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Reply #40 - 04/12/07 at 6:03pm
 
It is even harder for the little guy to get justice in the courts if they are wrong. I don't know much about that case, except that both you and he reported that he lost, and that the case wasn't worth appealing.
 
Your memory regarding the Ionic Breeze is at least partially correct. My father does own one, and he is, or was, happy with it, but I certainly never bought it, nor have I ever had anything positive to say about it. I did buy an Ionic Air Cleaner once, about 25 years ago, from a company called "DAK", later famous for their popularizing the home bread machine. That tiny cleaner must have provided some cleaning, because what it did do was to cause dirt particles in the vacinity of the machine to stick to the wall, leaving a black spot on the wall. After using it awhile, it became apparent it didn't do anything useful, however, so I ceased using it. It was about 8 inches tall, and here's a picture of it:
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As for the airwatts, the 220 watt number for the DC21 is very low. Most canisters are at least 375 airwatts, and some are over 400. I don't think a product with only 220 airwatts will be competitive.
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Reply #41 - 04/12/07 at 9:51pm
 
Quote from cprohman on 04/12/07 at 5:27pm:
Perhaps in time we will discover that cyclonic airflow is a less energy-efficient way of cleaning air than with bags; it certainly is true that it's a noisier way, and noise is a form of energy loss.

 
Quote from cprohman on 04/12/07 at 6:03pm:

As for the airwatts, the 220 watt number for the DC21 is very low. Most canisters are at least 375 airwatts, and some are over 400. I don't think a product with only 220 airwatts will be competitive.

 
I think the first is a given (IMHO) and the second will soon be (maybe even in shorter time than the DC11 cann).  As the saying goes:  Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.
 
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Reply #42 - 04/13/07 at 1:16pm
 
I don't think its a given at all. For example, the DC11 I believe had 330 Airwats, a number comparable to many other canisters, and significantly more than most bagged canisters would produce with a full bag. The DC11 clearly shows that a 2-stage cyclonic system can be designed that doesn't use up excessive power. It is interesting to watch as the airwatts continue to drop in each sucessive generation, rather than improving. Part of it, I presume, is that the fan motor size is reduced to allow for a power head. That would account for the loss of perhaps 50 Airwatts, so a drop to 280 Airwatts wouldn't have surprised me. The drop all the way to 220 Airwatts is a surprise, though. What did Dyson gain in exchange for those airwatts? Quietness? Size? Weight? Noise?
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Reply #43 - 04/13/07 at 1:31pm
 
FYI - DC11 had 220 airwatts.
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Reply #44 - 04/13/07 at 1:46pm
 
It did? I must have written the number down wrong. Sorry about that. Is my number of 270 correct for the DC07? Again, that's a respectable number for an upright, if correct.
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Reply #45 - 04/13/07 at 2:46pm
 
DC07 has 300 Air Watts, the DC14 270.  But you would never know now.  Why?  Dyson scrubbed the USA Web site and technical specs on these models to eliminate the A-W info.  Slick!
 
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Reply #46 - 04/13/07 at 2:59pm
 
Quote from mmc on 04/13/07 at 1:31pm:
FYI - DC11 had 220 airwatts.

 
The DC11 is no longer on the US Web site.  No longer in the US.  On the UK site, dyson says the DC11 has 275 Air-watts.  Not 220.  Not that I'm saying you are lying Matt, but before I believe the 220 number, I would have to see an authoritative source even a dyson one if you have it.
 
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Reply #47 - 04/13/07 at 3:04pm
 
Not releasing airwatts numbers in not a new idea. Last time I visited the Oreck website, I couldn't find any mention of airwatts, either. Instead Oreck introduced non-standard measurements, such as moves air at over 100 mph. I tried to compute an estimate for airwatts for the Oreck from the information they did give, and came up with a remarkably low number. Hoover is another company that tends to release non-valuable, non-comparable performance numbers, such as their infamous cleaning performance per amp number.  
 
In fact very few vacuum makers seem to want to release airwatts. Interestingly, by contrast, central vacuum makers usually do seem to release it.
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Reply #48 - 04/13/07 at 3:47pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/13/07 at 2:59pm:
Quote from mmc on 04/13/07 at 1:31pm:
FYI - DC11 had 220 airwatts.


The DC11 is no longer on the US Web site.  No longer in the US.  On the UK site, dyson says the DC11 has 275 Air-watts.  Not 220.  Not that I'm saying you are lying Matt, but before I believe the 220 number, I would have to see an authoritative source even a dyson one if you have it.

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A machine from the UK will always have more Airwatts/power than a comparable machine here.  It has to do with power supply and how machines are made for about twice as much electricity that is flowing into it.
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Reply #49 - 04/13/07 at 7:58pm
 
UK dyson air-watts is a "moot" point.  Let's stick to comparing US dyson models' air watts.  From 300 on the DC07 (April 2002) to 200 on the DC18 dyson lite (Feb 2007) and 220 on the DC21 (feb 2007).  Coversion of air-watts back and forth from UK to US is irrelevant in this comparison.  Who cares what the UK air watts for US dyson model purchases and usage.  The point that's being made is that dyson has consistently REDUCED motor performance as measured by air watts with each subsequent US dyson model AND in the process raised the US retail prices.  Simple point to comprehend.
 
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