Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I heard tell that there was a new Lux coming down the pike.  Anyone have any info?  Is it a new Lux or a redesigned Guardian?

Some hear tell it has a digital motor. 

The multi-layer bags were originally lined with 3 layers of what appeared to be something akin to facial tissue, soft, porous, and in need of the sturdier outer paper shell that enclosed them. The bags for the Silverado clone (called 'The Perfect') use the clothlike filter material sometimes labelled 3M filtrete, but  I think there are more brands out there now. The new Airway bags, as most new high quality bags, are made of this material for durability, filtration, strong cleaning power as the bag fills, and resistance to tearing. They are also more expensive than their predecessors, in part, because they need less frequent replacement. With a much more powerful motor, and the quality control issues involved in outsourcing it would seem the new Aerus/Lux bags are simply not sturdy enough.   During the first part of a bag's useful life in an Electrolux, the cleaning power actually increases before it begins to drop off (on average, depending on the material being sucked up) due to a favorable shift in the airflow/suction ratio.  I saw the data plotted on the parabolic curve at the Lux factory in Bristol, VA. This was born out over decades of testing. There was obviously insufficient testing of the new bags because it was simply the familiar 'C' style bag used since the model 60. The very first 'C' bag was single layer paper. The salesmen would use an entire wrapper of bags during a demo because the single layer coated quickly and the automatic feature shut the machine off after only a few tablespoons of dirt had been picked up. Thus the multi-layer bag was created out of necessity. Testing would have revealed this flaw before manufacturing thousand of wrappers, but it was not deemed necessary.  Apparently, at least in this regard, Aerus has learned nothing from history, but as George Santayana said, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

As such Trebor, should be an easy fix for Aerus. 

Carmine D.

Carmine,

I had a few bags left out of a box and also bought a new box when I purchased the vacuum. Then when I sent the bags for testing, they sent me another box. All 3 had the same issue. I also have a pro care upright. I cut one of their bags and compared it to one out of each stock I had. Procare glues their inner layer in several places including the seam where the inner layer overlaps. Aerus does not have as many glue spots and the seam where it overlaps is not glued on the seam. Thus the problem, the cyclonic action with the new more powerful motor pulls the inner layer off of an area of about 2 to 3 inches for most of the length of the bag. Obviously I don't want dust and dirt penetrating the outer bag and going through the motor. I know I have a 20 year warranty, but I have always taken very good care of my vacuums and always use the original bags that were designed for that machine. I recently purchased the new upright that matches the Lux guardian ultra. I cut the upright bag and it is the same way the canister bags are, not glued on the overlaping seam. I haven't checked it to see if the inner layer is pulling away yet. I will let you know when I do.

This kind of all started when someone on this forum asked the question. Did Aerus check the bag for performance in the new machine, since it had a more powerful motor?  I had to go look............

Sincerely,

Bud

budmattingly wrote:

Bud,

You're absolutely right.  I suspect the bag maker blew it.  Aerus needs to redeem a whole batch of bad bags and get new and better replacements.

If you haven't already, you may want to fit some a piece[s] of the bag material cut to fit the rear end of the machine's bag holder to serve as a filter barrier.  This should keep dirt/dust overflow from the bag from penetrating the motor.  The greater problem of the Aerus bags.

Carmine D.

What your seeing is the end result of outsourcing. When corporate decided to sell off the machines and tooling to eureka aka electrolux, They take what they get from china and have to live with it,UNTIL THE CONTRACT EXPIRES

This has been going on for a long time , and now that the factory is retooled the quality control is being handled again in house.

The last good bag was the grey silveado bags................

mole

mole wrote:
Hi MP:E,

Wow! You're talking way back to the mid-70s. I bought a Silverado in 1974.

Venson

Hi Big V

If you bought a silverardo in 1974, you must of bought a prototype, It was not released till 1982.

Maybe you bought a SUPER J also a great machine,i liked the lightning bolts on the bags,they were yellow in color,B.T.W. theres a problem on the blue bags also its with the couplings.SOMETHINGS GOT TO BE DONE, Also its not a bad idea to staple the pleat At the bottom of the bag.

KEEP YOUR FINGERS CROSSED, I have also replaced many late model motors because of bag breakage and dirt seepage into the fans, The new vortec style motors are not as rugged as the older motors, the rpms are into orbit and are very dust and dirt sensitive,unlike the old workhorse motors. I believe the ddm motor also has this same problem.

regards

MOLE

mole wrote:
Hi MOLE,

Oops! You know -- you're right it wasn't 1974. That was the year for a used Pontiac Firebird and a new Filter Queen with the little German-made PN. The Super J was bright gold in color so that couldn't be it nor was it the bronze model, the Olympia One . I do remember well buying the Silverado while working at a Manhattan type shop just up the street from the dealer at the time. I assume I must have bought the Silverado after I moved from Manhattan, around 1981.

Eventually I passed it on to my best friend, and can vouch for its durability as it survived his cleaning man for almost 20 years until my friend passed away in 2005. I also had given him a Hoover Concept One upright with power drive which did not fare well. Apparently the power drive freaked the cleaning guy out.

That said, of all the bagged vacuums I've used or owned I have never experienced a disposable bag break with an Electrolux. Have you?

That I always attributed to the contained space of the bag chamber. The most bag-break prone I recall were the Lewyt's using the Speed-sak.

Venson

mole wrote:

Hello Mole, Venson:

Perhaps, the Golden J in 74-75 to commemorate Lux's 50th Anniversary? 

Agree on the stapling the seam.  Excellent idea.

Carmine D.

Bud, noise levels solved

Lux has come out with a solution for the high pitch/noise levels these newer, more powerful motors produce.  They have taken what looks like a nylon mesh pot/pan scrubber and inserted it into the exhaust port on the Legacy and Classic models.  Does it dampen the noise???  YES!!  BUT, I brought out my Baird airflow meter, and the airflow has now  dropped about 15% or so.  What a great idea     I don't believe they are installing this on the Guardian, but you could ask your dealer for the material as it will still fit yours. 

Vernon