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Reply #20 - 04/10/07 at 4:33am
 
What people fail to realise is not all Dyson Engineers are working on Vacuum Cleaners!!  They are constantly looking at new ways and new technology which does not always come to fruitation but something else completely different comes out of it!  
 
As we know Dyson has launched a washing machine in the past there, I'm sure some of the Engineers are working on a new version of it!  Some be be working on the Digital Motor developing that further!  Then there is the Hand dryer thats was launched last year!  
 
So all in all the Engineers are working on differnet projects not all to do with vacuum cleaners!  As you can see Dyson likes to do things different not follow the rest!  Why not!
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Reply #21 - 04/10/07 at 8:03am
 
Quote from JD on 04/10/07 at 4:33am:
What people fail to realise is not all Dyson Engineers are working on Vacuum Cleaners!!  They are constantly looking at new ways and new technology which does not always come to fruitation but something else completely different comes out of it!  

As we know Dyson has launched a washing machine in the past there, I'm sure some of the Engineers are working on a new version of it!  Some be be working on the Digital Motor developing that further!  Then there is the Hand dryer thats was launched last year!  

So all in all the Engineers are working on differnet projects not all to do with vacuum cleaners!  As you can see Dyson likes to do things different not follow the rest!  Why not!

 
Hello JD:
 
Dyson should pick a product and industry and concentrate all its resources on it and do it well.  Rather than scattering its resources, manpower, and R&D costs on multiple ideas and products that diminish resources that could otherwise be spent on dyson vacuums.  And in the process cost the consumers more with higher and higher vacuum prices.
 
Dyson has struck out on all the non-vacuum related products brought to market: i.e., Airblade and contrarotating washer.  And in the process dyson is slowly loosing its focus and dominance for its vacuum line in the UK.
 
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Reply #22 - 04/10/07 at 8:11am
 
Quote from old-timer on 04/09/07 at 5:35pm:
Hi Carmine,we both know why they only cater to the big dogs,the indy's wont support them for too long. They cant sell the smart indy's a bill of goods,with the box stores they sell them in tonage[at the best price].You know that there pricing structure is set so that only dyson is making money. And the dealers[indy's]get to put out the fires.

You can mark my words they will be gone and forgotten about in 3 years...........

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Agreed.  It was RAT who said many years ago on the Forum that dyson had to follow the Oreck model for longevity in the USA vacuum market.  In particular, open factory stores like Oreck to service and sell its products.  Why?  Like Oreck when it started out, the US vacuum industry has not warmed up to dyson vacuums.  Just the opposite.  Dyson has alienated most of the "indy's."
 
Oreck fought back and earned a niche in the US vacuum industry over the last 45 plus years.  In large part through its own network of stores, which just so happens to service and sell parts for 8 other vacuum brands for every 2 of its own.  And in the process, trades in and sells more new Orecks.
 
Dyson has lost 5 precious years in accomplishing that objective.  In large part because it scatters its resources in too many different directions.  And in large part because dyson does not know and did not understand the US vacuum market.  IMHO
 
Engineers usually are awful business leaders and managers.  James Dyson calls himself an "entrepeneur."
 
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Reply #23 - 04/10/07 at 9:27am
 
Hi Carmine,well said, just take a look at what happened to electrolux as we knew it they got swallowed up by a.b and eureka,all because the owners were not vacuum people but business people,bankers,lawyers,corporate raiders.Very few people made an awful lot of money,then bailed.Sticking their dealers in the process.Fortunatly they are getting back to basics,stopped the outsourcing,retooled the factory,and are making their own stuff again.
 
Their reputation in the vacuum market in north america was ripped to shreds.Can it be saved now or has this b.s. gone too far?
 
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Reply #24 - 04/10/07 at 9:30am
 
Hi Carmine
 
Why should Dyson stick to one product, other manufacturers don't why should Dyson! If you say that about Dyson then it should be referred to others too!  Other brands are in more than one market regardless of how successful they are in any particular market if it be vacuums, washer, dryers, fridges etc....
 
I wouldn't say he has scatter his resources at all!  Dyson is one of a few if only the one that has the amount of Engineers and the investiment in R & D that many others don't.  It has been commented in the press here in the UK many a times.  His company has one of the highest investment in R & D!  If I look at some of the products here in the UK R & D is non existant!  If they are spending alot on R & D then they must be doing it with their eyes closed!  
 
I think because Dyson is different and does things differently, the way they work etc... people don't like it!  It's about time we saw change, there is nothing wrong with it!
 
No Dyson is not loosing it dominance in the UK for vacuums.  If that where the case why is it the Dyson cleaners feature more in our electrical shops and are more likely to be demo by the customer here in the UK!  They are on stands that stand out.  
 
Customers that have used the brand and like it, will go back to the smae brand most of the time.   Yes not everyone here in the UK likes Dyson and I know a few people like that.  
 
Other brands are closing the plot probably market share to in the UK!  Their dispalys are always bland!  No other vacuum brand in the UK has come out with anything worth looking at in the last 10 years or more!  
 
 
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Reply #25 - 04/10/07 at 10:18am
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/10/07 at 8:11am:
Quote from old-timer on 04/09/07 at 5:35pm:
Hi Carmine,we both know why they only cater to the big dogs,the indy's wont support them for too long. They cant sell the smart indy's a bill of goods,with the box stores they sell them in tonage[at the best price].You know that there pricing structure is set so that only dyson is making money. And the dealers[indy's]get to put out the fires.

You can mark my words they will be gone and forgotten about in 3 years...........

  O.T.


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Agreed.  It was RAT who said many years ago on the Forum that dyson had to follow the Oreck model for longevity in the USA vacuum market.  In particular, open factory stores like Oreck to service and sell its products.  Why?  Like Oreck when it started out, the US vacuum industry has not warmed up to dyson vacuums.  Just the opposite.  Dyson has alienated most of the "indy's."

Oreck fought back and earned a niche in the US vacuum industry over the last 45 plus years.  In large part through its own network of stores, which just so happens to service and sell parts for 8 other vacuum brands for every 2 of its own.  And in the process, trades in and sells more new Orecks.

Dyson has lost 5 precious years in accomplishing that objective.  In large part because it scatters its resources in too many different directions.  And in large part because dyson does not know and did not understand the US vacuum market.  IMHO

Engineers usually are awful business leaders and managers.  James Dyson calls himself an "entrepeneur."

Carmine D.


 
I am thankful that Dyson has not followed Oreck.  If so we would only have an antiquated vacuum that is sold at exorbent prices with free gifts thrown in so the consumer can justify the purchase.  Dyson is about performance, not marketing.
 
Give Ole Dave credit,  he could sell Christmas trees on July 4th.  Of course they would be as useless as his vacuums.
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Reply #26 - 04/10/07 at 10:28am
 
Hello,would you get upset if i posted dysons wholesale prices on the forum?
 
If I were you i would not bet against it.
 
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Reply #27 - 04/10/07 at 12:46pm
 
Quote from HARDSELL on 11/15/06 at 8:04pm:

Hi Carmine:

I do agree with your views of Dyson steering into too many products.

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Hello OT:
 
Sooner or later the "dyson hater" critics come around to the vacuum experts' way of thinking.
 
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Reply #28 - 04/10/07 at 4:29pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/10/07 at 8:03am:


Hello JD:

Dyson should pick a product and industry and concentrate all its resources on it and do it well.  Rather than scattering its resources, manpower, and R&D costs on multiple ideas and products that diminish resources that could otherwise be spent on dyson vacuums.  And in the process cost the consumers more with higher and higher vacuum prices.

Dyson has struck out on all the non-vacuum related products brought to market: i.e., Airblade and contrarotating washer.  And in the process dyson is slowly loosing its focus and dominance for its vacuum line in the UK.

Carmine D.  

 
This is the mindset of the U.S from the last 20+ years.  The U.S. believes that a company should manufacture in one area-example electronics.  That would mean that GE should only make large appliances and move away from aerospace and medical, or stay in aerospace and leave large appliaces.  (On a personal note, they should work on the large appliance line.)  
 
But more than 20+ years ago, U.S. companies were in other areas and not just one.  GE had large appliances, floorcare, small kitchen appliances, personal care, electronics, etc.  The same w/Westinghouse.  At one time they were successful at it.  They could have continued w/the different lines if they worked at it, but they chose a different route.
 
In other countries, the companies will manufacture in different appliance areas.  Look at Mashusita, they market electronics, small kitchen, personal care, floorcare, etc.  They are very successful at it.  They also stick w/it.  They work at making a product better, instead of discontinuing it.  I believe that they do not look at "making the top dollar" as their criteria for keeping or discontinuing a product.  
 
General Electric made good vacuum cleaners, but they did not want to put more money into it and make better.  In GE's case, if they are not the brand near the top, they do not want to continue producting it.  They also want to make a high profit, IMHO.  
 
A company can manufacture in different areas if they are devoted to the product.  
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Reply #29 - 04/11/07 at 8:09am
 
Quote from Mike_W. on 04/10/07 at 4:29pm:
 

A company can manufacture in different areas if they are devoted to the product.  

 
Hello Mike W:
 
Yes, agree.  As opposed to the founder's and/or CEO's ego and concern over their legacy.  
 
BTW, as a long time shareholder in GE I sold all my shares in July 2006.  Why?  The stock price has languished over recent years.  Why?  IMHO and others who follow GE, due to the many unrelated units that dissipate "core" product design and development, run up costs, and take away from profitable sectors.  Read: Increased overhead costs from non-profitable ventures.  Jeff Immelt, the current CEO who succeeded the legendary Jack Welch, has gotten a pass so far (in the last 5 years).  (BTW Immelt received $30 MILLION in direct and indirect compensation for 2006).  But that's going to run out.  And I can't wait and give Immelt and GE the benefit of the doubt.  There are too many other businesses and products to invest (gamble) money into that are more promising and immediate.  At my age, time is of the essence.
 
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