting comparison because I note that GM has been losing market share for years, and has now dropped from the #1 position worldwide. My personal opinion is that the main cause of this steady erosion has been their engineering department.
 
Your math continues to be non-sensical, taking a little factoid here, one there, with no real relevence to anything. As you point out, Dyson is continually developing products other than vacuums, including washers, hand dryers, etc. Many of the 500 engineers are no doubt not involved with vacuums. Second, as I pointed out, how does the total number of engineers employed (including ones working on other products), divided by the number of units of one model, sold by one outlet, during one short period of time, tell you anything? The answer is, it doesn't. Maybe the DC21 will succeed, maybe it won't. Either way it won't be because of how few or how many sold on HSN, nor will it be related to how many engineers Dyson has working on the Airblade, or other new, product.
 
The bottom line when judging the performance of Dyson as a company is "are they profitable"? I would have to guess that the answer is clearly "yes", so your strange mathematical manipulations seem rather spurious.
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