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DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454


Original Message   May 14, 2009 5:50 pm
This message was modified May 15, 2009 by DysonInventsBig



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Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900


Reply #52   Jun 22, 2009 5:29 pm
M00seUK wrote:
. . . Compared to the US, not all that many homes have high pile carpet to justify the spend.

Hi MOOseUK,

Do you know of any particular reasons why? Price, maintenance, style? For some reason at least for the late '50s on high pile carpeting was considered luxurious in the U.S. Man-made fibers like nylon, etc., made the longer pile wall-to-wall carpeting relatively affordable for just about everyone.

Best,

Venson
M00seUK


Joined: Aug 18, 2007
Points: 295


Reply #53   Jun 22, 2009 5:53 pm
Venson wrote:
Hi MOOseUK,

Do you know of any particular reasons why? Price, maintenance, style? For some reason at least for the late '50s on high pile carpeting was considered luxurious in the U.S. Man-made fibers like nylon, etc., made the longer pile wall-to-wall carpeting relatively affordable for just about everyone.

Best,

Venson

Not sure why, I guess just 'the way it is'. It's not to say that people here don't have high pile carpets; our family home used to have this in one room. But my personal experience is that high pile is them norm in the US, at least in the homes I've been in on the west coast.
Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900


Reply #54   Jun 22, 2009 6:24 pm
Thanks MOOseUK,

Just trying to aid to my understanding of the rest of the world's whys and wherefores.

Venson
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894


Reply #55   Jun 22, 2009 7:47 pm
Venson wrote:
Thanks Carmine.

Venson                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
M00seUK wrote:
Thanks Carmine - a good, objective review.
I suspect the price will fall in time. As is typically at this price range, you get the product out there, sell it for a RRP that's much as the early adaptors will take, then you can offer deep discounts to get people's interest in the next round of sales, which is where your best gains in margin / number of sales. But surely the main objective of this new model is to start getting Dyson some good PR via CR on it's cleaning performance.

It would be nice to see this model sold in the UK, but I have doubts that will happen. Compared to the US, not all that many homes have high pile carpet to justify the spend.


Both are welcome.  My pleasure.

M00seUK, you are not the first here to say dyson has something to prove with a top notch rating from CR.  Severus has noted that the dyson engineers have most likely broken down many SEARS [Panosonic] Progressives and HOOVER Windtunnels and examined both under a microscope to learn their advantages and benefits.

If I were James, an engineer, I'd have my other top notch engineers on notice that their duty and not just their job is to design and produce a vacuum that will not only ace the CR rug performance ratings but ace their rankings.  Anything less than a NUMBER ONE spot is at best a first place loss.  Unacceptable. 

Carmine D.

This message was modified Jun 22, 2009 by CarmineD
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894


Reply #56   Jun 22, 2009 7:58 pm
WRT the rug questions of USA vice UK, possibly the answer lies in the fact that for many years the best and biggest rug makers were here in the US.  Hence their products were more available in the USA than elsewhere in the world.

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894


Reply #57   Jun 23, 2009 2:51 pm
WRT dyson prices and sales, KOHL's advertsied sales running June 24 thru July 5 [at 57 Southern California and 5 Las Vegas locations] offer new dyson DC25 for $449 and DC17 Animal for $399.  Plus an additional 15 percent off for seniors and $10 KOHL' s cash for each $50 spent.  After these are sold on sale, I suspect the DC27 [Sam's exclusive] and DC28 airmuscle are next for big box store sales.

Carmine D.

Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900


Reply #58   Jun 30, 2009 12:11 pm
Hi,

I briefly tried out the Dyson DC28 at Best Buy today. The price is down for the Fourth ($509.00). Hose suction is quite nice. The only thing baffling is why the low carpet setting makes you work to move the machine about. My BB has very low-pile commercial carpet tile and I was surprised at the resistance when the cleaner was set to the normally appropriate "low" setting.

The very enthusiastic young salesman on the appliance floor assured me it was better to use the medium setting. I didn't buy the idea but tried it anyway. Set at medium on pile that was low the cleaner of course became easy to push and did pick up surface litter. I can't say that surface litter pick-up would attest to the thoroughness of clean in that or other situations.

The young man also impressed upon me that my life would be changed -- "Direct drive motor, no bags, no belts." He was a nice kid, I tried not to yawn. What was meritable is that first thing, he did a quick demo in regard to filter maintenance. He precisely instructed how they should be rinsed and left to dry thoroughly before replacement.

Best,

Venson
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894


Reply #59   Jun 30, 2009 12:33 pm
Venson wrote:
Hi,

I briefly tried out the Dyson DC28 at Best Buy today. The price is down for the Fourth ($509.00). Hose suction is quite nice. The only thing baffling is why the low carpet setting makes you work to move the machine about. My BB has very low-pile commercial carpet tile and I was surprised at the resistance when the cleaner was set to the normally appropriate "low" setting.

The very enthusiastic young salesman on the appliance floor assured me it was better to use the medium setting. I didn't buy the idea but tried it anyway. Set at medium on pile that was low the cleaner of course became easy to push and did pick up surface litter. I can't say that surface litter pick-up would attest to the thoroughness of clean in that or other situations.

The young man also impressed upon me that my life would be changed -- "Direct drive motor, no bags, no belts." He was a nice kid, I tried not to yawn. What was meritable is that first thing, he did a quick demo in regard to filter maintenance. He precisely instructed how they should be rinsed and left to dry thoroughly before replacement.

Best,

Venson



Hi Venson:

Thanks for the interesting post.  I was the first to use Best Buy's DC28 display.  I asked the sales lady, a nice young woman who was equally helpful as your BB associate, the following in order to demo test the height adjustments and she agreed.

We unloaded a DC14 bin on the low level flat BB carpet.  I spread it out abot a foot and I walked over it to get it in the rug fibers.  Combination of fine medium and heavy dirt.  Using the medium setting first, and easy to push, I made one slow pass over the rug dirt.  And shut off.  Then I dumped the bin onto a clean rug surface away from the test carpet area.

Next, using the low level adjustment I made the same pass over the rug area I already vacuumed.  Harder to push.  Much more harder.  More stuff picked up.  Then, I dumped the bin next to the previous bin dropping.  Almost as much picked up in the second pass as the first.  Obvious to me that the low level was better performance wise but harder on the arm/wrist muscles.

She watched me and and at this point she was thinking I have a "ringer" on my hands.  But she didn't say so outload.  I mentioned before I complained about the price 600 beannies being too high.  She advised to watch for sales.  And told me about the 30 day BB price match.  $90 bucks off is a nice savings for the latest and greatest dyson right out of the gate.  Combine with another 10-15-20 percent off, and the DC28 price is getting into a range that may attract some vacuum buyers' interest.

Carmine D.

 

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293


Reply #60   Jun 30, 2009 2:29 pm
Venson wrote:
Hi,

I briefly tried out the Dyson DC28 at Best Buy today. The price is down for the Fourth ($509.00). Hose suction is quite nice. The only thing baffling is why the low carpet setting makes you work to move the machine about. My BB has very low-pile commercial carpet tile and I was surprised at the resistance when the cleaner was set to the normally appropriate "low" setting.

The very enthusiastic young salesman on the appliance floor assured me it was better to use the medium setting. I didn't buy the idea but tried it anyway. Set at medium on pile that was low the cleaner of course became easy to push and did pick up surface litter. I can't say that surface litter pick-up would attest to the thoroughness of clean in that or other situations.

The young man also impressed upon me that my life would be changed -- "Direct drive motor, no bags, no belts." He was a nice kid, I tried not to yawn. What was meritable is that first thing, he did a quick demo in regard to filter maintenance. He precisely instructed how they should be rinsed and left to dry thoroughly before replacement.

Best,

Venson

If it only surface cleans it may be an Oreck with Dyson logos.
Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900


Reply #61   Jun 30, 2009 4:07 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
If it only surface cleans it may be an Oreck with Dyson logos.

Hi HS,

Couldn't have been an Oreck --- it had four or five buttons too many.

Best,

Venson
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