Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Seen the new VAX line of bagless yet? better quality and performance?...at a far lower price.

Some say its stolen Dyson tech...some say its VAX xposing Dyson as a rip off [over priced] over hyped vacuum......that dyson is slipping[sinking brand]...that a dyson can be had at a fraction of the cost and with a warranty thats actually useable.......solved all the dyson flaws.....without the dyson shaft at the register. That VAX has zeroed in on dyson and plans to come at him head on.  If this is true ..then some drastic changes are due at dyson ....and another dyson [im a victim] lawsuit will come.......as always.

turtle1

Carmine also predicted that the Vax (and all other brands) would be the demise of Dyson. Dyson is going strong, Vax all but disappeared, and Hoover went busted.

Such a prophet.

HARDSELL wrote:

Dyson won a battle [at BEST BUY stores with VAX].  Not the war.  The war for sales is still being fought at all retailers.  Dyson sales are waning quickly while other vacuum brands sales are rising.    

Carmine D.

Well, long may it continue then because at the end of the day if there wasn't such a diverse line up of brands and products we'd all have to buy a Dyson if we want a cyclonic vacuum.

Off topic here, it reminds me strongly of when Datsun/Nissan entered the UK market with their Japanese saloons; they caused controversy because they were so plainly designed but against the mass brands and the crap of British engineering (my parents were Volvo, Audi and later Toyota fans!) the Japanese motor industry could churn out cheaper priced cars sporting the same features at less cost and reliability to boot. Hyundai and latterly Kia copied this idea in the 1990's and have a much better package in terms of home grown products.

Interestingly though Vax have always been British until they merged with Dirt Devil in the late 1990s and then with TTi. Most buyers in the UK don't even know that but if they did they would probably react in the same way when they discovered Dyson had moved production from the UK to Asia; i.e. a distinct lack of purchase power. Despite the changes in production, as brands Vax and Dyson have always been in trouble with each other. It's not pay back however, but a sign of the times - particularly in the UK - people aren't prepared to pay top prices for quality or new technology especially with a recession on.

The bagged vacuum industry in the USA is not ready to concede victory to bagless brands yet if ever let alone to dyson.  The former is still in the lead among vacuum buyers and users.  The latter are still fighting amongst themselves for the sales venues at the big box rip off stores.  With the schism between both [bagged and bagless] increasing year over year.  This phenomenon as much as the bad economic times are both powerful consumer forces working in concert to beat down the sales of the highest priced bagless brand.  Certainly, not a good indicator for a bagless brand and bagless dirt containment mode that boldly predicted would make bagged vacuums obsolete like the horse and carriage. 

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:
Dyson going strong? Is that fact or your opinion? Those are serious questions on my behalf. The reason I am asking is because of some of the recent discussions on dealer are sites reporting issues relating to financial dealings with Dyson that don't sound normal or business as usual. I am just curious.

Hello Lucky1:

I posted your concerns awhile back under a new topic:  Dyson going bankrupt?  Especially to DIB, but welcome any and all comments.  No responses as yet forthcoming.  As I mentioned, it was an industry rumor.  But apparently you are hearing the same.  You know how these work.  They spread quickly and are usually right.

I saw TV commercials for Saturn cars right up to the same day that GM annouced the deal with Penske fell thru, and the line would be scrapped.

Carmine D.

Lucky1 wrote:

I suppose that 'going strong' is an exageration in today's market.  Oreck as example has has to resort to selling left overs at Costco.

My point is that Dyson has survived better than the Hoover and Vax that was predicted to ruin Dyson.

HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

I detect a toilet shuffle on your part.  Back peddling.  Dyson is faltering big time, my friend, in all its markets big and small.  It has been since quarter 4 of  2007.  HOOVER, VAX,  and yes even ORECK at COSTCO stores as well as other vacuum brands are increasing and/or maintaining sales while dyson sales have slumped.   That's not bickering, HS, these are facts.  You and others here who boasted of dyson's past sales success want to divert attention away from the onerous dyson news which will inevitably come to light here. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

No shuffle Carmine.  Are you saying that all other brand sales are up?

I am not boasting or diverting.  You missed the mark sooo many times on the demise of Dyson.  THat is a fact.

Oreck sales must have slumped.  Why else would they have such an abundance of lefto over models to sell in a national store such as Costco.  Hasn't happened before.  Current models are also available at JC Penny.