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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #150 - 04/09/07 at 8:30pm
 
JimB:
 
I have to give you credit for one attribute that I enjoy about reading your posts especially on dyson related matters.  They make me laugh and laugh.  Sometimes I reread them just for that purpose.  At my age, and any age for that matter, every day one laughs is a good day.  Thank you.  Wink
 
Continue to post on the Forum with your opinions about your favorite brand bagless vacuum.  So I can continue to be amused in the process.  I really really look forward to your posts about dyson, your main topic of posting on the Forum.  
 
Be well and take good care of your favorite vacuum brand's reputation and sales.  Dyson needs people like you to sell it.  And people who think like you to buy it.  
 
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Reply #151 - 04/10/07 at 4:58am
 
Thanks Carmine for you insight into the US vacuum cleaner side of things!  
 
You probably can see I do love Dyson Cleaners because they are different and from my experience in the UK work better!  Other vacuums here in the UK have lost the way!  If bag vacuums in the UK are still the way to go and have a place in the market (not saying they don't) why don't they like Dyson be differnet and show that in their vacuums!  Instead they are knocking out cheap bagless vacuums that don't work properly!
 
In the UK it's performance as well as features which is what people look for!  Price also plays a part for some people!  Years ago I always thought motor wattage the bigger the better the cleaner would be!  Now I look at what the motor wattage is but I also look at the performance of the vacuum suction by testing the machine, using the tools.  It's all round performance!  
 
Yes the DC07 is the most powerful Dyson Upright they have produced here in the UK.  In fact it was said by the public too powerful! Probably at the time the most powerful upright in the UK!  If we look at it's motor wattage it was 1400 watts most other uprights at the time (in the UK) to come close to it where using 1600 watts plus (even 2000 watts)!  The DC07 had to be modified - soleplate to adjust the powerful cleaning head!  I have both versions of the soleplate of the original DC07 when it first came out in the UK.
 
Thats why I look at performance as well not just motor or air watts!
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #152 - 04/10/07 at 8:17am
 
Quote from JD on 04/10/07 at 4:58am:
Thanks Carmine for you insight into the US vacuum cleaner side of things!  


 
You're welcome.  
 
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Reply #153 - 04/11/07 at 11:27am
 
Dyson and Hoover (UK) played a 'cat and mouse game'. One would launch a cleaner, claiming the most powerful suction, to be outdone a few months later by the competitor model:
 
Dyson DC01 - Hoover Triple Vortex - Dyson DC04 - Hoover Vortex Power - Dyson DC07 - Hoover Hurricane.
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #154 - 04/11/07 at 8:15pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/05/07 at 8:50pm:
What do you think about the $469 price tag on the dyson-lite (I mean Slim) vacuum? Same as the full size dyson price with a lot less umph in both rug and tool modes. Do you think this is troubling to shoppers and/or worthy of a pass to have the latest and greatest dyson-lite?

The price didnt concern me. I cant comment on the "umph" in rug cleaning mode, but the diameter of the wand, and the size of the dusting tools certainly made it seem like it probably does not produce a lot of airwatts. Of course, a vacuum like the Oreck produces very few airwatts, too, and I dont believe it offers any tools at all, so in that respect the Dyson, even with few airwatts, still is OK.
 
As far as the weight, it isnt nearly as light as the true "lightweight" vacuums, but in this case the ball and balance work well to make the vacuum very maneuverable. I think that that in real use the vacuum would handle as if it were lighter than in really is. By contrast, poor ergonomics, such as the narrow metal handle on my Air-way canister make that vacuum seem much heavier than it really is. Really the perceived weight is more important that the actual weight.  
 
Old-timer, I note that you made the comment that the Dyson plastic is brittle. I have seen a lot of brittle plastic, such as the plastic on the Hoover Floormates, but the quality and resiliancy of Dyson plastic has always impressed me. Have you had a lot of problem with Dyson plastic breaking? The only part I had break was the clip that held the pre-motor filter on.
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #155 - 04/12/07 at 8:21am
 
Quote from cprohman on 04/11/07 at 8:15pm:
Of course, a vacuum like the Oreck produces very few airwatts, too, and I dont believe it offers any tools at all, so in that respect the Dyson, even with few airwatts, still is OK.

....I note that you made the comment that the Dyson plastic is brittle. I have seen a lot of brittle plastic, such as the plastic on the Hoover Floormates, but the quality and resiliancy of Dyson plastic has always impressed me. Have you had a lot of problem with Dyson plastic breaking? The only part I had break was the clip that held the pre-motor filter on.

 
Thanks CPro.  ORECK is a true lightweight upright vacuum.  In fact the vacuum brand that invented the moniker for vacuums.  Up to then it was junior, baby and apartment.  Oreck is about 8 pounds.  It comes with a 5 pound compact canister.  The canister is a a decent performer.  Interestingly add the weights of both and they are still less than the 16 pound dyson DC18 dyson-lite.
 
Dyson uses the same ABS plastic used in all the existing vaccums and floorcare products on the market today.  Nothing special as once thought and opined by dyson lovers.  For example the HOOVER TEMPO bagged upright (MSRP of $50) rated number 8 by Consumer Reports uses the same ABS plastic as the $500 plus dyson.  I see alot of display dysons with broken finger tabs, cracked dirt bins, broken add on pieces, scratches and nicks.  It is a criticism of the brand by buyers and users.  And diminishes the look of a high cost niche make and model.
 
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Reply #156 - 04/12/07 at 4:21pm
 
Based on my preview of the DC18 Slim (dyson lite), Oreck has nothing to be concerned about.  But dyson does.  If its pinning its future hopes on the sales of the DC18 dyson-lite and DC21 Stowaway canister, dyson is in deep do do in the USA.
 
I saw nothing about the DC18 Slim that would make me change my original impressions.  Including it being top heavy for its weight and profile.  It is unstable in the upright (off) position just as I thought.  It's as tall as the full size dyson uprights and has a nozzle head too small for the vacuum's high center of gravity.  Either the middle/top of the vacuum has to get smaller or the nozzle head has to get larger.  Most preferred from my perspective:  Both.  The middle/top should be reduced in size and power head made wider and longer.  The current configuration on the DC18 is only slightly better than the DC15.
 
Can't use the the full size dyson vacuum tools, they won't fit the DC18 dyson-lite.  No turbo tool, let alone on board!  The wands are narrow as is the dirt path hose.  The dirt path hose is a bad design and will fail over time.  Too flimsy to handle the bulk and weight of the top of the vacuum.  Brush roll consists of short stiff sparse hairs.  Not full tufts (like the Oreck) for grooming as well as cleaning.  
 
Still weighty and bulky on the wrists to use.  And the smallish rug/floor nozzle flips and flops as it runs across the rug and floor during use.  Certainly not a $469 performer.  If the price stays at $469, dyson will be pulling it off the market too.  IMHO  Lower the price to $399 and pray.
 
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #157 - 04/13/07 at 6:51am
 
I have to say the Dyson DC18 Slim is not top heavy for it weight and profile.  I have used one in person serveraltimes and have to say it is stable in the upright position and when using the tools!   It is light to lift and light to use!  
 
The main cleaning head is smaller so you can fit it into tighter smaller places.  My Mother has commented how she can get the DC18 Slim into places her DC04 could not go due to the cleaning head being wider.  In fact the DC18 head is about the same size as the original DC01!  One of the reason the slim was designed for.  Having larger cleaning heads means tools have to be used more to get into tight and small places!  The DC18 helps reduce this.  Dyson may introduce a bigger version of the DC18 to replace the DC15 who knows!!
 
As for the full size Dyson tools go.  On the UK version of the DC18 Slim (I can't see the US/Canada one being any different!) the hose and wand diameter is the same as the DC07, DC14 and other models like the DC04 so tools are inter changable!  I have tried a normal dusting brush off my DC07 and it fit straight onto the DC18 wand!  It's only the DC15 that has a smaller diameter hose and wand!  Why do you need a turbo tool onboard.   More tools means more weight!
 
The weight of the DC18 is not at all put on the dirt path hose!  In fact it is more protected unlike the DC15.
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #158 - 04/13/07 at 7:40am
 
Quote from JD on 04/13/07 at 6:51am:
 

As for the full size Dyson tools go.  On the UK version of the DC18 Slim (I can't see the US/Canada one being any different!) the hose and wand diameter is the same as the DC07, DC14 and other models like the DC04 so tools are inter changable!  

The weight of the DC18 is not at all put on the dirt path hose!  In fact it is more protected unlike the DC15.

 
 
Hello JD:
 
On the USA DC18 dyson lite, the DC07 and 14 tools do not fit.  The DC18 wand is too narrow.  But the standard industry size tools like Eureka do fit.  
 
The dirt path hose on the DC18 dyson lite is center tucked into the power head on the bottom and the vacuum housing on the top.  Shorter length too than the DC15.  The hose points where it attaches to the PN and vacuum are stress points.  The shorter hose length restricts hose movement under stress, unlike the open longer hose that is side mounted on the DC15 for the dirt path.  The DC18 dph is smaller in width than the DC15 dph too.  
 
With up and down handle movement and side to side back and forth motions with swiveling and wheeling, the angles and positioning of the vacuum subjects the dp hose to stress (at the 2 points of attachment).  Stress results in hose stretching, straining and pulling.  This results in hose wear and tear after mininal use.  Poor design function.
 
Some may compare this set up design to the HOOVER FM.  Half correct.  THe HOOVER FM goes up and down only.  The dyson DC18 lite goes up and down and side to side, swiveling and wheeling.  Twice if not more of the stress and twice and more of the wear and tear.  And the HOOVER FM is more stable.  Not tipsy topsy and flippity floppy like the dyson DC18 lite.  
 
Also note how how HOT the motor compartment gets after short time.  The motor appears to run hotter than normal uprights.  Not good if this is the norm for the model.
 
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #159 - 04/13/07 at 7:53am
 
Hello Carmine
 
Thanks for the insight.
 
I do find it hard to believe that the Hose/wand is different diameter on the US to the UK!  They fit fine tools from the DC04, DC07 etc on the Dyson Slim!
 
 
Dyson would have carried out stress testing on all parts of the DC18 Slim.  From what I've seen the hose is attached before the pivoting point! So it all moves together!
 
I've not noticed the motor compartment get any hotter than normal!
 
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