Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Today I fortuitously stopped at the local Oreck dealer. 

Mike, the owner of several Oreck franchises and a few multi-brand stores had brought his new Edge upright from home, as stock had not arrived yet.

It has a more powerful motor, with a true  floating head. LED lights, infinite speed control AND and on-board stretch hose with a permanently attached telescopic crevice tool that is automatically active when the handle is in the upright position.  It lacks the Pilot's pivot head and the Halo's germ killing light. A model incorporating all three features is under development.  It is still easy to push, although it weighs 10 lb and requires a bit more effort than previous models.

There is a commercial OBT upright made by Stein (Sebo) that is very nice at only 450.00.  Oreck WILL be offering a bagless upright, but dealer participation is optional.  The new canister is color matched to the Edge and designed to be leaned on as the user vacuums stairs. Odd looking bare floor/crevice tool, no swivel neck. The bristles fold in to form the crevice tool, and the wand is inserted into a neck that curves more than 60 and less than 90 degrees, much like the OLD bare floor tools made of wood with the metal neck screwed on. A turbo tool is included and a dusting brush.

A cute little bagless canister is available for 49.99  Oreck has increased market share and has 89% brand recognition as a vacuum cleaner. They have become #1in  air purifier sales. (Mike did not say if that was dollar volume, or units or both.

The price of the Edge and matching canister will be about 750.00

Oreck is still marketing, still developing product, and still building a loyal customer base.

Carmine - oh here we go again with your dreary reflections on others' grieviances.. I have no interest in what others have found and the ASA are only a legislative body that deals with advertising. Electrolux aren't perfect by any means, they themselves (and Hoover) were subject to many claims that Dyson soon won in court over realistic testing.

Where have I said in any of my posts that the tests that I do should be carried out by others? Severus, I'm not suggesting the test is perfect, but it provides me with a clear answer that Dyson over the bagged vacuums are getting the dirt out of the carpet more than the bagged vacuums. That's my theory and it doesn't matter whether the dirt is fine or thick - if its viewable to my eye line then that tells me there is dirt being taken up from the carpet that the bagged ones are leaving behind. You can all tell me how wonderful material high filtration bags are and I know why I prefer them - they seal the dust in and they are healthier  - but please don't try and suggest that filter bags don't clog the moment they are installed in a vacuum cleaner and used to collect dust in! I prefer Dyson only in commercial conditions where speed is of the essence and where the priority is to ensure everything looks clean to the client.

VacmanuK:

The ASA is not of my doing, it's the UK adjuducating entity.  If you/others have issues with its authority and rulings, take it up with the ASA and the courts.  Your theories are your own, and obviously we have issues with them, as you can see in the posts in response to you.  You are both entitled and allowed to be wrong with your theories.  That's your prerogative.  The ASA is not and subject to legal proceedings if it is by those who disagree with it's findings.  I don't disagree with them in the cases.  I and others do disagree with you.  But obviously can't sue or care to.

Carmine D.

vacmanuk wrote:

vacmanuk,

I'm sorry to nitpick, but the last vac always wins in the test you describe.  That is why it is a favorite demonstration tool of door to door salespersons.  I'm not saying that the Dyson doesn't clean better than the Sebo.  More rigorous testing is needed to know.  Given your job, you might be in a situation where you could compare the average weight of dirt picked up with a Sebo and Dyson per hour of cleaning on similar carpeting. 

By the way, I don't think of bagged or bagless as being superior to the other.  It is a matter of personal preference. 

For the record, CR has both the Sebo Felix Premium and the Dyson DC28 at overall ratings of "very good" (scored at 67 where highest score was 73).  I expected the DC28 to be up there due to the change in brushroll. 

Dyson's DC24 rated as "good" with a score of 57.  All the Orecks rated "good" as well.

Venson

Severus wrote:

Hi SEVERUS:

The only person/company pitching bagless over bagged UP UNTIL this point is dyson and Sir James.  It's idiocy to make the bag/bin containment system the be all and catch all of a vacuum's rug cleaning performance.  Let alone clear versus colored bins.  Absurd.  In addition to outright wrong and untruthful.

Let alone, backs him into a corner on any designs/partnering with products and companies for bagged vacuums.  Not a bright business maneuver.  Downright dumb.  Writes off all customers and users who prefer bags over bagless for whatever reasons.  Health being one of the most significant. As stupid as saying in 2006 that bags would be a collector's item. 

Carmine D.

Severus wrote:
Rigorous testing isn't what I'm prescribing here. I'm only relaying MY findings and whilst you point out that the last vac comes first analogies, I tried the reversal. Upon ripping open the Sebo bag, the bag was completely clean. Infact I have a BS36 clear canister demonstrator that clips onto the top near the hose. When swapped over to do carpets, the Dyson was used firstly and then the Sebo afterwards. You can't tell me then that the last vacuum comes first in this case.

All I'm saying is that in commercial cleaning businesses Ive worked in, the Dyson picks up first time. Regardless of however ASA and other stats that Carmine wishes to throw into the fire, I'm not interested in that - I could mention other companies that ASA have been in dealings with and that wouldn't really support anything. Im not looking for support, I'm just relaying fact from my own findings. Whether you choose to agree with me or not isnt something I'm looking for, or condoning.

CarmineD wrote:

Seems like 99% of new vacuums being introduced are bagless.  No manufacturer is attempting to improve bagged vacs.  All the ads are pushing commercial.  Look on the shelves at all the new bagless models.  Can't find bagged ones.  Bags are also not as plentiful on the racks.  BTW it is idiocy to state that Dyson and Sir James are the only ones pushing bagless.  Of course we have become accustomed to your outright wrong and untruthful comments.

Now are all those other companies writing off bagged?  The writing is on the wall. 

DYSON, THE BRAND MOST IMITATED.  SIR JAMES, THE ONE CARMINE SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED.

vacmanuk wrote:

Didn't mean to disagree with your theories with the ASA facts. 

Feel free to post any ASA findings you like that you disagree with.  I'll read and respond.  On at least the two I mentioned, ASA is on the money and dyson didn't dispute/seek appeals.  I have to conclude if so, that dyson and his army of legal beagles decided not to lawyer up against ASA's findings and recommendations.  Good enough for me.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Good, now only I am right.