buyQuote from HARDSELL on 06/19/07 at 8:39pm:

 
Hello HARDSELL and dyson fawners near and far:
 
JimB made the claim that dyson is doing "quite well" and we keep hearing that dyson is NUMBER ONE in sales revenue by dollars.  Show the Forum the proof for the claim not just the "words"  saying it's so.  Or is this a numbers game claim to shame.  Another example of the "Never clogs, never loses suction" dyson claim to shame?
 
I provided the percentage of sales revenue by dollars for dyson in 2003 (4.5%) and 2004 (20.7%).  The only years made available to date that I have seen for public distribution.  I know that 2005 was a better year than 2004 for appliance sales (of which vacuums comprise 10 percent of the total) than 2006 and 2007.  It was up about 2.3 percent in 2005.  Why was 2005 better than 2006/7?  Both years 2006 and 2007 have seen a fall off in new appliance sales due to the housing market decline.  
 
Warning to readers:  SIDEBAR coming read at your own time, risk and money:  BEST BUY reported very poor first quarter 2007 earnings and sales.  Analysts were predicting 50 cents a share.  Instead it was 39 cents.  Down from 47 cents a year earlier.  The stock price plunged today to $45 in after hours trading.  And the BB stock price is down sharply from its 52 week high.  Down 8.2 percent.  The same is true for BBBY and Linens-n-Things.  
 
But Wal*Mart by comparison is at $49 a share and is up 5.7 percent for the year.  And Wal*Mart pays a dividend of 88 cents a share for a yield of 1.8 percent.  BEST BUY pays 40 cents a share for a yield of .9 percent.  
 
One of the wild cards in the upset is California TV maker Vizio, which sells low priced TV's thru discounters like COSTCO and Wal*Mart stores.  A 32 inch Samsung costs $897 at Wal*Mart.  The same Vizio TV costs $597 at Wal*Mart.  Vizio has the fourth largest market share of TV's 30 inches wide or more and is growing rapidly.  BEST BUY which has focused on higher margin, more expensive TV's doesn't sell Vizio.  (Circuit City does.)  High gasoline prices and the weakening housing market has sent more buyers looking for deals on flat screen TV's.  They don't find them at BB.  Think the same is true for vacuums?
 
What do you think is the best buy?  (No pun intended!)  Somebody on this Forum, who shall remain nameless, actually predicted in early January 2007 that Wal*Mart stock would outperform all the other stocks in the Dow in 2007.  He really went out on a limb with that prediction.  But at the half way mark of the year, he is looking to be right on track!
 
My sense is that TTI, owning both Dirt Devil and HOOVER, will soon have combined sales revenue and unit sales volumes surpassing dyson easily.  If it doesn't already.  Do I have proof?  No, of course not.  Not yet.  It's still too soon to know.  It takes at least a year to collect and report intelligently on vacuum sales data.  And its very raw data with alot of caveats and restrictions.
 
But intuitively it makes sense.  Why?  40 percent of the vacuum market is in low end vacuum sales ($50-$99).  As of the end of 2004.  And Dirt Devil and HOOVER combined have the majority of that market share now.  The other 60 percent is in mid-range to high end ($100-$300 and over).  Again as of the end of 2004.  And HOOVER and Royal (Dirt Devil) combined "MAY" have the majority of that market share now too for vacuums up to $300.  Did I mention that TTI also owns VAX?  And the new i-vacuum bagless upright from Dirt Devil for $250 will be on the market soon.  With washable filters, and a 5 YEAR WARRANTY.  And it looks very similar to the VAX bagless models sold recently.  BUT LESS EXPENSIVE than the Vax models AND WITH A 5 YEAR WARRANTY NOT 2 YEAR WARRANTY like the earlier Vax models.  And the i-vacuum comes with a cordwinder and headlight too.  Do you know most vacuum users when asked say they prefer a cordwinder to the cord wrap method?  Why?  Quicker and saves time.  Very clever product development and marketing by Dirt Devil for the Vax bagless models?  As is the Spinnergy (Old HOOVER FUSION).
 
My point:  All things being the same (and we know they never are) TTI will be, if it isn't already, the market leader in vacuums regardless of how you compute, collect and report the data.  That is a result of the acquisition of HOOVER by TTI from Whirlpool.  Just as the acquisition of Maytag by Whirlpool makes it the market leader for household appliances.  
 
Carmine

Quote from Dyson INVENTS BIG on 06/20/07 at 12:01am:

 
Really?  I must have missed that link.  The AirBlade keeps coming up.  Mind reposting it please, JimB.  
 
BTW, mind explaining:  Dyson Invents Big?  Big "what?"  I missed that too.   ;)
 
Carmine D.

Quote from HARDSELL on 06/20/07 at 12:49pm:

 
Hello HARDSELL:
 
I'm not trying to prove anything and/or anyone wrong.  I just asked for the backup for the dyson claim, which I'm sure JimB has but posted the wrong USA Today link.    
 
I was at the local Wal*Mart store and I'm going back today.  I viewed the Samsung and Vizio TV's side by side (37 inch models: Samsung $1170 vice Vizio $790).  I was very impressed with the PQ of the Vizio for the difference in price.  I say the Vizio PQ was better than the Samsung.  
 
Same is true with the COSTCO store, which displays the Vizio TV's as soon as you walk into the store.  COSTCO is where I first saw the Vizio brand and price.   As I mentioned, COSTCO members have an average annual income of $72,000.  Vice Wal*Mart which is in the $40,s.  Sam's in the $50's.
 
Not being an electronics and TV buff like you with your expertise, I deferred to several market authorities:  Bank of America analyst David Stresser, research outfit Current Analysis, and electronics reporters Scott Patterson and Justin Lahart.  And I read the Consumer Reports March 2007 edition which in addition to rating vacuums rates TV's.  All of which give high praise to Vizio flat screen and liquid-crystal display TV's, which sources out of China.  CR rates Vizio 10 vice Samsung 8 for 40 inch and larger TV models.  Giving both similar ratings and scores.  The Samsung is $2300 vice $1300 for Vizio.  And Vizio gets a Good Value rating by CR saying  it has  "good HD picture quality" at a low price.  I also understand that "shelf share" of the Vizio has increased from April to May from 1.8 percent to 5.9 percent.  Which indicates big box electronics retailers are moving quickly to cull and shuffle inventories to replace with quick moving and selling merchandise.  Think the same is true for vacuums?  
 
Carmine D.

Quote from JimB on 06/20/07 at 2:55pm:

 
Hello JimB:
 
Here's the USA Today article verbatim with the link you provided as the source for the percentages by vacuum brand in your post (see below):
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By Bruce Horovitz, USA TODAY
 
Dyson is about to enter rare air.
Not satisfied with its wild success in turning the mundane vacuum cleaner into a high-tech, high-style, high-priced device, Dyson on Monday will announce plans to try to do the same in the USA with commercial hand dryers.
 
Next month, the upstart British company whose vacuums costing up to $599 quickly became top-sellers in the USA, will roll out the $1,400 Dyson Airblade hand dryer. They've been sold in Britain for about nine months and already are hot tickets there.
 
The device, which kicks on when folks place their hands in it, dries hands in about six seconds. It pushes unheated air at great force — roughly 400 mph — through a gap the width of an eyelash that runs the length of the dryer. A special filter sanitizes the air.
 
The device works much like the compressed-air dryer at a carwash. The water isn't evaporated by hot air, but rather is pushed away by compressed air moving at great speed. As a result, the Airblade uses roughly one-fourth the energy of conventional hand dryers.
 
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"We've taken a totally different approach," says James Dyson, the CEO and inventor whose face has become familiar thanks to appearing in ads for his vacuums. Airblade is his first non-vacuum product.
 
His goal: to own the business of drying hands in restaurants, hotels and businesses.
 
Hand dryers look to be a business in which Dyson could clean up. The USA has 19.5 million public washrooms. U.S. paper towel sales are $2 billion, while the hand dryer market is about $54 million. Dyson aims to steal share from makers of both.  
 
"I'd be nervous if I was in this market and saw Dyson entering," says consultant Martin Lindstrom. "There have never been emotions attached to this decision-making process before."
 
Will consumers actually care about hand dryers? "At the end of the day, Dyson's going to try to brand hair dryers," says David MacGregor, analyst at Longbow Research. "But if it's not extremely innovative, that will be difficult."
 
Ted Selame, president of BrandEquity International, a brand consultancy, says the product's biggest problem may be its name. "Airblade sounds like it could chop off your hand."
 
But Dyson says he intentionally picked an eyebrow-raising name. "This is serious technology, and we wanted an edgy name to get that across."
 
Similar devices have been used in Japan for years, and Mitsubishi began selling one in the USA about 18 months ago, says Chuck Applebee, product manager at Mitsubishi Electric & Electronics USA. "(Dyson has) made some pretty nice improvements, but conceptually it's a copy of ours," he says.  
 
Dyson bristles at Applebee's claims and says his dryers are a "totally different" technology.  
 
The Airblade has at least one big fan: Dana McClure, a Carl's Jr. franchisee who is testing the dryers at his Corona, Calif., location.
 
McClure was fed up with his conventional hand dryers breaking down, and he dislikes the cost and environmental trail of paper towels.
 
He had the two Dyson hand dryers installed a month ago and both have worked perfectly, he says.
 
Even customers are going gaga. They often drag friends into the restroom to try them, McClure says. "It's the first time I ever heard my guests talking so positively about our restrooms."
 
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Hello JimB:
 
Please direct the Forum readers to the paragraph and section in the above USA Today article and the link you provided for it with the percentages in your post:
 
Quote from JimB on 06/19/07 at 11:40am:

 
I've looked close.  Read.  Asked several times.  But I'm still not seeing the connection between the USA Today article on the dyson airblade and the vacuum cleaner sales percentages and USA Today link.  And can you explain what is meant by:
 
"Leading makers of upright vacuum cleaners for consumers in revenue."  I'm drawing a copmplete blank on what this means.
 
Or are you still just trying to "punk" me?    Duck and dodge, bob and weave.  
 
Carmine D.
 
 

Quote from M00seUK on 06/20/07 at 5:07pm:

 
M00seUK:
 
Thank you.  I see it too.  Now can you/anyone explain to me and the Forum what exactly is meant by the call out box title for the percentages:
 
"Leading makers of upright vacuum cleaners for consumers in revenue."  I'm drawing a complete @#$%& on what this means and measures.  
 
Carmine D.