Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I have read several comments about the Hy Clean GN Bag not letting you fill the bag completely due to the straps that block sharp objects entering the bag. If that is the case why couldn't you just use the FJM Hyclean bags? There would be enought room for them to completely open and the bag couplings are the same except one is red and one is blue.

Just a thought ...

Bud

A Miele vac dealer I was talking to said to just cut several of the middle straps, he was pointing to the ones inside the bag.  You'd obviously want to do so when the bag is new and first installed.

He then said something about the "engineers in Germany ..." had this idea to prevent large or sharp objects from getting sucked in and damaging the bag, so the straps cushioned anything big that came through the hose at high speed.  I've shopped around to a few vac dealers, and this one seems pretty good, and knowledgeable. 

Welcome to the forum, future_retiree!

Personally I wouldn't cut the straps - they are bonded to both sides of the bag, top to the bottom. I'd be too afraid to cut them as the bags are so expensive. My problem is that the seals don't flap back to close the whole once the bag is released and Miele are well aware of the problem due to a review I've written on many websites. Plus if they haven't told consumers about cutting the ribbons it does look like a poor part of the design that should have been more thought out when they first launched the bags. I can't think of another brand where a high filtration dust bag must be messed about with when installing it.  When Miele launched the HyClean system they also launched videos for the bags. So what the dealer told you, he is absolutely correct and would have seen the video at the time of bag launch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIjAVyeXMUU (German / Dutch video)

www.mieleshop.com.au/ images/flash-movie.gif (Shortened video, English version)

vacmanuk wrote:
Thanks vacmanuk.  In that german video you posted, he pointed to the upper set of straps, and said to cut a few of them, and I remember him saying not necessarily all of them.  FYI.


The second link you posted is a still picture, not a video.  At least for me when I click it.

Try http://www.mieleshop.com.au/

It will take you to the Miele shop and you can see the video for the bags directly below it.

Hi All,
The Genuine Miele bags are now called "Air Clean" and I don't believe they have the straps anymore...

RAD1 wrote:
Interesting.. they're still called HyClean on the internet. Maybe Miele have yet to change the name of them. Only time I've seen the "Air Clean," name used is for their Active Air Clean charcoal filter.

vacmanuk wrote:

Rad is correct the NEW new bags are now the "Air Clean". I thought the strips were designed to flap against the outer walls of the bag ensuring the bag would fill from the innermost to the outermost so as not to obstruct suction. HUh....who knew it was to protect against sharp objects.

Well Lucky Im sure you'd have picked up on the material straps in the bag's design if you had watched Miele's videos. To be honest though the company don't promote enough of their videos and the Germany site has fantastic PDF brochures that have pages you can turn; very little of that design is offered in the UK for example.

Just been onto Amazon.com and found some interesting info on the "Air Clean Bags." The blurb from Miele/Amazon is:

"...Miele Style FJM AirClean Dust Bags Replaces the FJM Intensive Clean Dust Bags Fits all Miele Vacuums that use type F, J, or M Dust Bags. Package includes 4 AirClean bags, one motor filter, and one super air clean filter. The 9 stage layered special fabric of this dustbag has many advantages * 20% longer suction performance. * 15% improved filtration. * Impact foil preventing sharp-edged objects, such as pine needles, glass and sand from penetrating the bag. * Automatic dustbag closure for hygienic removal and disposal.."

Well the Intensive bags already had a foil part to prevent sharp edged objects -  I still have some of the original Intensive bags, and the AirClean does NOT replace the Intensive bags, but rather the HyClean series. Seems like Miele aren't prepared to either admit the name change or the fact that the original HyClean bags had a design fault.

Are those straps the only difference between the GN HyClean and GN "Air Clean"?

And how come you can almost never find these on sale? 

future_retiree wrote:

I have to think MIELE would have increased the number of ply of outer bag material.  From 5 typically for MIELE intensive Clean Plus bags to 9 now.  Sounds like a huge improvement.  MIELE has always prided itself in the quality and performance of its vacuum bags which in my opinion are a step or more above the best of industry standards.

Carmine D.