Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

It's true, no more clutch.  It uses a brushroll motor.

dusty wrote:
Thank you Dusty!
Q:  I do not see the spring in the schematic Motorhead provided.  Is the spring controlling the Cleaner head assembly (pushing the entire assembly into the floor)?

Are you enjoying the “debate” here (DC22 thread) regarding maneuvering, and does maneuvering have a place (a paying market) in the vacuum cleaner industry?  Your offering up information that the steerable DC25 is the most desired of all Dyson’s in your store is telling and confirms what the Big Box stores have on their websites. - That the Dyson Ball line are huge sellers ("Most Popular").  I would think if folks could see how a 9” DC22 Motorhead nozzle can fit into, around, under beds, under furniture faster and easier than the 100 year old way...  that is - the left/right swing and up/down articulation only - then they would certainly garner much attention.

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Your nose is growing by leaps and bounds DIB.  Most USA big box retailers can't sell the DC25 and have resorted to a DC16 giveaway with the purchase.  Both for $499.  Popular seller?  Your argument for a 9 inch P/N is convincingly funny.  Only you and dyson are buying it.  Not the VDTA and US consumers.  Small is small.  But tiny is too small.  You'd have us believe a baby vacuum with baby features is worth a $700-$800 MSRP and now that it is a time saving cleaner too!  Nice try.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
The spring is shown on the schematic, #8 on the left hand side.  From memory (I'm at home) I believe it was attached fro the body to the floating brush head.  By doing this it eliminates the problem the DC07 had with the sole plate not always making full contact with the floor.

Maneuvering definitely has a place in the vacuum industry.  I will agree that the Dyson pn is by far the most steerable, the Sebo shown isn't bad but pales in comparison to either the Wessell Werk or Riccar powerheads.  I'd give these two a close runner up to the Dyson. The Ball uprights certainly are maneuverable but the also aren't for everyone.  I have seen people with bad wrists or shoulders struggle with the steering aspect.  It would be nice to see Dyson bring the handle weight of these machines down a little bit, it would certainly make ease of use better.

As far as the DC22 nozzle goes, I can see where it would have it's fans and also it's detractors. In our area, where house prices have gone thru the roof the trend is toward condos which also means less square footage, tighter living areas and less storage.  Small machines are a good seller for us but there are still customers who want smaller and smaller with a powerhead would be even better.  We'll see what happens when the machines hit the market here and what price they come in at.

Dusty

CarmineD wrote:
Ok, I gotta ask.  Just because you give away a hand vac with purchase (and it's on any Dyson over $499 btw) that means the vacuum isn't selling?  You know when you buy a Oreck Gold you get a $100 discount off the top followed buy a free $130 iron, 5 free tune ups worth $200 and a free cannister vacuum worth $199. So on a $500 dyson I get $150 worth of free product and on the $600 Oreck I get $630 worth of free product. If Dysons arent' selling based on a hand vac giveaway, Oreck must be getting ready to shut down completely.

Dusty

dusty wrote:

Glad you asked Dusty.  First, TARGET and BEST BUY stores have/had the DC16 giveaway just with the DC25 ball model, so you are not completely correct.  This tells me dyson DC25 Ball is not selling at those retailers and the giveaway is a way to jump start sales.  Else the stores, which carry other dyson models, tho not sure for how long, would follow the "any dyson sale for $499" merits, as you mention.  I should add the DC16 is a dud by all accounts.  Too high a price.  Too short a run time.  So it's possible the giveaway is a way to also cull the retailer shelves of the DC16 inventory.

WRT ORECK.  Recall a certain dyson poster here always ridicules the brand for its giveaways [not you].  Since dyson took a page from ORECK's marketing play book, he's not said anything about dyson falling into the same marketing scheme.   BTW, HOOVER does now too!  Huge difference between ORECK and dyson ball giveaways.  First, ORECK's giveaways come with a purchase of as little as $299.  Always have.  It is a routine selling feature of ORECK.  Second, ORECK is a straight upright cleaner w/o on board tools [like dyon].  The companion compact canister supplements the cleaning team.   The iron/handcleaner/stick and other similar gift is icing on the cake to close the ORECK deal.  The higher priced ORECK's use the free tunes as a distinct selling feature.   Again, always have.  BTW, unlike dyson ORECK gives a free in home no obligation free trial of 30 days.

Carmine D.

dusty wrote:

Dusty, I would add that some users, like me, are not cann fans.  I and others prefer a lightweight upright/stick, like ORECK, to push and pull around for daily/quick use.  Not a cann with on board tools that I have to lug out and pull around with me throughout the cleaning effort.  I can use my ORECK on over 1500 square feet of mixed flooring coverings in 15 minutes [all one level].  I've used a tiny cann [granted w/o a P/N but a 9 inch rug/floor tool] and gave up after 30 minutes w/o the same grooming and cleaning on the rugs and a job not finished. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

                      XL $300           XL Silver $400        XL Gold $600         XL Platinum $800

Price Slashed                                      $50                       $100                          $200

Free Iron                                              $130                    $130                          $130

Hand Held          $150                            $150                   $200                         $250 

Tune ups                                                 $40                  $200                          $400

Net                      $150                           $30                   -$30                         -$180   

Recommended bags $40                      $40                     $50                            $50 (no upright bags included)

Back to                 $200                         $70                    $20                          -$130

Looks like Dyson still has profit left after free gift unlike Oreck.  I prefer on board tools as opposed to having to store then drag them out.  Not to mention having to lug a 5 lb hand held around. Dyson has always been returnable within 30 days due to store policies. 

Just observing the price slashing it seems as if Oreck took a page from Dyson.  Why all the slashing? Is Oreck having finance problems ?  I know their vacs are worth about $50.  If they could only get those ridiculous prices without the freebies they might be profitable.

CarmineD wrote:

If you deep cleaned it would take longer.  Then again deep cleaning with an Oreck is an oxymoron regardless of the time spent vacuuming.

Hello HS:  Haven't had your coffee yet, I see!

Lest you forget, Tom Oreck, CEO of ORECK, was the first vacuum industry Exec to make statements in January 2009 to the financial news networks on nationwide TV about ORECK 2008 sales.  Saying and I quote:  "ORECK fared better than most of the industry but not as well as we pedicted for 2008."  If lucky, lucky, dyson may publish its results earlier than Nov 2009 [legal requirment] for 2008.  And has made no public announcements about 2008 sales or if it has the results are so bad no dyson insiders here will post them.  Recall, the pound is down by 30 percent against the dollar and down against other EU currencies.  So the dyson numbers' wizards will be looking to fudge/spin to look good.   Have to wait to see how and by how much.

Talking about canns, when was the last time you lugged out your Rainbow?  What happened to that old Lux tank you use to own?  What do you own and use now?   

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

In fact, many retailers, after threats of legal action and suits by vacuum customers, have taken dysons back long after 30-60-90 days.  The reason in part, retailers are culling their dyson inventories in these bad times.  And so many dyson refurbs for sale.  And probably the reason in part the Dc07 and Dc14 are being scrubbed by dyson.  To many returns due to faulty clutch chatter.  Drives people and pets crazy.  Like scratching your nails over the chalk board.  Or a rake over the concrete.  Just gets under your skin.

Carmine D.