Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/12/07 at 9:51pm:

 
I for one and a few other strong indy's that i know are quite happy that the latest dyson canister is in the 500.00 range.When consumers are shopping at that price point,they start to shop and have to see what else is out there at this price range.There are much better machines out there in this price range,4 that come to mind off the top of my head are the aerus/electrolux classic,bosch formula,miele classic series,riccar rc series.And even in upright pricing,dysons up against some real world class machines.The long green trainride for dyson's allmost over...........
 
  O.T.

Quote from JimB on 04/14/07 at 11:15am:

 
 
Hey JimB:
 
Skirting the real issue?  After all the hullabaloo that dyson and its fans made over air-watts, they have suddenly done a reversal.   Dyson has more to worry about than srubbing the air-watts specs off its US Web site.
 
Quote from old-timer on 04/14/07 at 9:20am:

 
 
OT is exactly right on this issue which you and dyson avoid.  Dyson is pricing itself right out of the US vacuum market.  Sad, with 500 engineers, dyson can't seem to launch a worthy US vacuum at the right price for the US market.
 
Carmine D.
 

Quote from HARDSELL on 04/14/07 at 9:38pm:

 
Hello HS:
 
Sounds like you too are skirting the real issue of OT's post which says dyson is pricing itself out of the US vacuum market.    One particular self professed dyson expert always maintained that the DC07 ($399) is a far superior dyson to the DC14 ($429), DC15 ($499), DC17 ($549) and DC18 ($469).  Going strictly by air-watts, I would have to agree with this conclusion.  And I understand now why he consistently said it.
 
Carmine D.
 
Quote from old-timer on 04/14/07 at 9:20am:

 
 
These price points ($500) and this sales venue (indy's) are not HOOVER's and haven't been for decades.   Hoover excelled and still does at the $300 and below price points at the big box retailers.    
 
They are not dyson's forte either: The price point is dyson's ($500) but not the sales venue (indy's).  Dyson is a hybrid marketeer.  It tried to carve out a luxury vacuum market (in price only) in the big box retailers.  The marketing strategy is failing for a number of reasons: Rushing poor products to market and overpricing them.  It worked for a very short time while the price point was $399 on the DC07 and $429 on the DC14.  After the DC11 and DC15, its been a downward spiral for dyson in the USA vacuum market.  As OT says, dyson and the big box retailers got greedy and desperate (increase the warranty from 2 to 5 years).  And reduced product performance (read cut costs) and increased the prices.  
 
Now as OT says, dyson is competing with the biggest, the best and most reliable vacuum brands among the indy's: Miele, Bosch, Aerus, RICCAR/Simplicity, SEBO.  Not HOOVER and Dirt Devil at the big box retailers.  Dyson can't compete with these brands at the indy's.  And certainly can't by using the big box retailers as its venue with a price point of $500.  
 
That's the issue.  Duck and dodge.  Bob and weave.  But that's dyson's predicament.  Caught on the horns of a dilemma by its own making.
 
Carmine D.

[quote author=Carmine_Difazio link=1175484184/50#54 date=1176602121]Quote from HARDSELL on 04/14/07 at 9:38pm:

 
Carmine,  I am not skirting any issue.  You made mention of 500 engineers and I simply responded to that comment.  I have never said that the new Dysons are not over priced.  IMO, they are over priced.  I fear that they are following hoover by introducing too many new models with little or no improvement over the DC07.  
One manufacturer simply can not be the 'one for all'.  On the other hand Dyson does seem to offer more than a company like Oreck that simply sells by excellent marketing and not performance.  

Quote from HARDSELL on 04/15/07 at 8:41am:

 
HS:
 
If you and the rest of the dyson lovers are not skirting, ducking, dodging, bobbing, and weaving the dyson shortfalls in products and marketing, then you are missing them by miles.
 
Like your dyson comparison to HOOVER, your dyson comparison to ORECK is outright WRONG on all levels.  
 
Why?  ORECK offers an icon brand name with almost a 50 year history of USA made vacuums (including floor care products and air purifiers);  
 
500 ORECK Clean Home Centers nationwide for new ORECK sales, parts and service (on all vacuums including your favorite bagless brands);  
 
A price point of $300;  
 
A target market that grows every year by leaps and bounds and will continue to do so long after you and I are gone.
 
An experienced network of authorized ORECK sales and service dealers through only top notch "indy" stores.  
 
An icon 8 pound lightweight vacuum that meets and exceeds all performance standards of the USA vacuum industry like Consumer Reports, the Carpet and Rug Institute of America, and the American Society of Testing Materials.  
 
A bottom of the line XL model with a proven and tested record for 18 years of household use.  
 
And the best recognized face in the vacuum industry: David Oreck.
 
Quote from old-timer on 04/15/07 at 11:25am:

 
 
Carmine D.