Sucker for Vacs:
 
I brought forward the DC16 thread for you to read.  It's actually a quick read.  And will give you insight into the pros and cons of the DC16 hand held.  MSRP $149:  You can buy the DC16 from BBBY and/or LNT with 20 percent off.  Still not worth the money.  Even at $29, it's not worth the money.  Why?  Run time varies from 3-5 minutes.  Too short for any realistic household, auto, work-shop, garage cleaning.  And as you noted the B&D pivot vacuum at $55 is much better.  The pivot vac has a self-cleaning filter, a feature generally found on full sized bagless vacuums.  A nice feature.  Avoids the need to get up close and personal with the dirty filter and the need to perform regular maintenance on the filter to keep it performing at peak levels.
 
Carmine D.

sorry... that's dirt devil Kone... they spell Kone with a K and I didn't mean to capitalize dirt devil because they aren't worthy of it!

Quote from No Loss of Suction on 05/14/07 at 9:29pm:

 
I posted this epinions review of the DC16 on the Forum in the past and now is a good time to do so again.  It is from a dyson fan of the DC07, who bought the DC16 expecting great results but it failed to deliver.  He returned it to BEST BUY only to learn most of the BEST BUY store's sales of the DC16 ended up returned.  He nails the DC16 shortcomings right on the head.  
 
As my good friend Carl Prohman notes in his Forum post today:
 
Quote from cprohman on 05/14/07 at 11:52am:

 
http://www.epinions.com/content_278485110404
 
This is the reviewer's P.S. for the DC16 review and sums up the only strength of the DC16 very well: "If it were $29, I might keep it to use as part of a Star Wars Halloween costume or to scare away door-to-door salespeople."
 
That's about as little support for the DC16 handheld that you are going to get.  And considering it's $149 with a 5-6 minute run time, that's about all it deserves.  No where in any of the DC16 product literature and specifications (even the Web site), does dyson say what the actual run time for the DC16 is.  Why?
 
I suggest that dyson gift the DC16 away with the purchase of any of its vacuums.  At least dyson can turn another failed vacuum product into a successful marketing tool (no pun intended).
 
Carmine D.
 
 
 

Old-timer,
 
I appreciate you being civil and not calling me “a crack pipe smoker” or “not living in the real world” as I have been called here on this forum just for pointing out the differences between Dyson vs. Bags and/or telling how my experience is/was while using a Dyson.
 
Dyson is indeed hated by the jealous here on this forum.  Dyson has been called a “thief”, accused of bulling and strong arming small time inventors.  Dyson has been called “lucky”, “stuffy shirt”, “price gouger”, “should be removed from his position (if his company was public)”, Dyson is continually accused of ripping off old elements of others inventions (all the while it is he who has been radically ripped – one example is - all clear bins aka bagless have been copied/ripped off  from his clear bin).  His DC21, DC18, DC16 etc. are butchered and attacked here on this forum (disguised as reviews) all the while many daily posters here do not speak up.  A Dyson fan cannot even link a simple Dyson article without the Dyson vacuum being attacked - and surprise surprise – the Dyson fans do not come back or rarely come back and post. – a shame.  Dyson is never or very rarely complimented for any of his products, his good deeds, his many innovations (which are copied by many and go unnoticed here on this forum).  If Dyson creates and commits to design awards and pays award money – “it’s not enough’.  If a Dyson user does not clean his/her pre-motor filter and then damage occours – it’s a bad Dyson design.  If the hourly Best Buy staff does not educate a buyer enough – it’s Dyson’s fault. I can go on and on.  Indeed Dyson is hated here - by many of the regulars. – There is even a post dedicated for and to facilitate the ripping and/or finding fault and/or to make personal attacks on James Dyson/his products and/or misguiding newbies pointing out the “infinite downsides” to Dyson ownership.  Even Dyson’s 5 yr. guarantee is not enough. – Amazing!  Regarding the many here who just sit on their hands while Dyson is lied about and maligned.  Shame on them too.
 
Re:
For the last time WHY DONT YOU ASK THE PROFESSIONAL VACUUM SHOP OWNERS,AND INDUSTRY EXPERTS WHAT THEY THINK OF DYSON.  
You might not like what your going to hear.  
Its not hate for dyson himself [IT'S THE TRUTH]
 
OT.  Why not go to the Toyota dealership and ask them what they think of Mercedes.  Dysons break down for sure – like all vacs on planet earth. – No problem for those who own a 5 yr. warrantee.  Question, when a newbie comes to your shop and asks if bags clog and loose suction what do you say?  And what testing/science do you point them to?
 
You know if I was a newbie reading these posts one would think James Dyson drools helplessly and could never “get it right” - but instead Dyson should only be turning to and asking the vacuum dealers/repair men how to invent the future.  MIT, Yale, Stanford, Fortune mag, Business Week, Wall Street Journal, BBC, The History Channel, etc., etc. all have it wrong.  The universities that hand James Dyson honorary doctorates all have it wrong too. - Instead they should drive to their local vac dealer/repair man to learn the secrets to radically innovation and how to make the big money too.
 
 
I know how to think and think outside of the box.  And so there’s no need for me to go to self annointed “Indie, Expert or Pro” to ask anything.  If I want to learn I discover for myself.
 
FYI.  My DC15 with the air leak/”large debris channel” closed up (by me) can suck and lift my carpet off the pad and has NEVER clogged and NEVER looses suction NEVER! And has NEVER needed any repair of any sort.  But I do spend about 5 minutes every 5-6 months to clean the pre-motor filter though.  
 
 
 
No Loss of Suction.

Hello Carl and company:
 
I would like to clarify your generalization that the some of the anti-dyson sentiment comes from people with personal agendas.  
 
When criticism of and expressing dyson products' shortcomings (like a high price and short run time on the DC16) are justified and accurate, then it necessary and important to say so, especially on a public vacuum Forum.  And especially by industry professionals whose judgments on such matters are held to a higher standard than all others.
 
If you read and follow the dyson products' criticisms and shortcomings on this Forum (from the exorbitant product prices, to the underwhelming rug performance, to the deterioration of air watts on each subsequent new dyson model to just outright false/misleading written dyson claims), the truth is clear and distinct from the hype. And the industry professionals are always the FIRST to make the distinction here on the Forum.  And the hawking and hyping of the dyson products, even before they are launched, come from the few here who have/are profiting from the high dyson mark-up (and brag about it on the Forum).
 
Carmine D.