Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

CarmineD wrote:

I clearly posted at the top of my thread/this page that the [Motorhead] price point was $799.  Who told you or where did you see the DC22 selling for $900?        DIB

Novelty?  The 1) Science of - No Loss of Suction until year 2014-2016 is a novelty?  And the  2) Convenience of - no cleaning the pre-filter until year 2014-2016 is too a novelty?  Dyson is the Chuck Yeager/Bell X-1 of vacuums manufacturers...  he destroyed and blew past an “impossible” 100 year old barrier...  no clogging, no [hassle] pre-filter maintenance for 5-7 years. - No one comes close to this accomplishment!  Once again Sir James and the Dyson team out-invented the many global, deep pocketed, powerful and monster sized corporations.

Again, the DDM DC22 is going up against the Miele, which at its core offers nothing more than what the canister herd offers... no exclusive measurable technologies that prove it has superior lifting, suctioning and storing/filtering abilities.  Miele, like many use off the shelf technologies and designs.  And Miele owners have the privilege of driving to their dealer to spend their money on replacement sacks.

Frequent bin emptying is a none issue for many.  Watch HSN and listen to the Dyson owners call in and give their “Dyson testimonies”... the frequent bin empties = much dust and debris being vacuumed.  Frequent bin emptying is the downside to successfully suctioning up much dust and debris and no pre-filter cleaning and no loss of suction for 5-7 years.  Frequent bin empties is far better than slaving to the Miele sack replacement and its costs.

The plastic wand is very strong.

Dyson airwatts vice sack vacuums airwatts...  suck up a 1 or 2 cups of dust (slowly) and the difference is measurable. - Dyson’s do not choke, the sack does.  This is well known in the dealer and collector circles, only they won’t demonstrate it.

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Until it's marketed, prices are just in a range not a given.  The point is for this price range [$700-$900], it has to meet/best the competition's performance [not just MIELE] and something else a step above to attract buyers.  So far, mum's the word from the VDTA on this dyson save some discussion here.

Carmine D. 

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Hiya DIB,

When you shrink a vacuum down to thimble size it's a novelty and not practical for households of decent size. Would you put a mini TV in your living for the whole family to watch. No -- I don't think. Why? The size isn't practical.

I have used and owned plenty of vacuums that can whoosh up a a couple cups of dust and then some. It's not worth having one if it can't.

Best,

Venson

Venson,

I own the DC05 and love the small size (it's small size makes it easy to pull and is less prone to crashing into furniture/walls).  And because it only takes 1-1 1/2 minutes to remove the bin and to empty, the small[er] capacity is a non-issue.  I can out maneuver any upright (and the DC21) with the DC05, I expect the DDM DC22's to maneuver the same.

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Excuse me DIB and Venson for chiming in here, but this last statement/observation begs the question that inquiring vacuum minds want to know:  Is it "science' and/or "mechanics"  and/or both that allow a thimble sized cann vacuum to out manuever a larger, heavier, bulkier full-sized upright vacuum?  I can attest to the fact.  I have a $50 HOOVER [made in China] cann that is pint sized and it goes everywhere and anywhere that my full sized uprights can't.  And the small bag holds alot of dirt before the bag indicator goes on.  Amazing!

Carmine D. 

Venson

I disgree.  I have had a Dyson DC03 which has a small bin and a DC05 which I no longer use.  Both these machines were small,  the DC03 being extreamly slim, it could lay flat to the floor and vacuum under tables (unlike Dyson uprights today) the DC05 is wonderfully light and easy to move around furniture and up the stairs and is very capable cleaner for the european home.  I did not find myself having to keep emptying the machine as the dust level is kept at a reasonable level in my house (my Dyson DC04 needs emptying every 3 months or so), 

I hope Dyson keeps on developing small machines and I think it is a real shame that Dyson does not sell the Dyson DC26 in the UK!  I think it will do very well in some of the small flats in London (a DC26 would be perfect for my frieds very small North London flat)

The only thing I don't agree on is that Dyson have these other seemingly normal sized Dyson the DC14 and DC25 for example have a chasis that is similar in size to my DC04 and these machines have such a small bin capacity, when I look at the bin it seems like most of the space is kept for the shroud where the space could be used a bit more for more dirt to collect.  I looked at the DC22 - why is there such a small space for the dirt, the shroud is so big!  My Dyson DC05 is very small but there is quite a bit of space for the dirt to collect.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
CarmineD wrote:
Carmine,

A:  Neither.  It’s just smarter than some of the clumsy bloated nozzles that are on the market.  I only through in some benefits of the small sized DC22 - on the “Beat on Dyson DDM DC22 day”.  I hope it was okay to contribute?


Q:  The $50 cheapie you mention...  is it not true it filters [mechanically] exactly like every sacked clogNchoke vacuum on the planet, including the euro so-called exotic’s?

DIB

bucks03 wrote:

Again, chiming in here, pardon me.  If dyson goes the 'petite' vacuum route, and it may carve this vacuum market as a niche, the question becomes the best marketing venue and countries for sales.  I don't see the USA big box retailers having a huge consumer demand for these vacuums at $700, $800, and $900 a pop.  Nor do I see independent vacuum store owners/operators, who typically sell the main stream full sized vacuums save the smaller mid-class RICCAR/Simplicity line of canns.  Clearly  'specialty' cleaners like the DDM DC22 at high prices are not the main stream retailer products for stores and dealers.

Strange as it sounds, the DDM DC22 would be a perfect partner with a lightweight upright in a 'power team' duo.  But and its a big one, the marketing venue.  ORECK has the lock on this sales combo and HOOVER is in it now too.  Is there time and place for a dyson duo?   

Carmine D.

Hi Bucks03,

This particular cleaner's diminutive size may well be of great use to people dwelling in one or two room apartments and I have already said that. However, on our respective sides of the sea, spending as much as the suggested price will not prove an enticement or much of a choice for many people who simply can't afford it. Studio and one bedroom apartments are abundant but costly AND nothing -- at least most of the time in New York -- is included so gas and electricity plus all the other usual expenses don't leave much room for dropping $800 on a vacuum. It being we literally have people crawling over each other to land a job these days this vacuum due to price and size is going to be a slow mover.

Also in regard to size, cleaning habits are not the same individual to individual. If you want to hedge your bets as a manufacturer its better to put a mid-sized vacuum. Not too large, not too small and subsequently the better deal for the person living in a studio or the person living la vida delicioso with three or four bedrooms, etc.

Many busy people can get well beyond a week before they get to thinking about serious vacuuming -- especially if it's a chore they don't have much of a liking for. A machine with capacity that alleviates the bother of frequent emptying is not a bad thing. I have duly noted your mention that you empty your Dyson less frequently but that practice is not recommended by the cleaner's maker and thus may be grounds for a warranty void. For my purposes this machine would not be a boon. If it is for you, I think that's great.

DIB,

We started out with small PNs when the trend began. Matter of fact, I think the largest was the el-shaped model that Kenmore included with a deluxe canister it made in the very late 1950s. Other vacuum brands like Whirlpool, later Compact, and Filter Queens very first PNs were barely more than 10 inches across. The idea of wider cleaning swaths that brought PNs to 14-, sometimes 15-inches, was done to speed up clean by allowing a wider cleaning path.

Sorry, I was taught to clean not to play. There's far more to do in one's cleaning day than just vacuum. Vacuums that are too big, too small or too complicated are all hindrances.

Venson