Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I have read several comments about the Hy Clean GN Bag not letting you fill the bag completely due to the straps that block sharp objects entering the bag. If that is the case why couldn't you just use the FJM Hyclean bags? There would be enought room for them to completely open and the bag couplings are the same except one is red and one is blue.

Just a thought ...

Bud

Miele GN bags are larger 5 litre capacity bags that have a different collar sizing against Miele's FJM 3.5litre / 4 litre bags. If you try and fit one into the S4 range it won't fit. The Miele bags in my experience have a poor fitting seal. I've never encountered anything getting stuck in the ribbons inside the bag however. I find that when the bags get completely full, sometimes the self closing seal doesn't close up properly. Miele's older fabric bags were better in this respect with a self closing top plastic tongue pull that covered the dust hole.

Also - update - the GN bags are FJM are different sizes - even if the GN fits into smaller cylinders by Miele such as the S4 or older S300 and S500 ranges, the bags wouldn't fully inflate properly due to the actual size of the bin in the vacuum cleaner. Both FJM and GN have the same ribbons inside.

A Miele vac dealer I was talking to said to just cut several of the middle straps, he was pointing to the ones inside the bag.  You'd obviously want to do so when the bag is new and first installed.

He then said something about the "engineers in Germany ..." had this idea to prevent large or sharp objects from getting sucked in and damaging the bag, so the straps cushioned anything big that came through the hose at high speed.  I've shopped around to a few vac dealers, and this one seems pretty good, and knowledgeable. 

Welcome to the forum, future_retiree!

Personally I wouldn't cut the straps - they are bonded to both sides of the bag, top to the bottom. I'd be too afraid to cut them as the bags are so expensive. My problem is that the seals don't flap back to close the whole once the bag is released and Miele are well aware of the problem due to a review I've written on many websites. Plus if they haven't told consumers about cutting the ribbons it does look like a poor part of the design that should have been more thought out when they first launched the bags. I can't think of another brand where a high filtration dust bag must be messed about with when installing it.  When Miele launched the HyClean system they also launched videos for the bags. So what the dealer told you, he is absolutely correct and would have seen the video at the time of bag launch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIjAVyeXMUU (German / Dutch video)

www.mieleshop.com.au/ images/flash-movie.gif (Shortened video, English version)

vacmanuk wrote:
Thanks vacmanuk.  In that german video you posted, he pointed to the upper set of straps, and said to cut a few of them, and I remember him saying not necessarily all of them.  FYI.


The second link you posted is a still picture, not a video.  At least for me when I click it.

Try http://www.mieleshop.com.au/

It will take you to the Miele shop and you can see the video for the bags directly below it.

Hi All,
The Genuine Miele bags are now called "Air Clean" and I don't believe they have the straps anymore...

RAD1 wrote:
Interesting.. they're still called HyClean on the internet. Maybe Miele have yet to change the name of them. Only time I've seen the "Air Clean," name used is for their Active Air Clean charcoal filter.

vacmanuk wrote:

Rad is correct the NEW new bags are now the "Air Clean". I thought the strips were designed to flap against the outer walls of the bag ensuring the bag would fill from the innermost to the outermost so as not to obstruct suction. HUh....who knew it was to protect against sharp objects.

Well Lucky Im sure you'd have picked up on the material straps in the bag's design if you had watched Miele's videos. To be honest though the company don't promote enough of their videos and the Germany site has fantastic PDF brochures that have pages you can turn; very little of that design is offered in the UK for example.

Just been onto Amazon.com and found some interesting info on the "Air Clean Bags." The blurb from Miele/Amazon is:

"...Miele Style FJM AirClean Dust Bags Replaces the FJM Intensive Clean Dust Bags Fits all Miele Vacuums that use type F, J, or M Dust Bags. Package includes 4 AirClean bags, one motor filter, and one super air clean filter. The 9 stage layered special fabric of this dustbag has many advantages * 20% longer suction performance. * 15% improved filtration. * Impact foil preventing sharp-edged objects, such as pine needles, glass and sand from penetrating the bag. * Automatic dustbag closure for hygienic removal and disposal.."

Well the Intensive bags already had a foil part to prevent sharp edged objects -  I still have some of the original Intensive bags, and the AirClean does NOT replace the Intensive bags, but rather the HyClean series. Seems like Miele aren't prepared to either admit the name change or the fact that the original HyClean bags had a design fault.

Are those straps the only difference between the GN HyClean and GN "Air Clean"?

And how come you can almost never find these on sale? 

future_retiree wrote:

I have to think MIELE would have increased the number of ply of outer bag material.  From 5 typically for MIELE intensive Clean Plus bags to 9 now.  Sounds like a huge improvement.  MIELE has always prided itself in the quality and performance of its vacuum bags which in my opinion are a step or more above the best of industry standards.

Carmine D.

The GN HyClean bags were described as "9-ply construction".  At least in the brief time -- last three months -- I've used them.

At this point, I'm easily mixed up on the names HyClean, intensive Clean Plus, Air Clean.    Worse, in some dealers I've been into, when pricing Miele vacs recently, I now realize they still have some stock of the evidently older (Intensive Clean?) bags. They would pull these bags out when asked 'how much are the bags?', and say something about 'there are five bags in this box and we sell three boxes for blah blah blah.'  Those were the dealers I checked off my list of ones I wanted to deal with.

Hi,

If you can't find bags at better prices elsewhere, last resort is to inquire what bags for your machine price at in bulk.  If your budget allows dealers will sell maybe ten packages of bags for around $80.00 -- or at least that was what was quoted to me last time I asked.

Venson.

future_retiree wrote:

Several answers: The AirClean Bags are just released in some areas so some dealers might not have yet ordered them and other stores might just wish to deplete the now old stock. The AirClean Bags DO have strips in them but they are wider, made from a softer material and attached on the bottom... not the top like the HyClean. The AirClean Bags "SEEM to ME" to have a slightly larger and softer rubber rim around the opening.