Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Hello dyson DIB:

I heard a rumor today and figure the only way to confirm it is to run it by you.  The grapevine is saying dyson is going bankrupt soon?  Any truth to it?

Carmine D. 

M00seUK wrote:

Hello M00seUK:

The Malmesbury plant, any UK location for that matter, provided considerably less costs for freight and distribution of dyson product to the UK markets, while it was still a home grown/sold brand. 

Carmine D.

Having been witness to the dismantling of Electrolux Corp USA, I can testify that outsourcing production never produces the savings in real life that it does on paper. First there is the language barrier, and almost certainly a time differential. Quality control issues become much more complicated to manage. But, the laid off workers' wages pay and benefits then are used to fund enormous unearned and undesrved bonuses to executives for lowering product quality and putting hard working people out of work. They don't even deal with the irate customers, because the customer call center is outsourced as well!  We have reached the place where we reward criminal behavior and punish the honest hard-working stiff.  If James had said "Look, I need to expand, or I am going to have to outsource, he would have won his expansion rights. But it was probably all smoke and mirrors anyway. He learned well from the US corporations he dealt with, and their attorneys. I am sure the bankruptcy is being precisely orchestrated for maximum profit for Sir James, no matter how profuse his crocodile tears.

To be fair to James Dyson (don't faint DIB) Those two lawsuits were justified. The first was filed against Amway because they had paid 25K front money to James to study the plans, decided they were not interested in manufacturing,  andthen introduced their own version, confident their pockets were deeper and they would bankrupt James. The second was filed against Hoover UK for their 'Triple Vortex' cyclonic. They claimed they were using an old concept for separating sand from oil (Right. Anyone want to buy a bridge?)

Despite a stipulation from the judge barring Hoover UK from seeking the removal of a temporary injunction delaying their entry into bagless cyclonic vaccums, Hoover did so anyway.  The subterfuge shown by these two corpoate behemoths was obvious and just verdicts were rendered, one in the US against Amway, and one in the UK against Hoover. Unfortunately, James appears to have developed a taste for suing as a means of profit.  The 90 pound weakling bulks up at the gym and turns into the town bully, alas. His cause was just, but justice can be corrupted.

Trebor wrote:
Trebor,

It’s nice to see you're excepting demonstrable facts...  Dyson v. Amway, Dyson v. Hoover UK.  To your credit, the anti-Dyson types here would never admit or speak what you did/as you did.

Now the Dyson competitor comes out and demonstrable facts are nonexistent...  Can you demonstrate a single suit brought by Dyson demonstrating the Carmine foible?  That is, Dyson is lawsuit happy and a bully?

Recently Sir James sued Samsung over patent infringement and won.  How exactly did this $1-$1.5B Dyson bully the $9-$12b Samsung?

Carmine spouts and claims Dyson is lawsuit happy (never offering a bit of proof), then Venson got in line behind the Carmine foible, then Retardturtle got in line behind Venson and behind the Carmine foible. - And now you.  1 2 cha cha cha, 3 4 cha cha cha...  Come on everybody!... and do the the Carmine foible. 


DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:
So like I said DIB, please inform us of your own great accomplishments over the last 42 years. Are you as rich as JD (manner of monetary acquisition unquestioned) and are you working on your second or third Time Magazine cover?

As you'd have it, no one knows a thing except you and Jimmy D. Thus I sit here eagerly waiting to be impressed by your tales of your own great and fabulous feats in life, preferably not about money making and, please, no more boasting and/or proselytizing in making Jesus out of Lord Jimmy. We "worthless" nonetheless want word of the innovations you yourself have brought about to make our world all the more wonderful. Maybe such edification will save all us lowly ones.

As for the dance, so far you've proven that there's not much worth in your vacuum and/or cleaning knowledge. You'll never convince me that you're another Arthur Murray.

Venson

Venson wrote:

Venson,  you are beginning to act like Carmine.  What does DIB's accomplishments have to do with lawsuits?

Carmine shuffles the subject regularly to fight off the wolves.

HARDSELL wrote:
Hi Hardsell,

Quoting DIB comments from this same thread, here's why . . .

"By comparison...
Carmine has never posted his innovation numbers here. That being his - triangulating and pointing out where to drill a hole for the toggle switch on the Hoover Constellation.

Mole’s invented nothing.

Venson’s worthless.

Retardturtle, is looking to score points and make friends with vacuum dealers and then kick-back and watch the money roll in. Youth."


It being in past posts DIB has also called me a liar as to whether Severus and I were joined at the hip and, last but not least, labeled me worthless, I'd like an accounting of all he sees himself as. This is not my usual habit but one can tire of name calling and braying, even though I'm all for it if there's a good excuse. I so far have seen none here and just want a reality check to be sure I haven't missed out on something. That's why I'm asking.

Venson

Venson wrote:
Venson,

Living in reality is not your forte.

I will say this...  Ideas that have come from those close to me have generated over $3b EASILY.  I do not take lessons from hunkering down store keepers or old men playing children’s characters.  Deceivers, bad-mouther's and the jealous like you two are in the way of real men who get things done.


DIB

P.S.  If you want...  Have Mike W. write me privately and he and I can discuss your disgust. 

DysonInventsBig wrote:
DIB,

Quoting Shakespeare, "You always ends with a jade's trick. I know you of old."

"Ideas that have come from those close to me have generated over $3b EASILY."

Give me a break already! I didn't ask what your friends do, did or have done. Thus, your greatest talent yet appears to be name calling and as usual you and your paranoid perceptions have again proven the point for me. By the way, I don't have to run to Mike W. or anyone to be defended. I can manage on my own well enough.

Venson

Trebor wrote:

Trebor:

Let's give credit where it is due:  Dyson's New York City lawyers with 3 names and 3 piece suits.  The very same that prevailed against the poor young engineering student Kenneth J in its lawsuit over the student's ball facilitator.  The student's patent predated dyson's DC15 ball model by 9 years.  Lost on a technicality.  Kenneth J. got street justice instead of court justice.

The dyson lawsuits and money awards as well as their timing provided Sir James the seed money to accomplish what sales of dyson vacuums never could.  That's luck.  He'll need more of it.  Why?  I just received and email saying Capmark Financial Group, one of the nation's largest commercial-real-estate lenders, plans to file for bankruptcy as soon as this weekend, according to a person familiar with the matter.  How does that relate?  The housing and construction industry has a direct impact on new vacuum sales.  Less of the former results in less of the latter.  Maybe dyson should re-think its dealers' sales/service tactics?

Carmine D.