Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Hi Carmine, when your in this business as long as you and I have been, along with a few others like Venson,You know and recommend whats best for your customers.

The quick hit sell them what ever is on the roster and let the service department put out all the fires will and has come back to haunt these same quick buck get the numbers at any cost and are and closing their doors.

Yes the D.J. done right [although not my favorite model] will last long enough that the customer will see their grand kids go through high school.With a new hose every 8 years and tune ups done every 8 to 10 years.

I will admit that after selling and repairing almost every vacuum on the planet[centrals included] ELECTROLUX /AERUS is still the best all around value either new or rebuilt.

The pricing is not insane,

How many 40 and 50 year old dysons, and mieles you see? nuff said.

regards

MOLE

Here's one thing that I find questionable about the DC22's motorhead: It's only nine inches wide. To me, this seems to be a bit too narrow, even if its intended purpose is to clean smaller homes. Even the Miele compacts use 10.5" wide power nozzles, let alone the 13.5" width of the Dyson full size power nozzles. It a PN with a narrow width of 9 inches more common in Europe/Asia?

Japanese specs: 282 X 233 X 69 mm or 11.10 x 9.17 x 2.71 inches (Length x Width x Height)

iMacDaddy wrote:
Howdy iMacDaddy,

All things loved in America are not necessarily a big deal elsewhere. Canister vacuums with power nozzles in general, to my knowledge, are not and have not been a high-priority in regard to European vacuum makers OR consumers in Europe or Asia. I was away a long time and of course always checking out stuff wherever I happened to be. Besides looking around shops and department stores I check out catalogs as well. Upright vacuums of course were being manufactured but canister vacuums with PNs basically were not. Save for Luxe International -- http://www.luxinternational.com/products/bright_home/ -- I saw Siemens, AEG, Fakir, Morphy Richards, Nilfisk, Electrolux AB and any number of canister cleaner brands but can't recall one that included a power nozzle among its accessories. I do not know whether it was due to them not being of interest or importance to consumers, consumer's concerns over power consumption -- quite often a big deal abroad, or just cost. However power nozzles, believe it or not, have been a vacuum buying enticement in this country for at least the last fifty years.

As I stated in an earlier post many PNs were on the small side starting out and few were rating as comparable to a regular upright for good rug cleaning. Thus PN's needed to be wider (to match an uprights cleaning path plus have better brush rolls. Appparently, this challenge has been met as cansters with PNs that don't match upright carpet cleaning ability are more the exception than the rule.

For what it's worth, please note that the average width of straight suction canister vac nozzles was usually 12" and seldom less than 11". Bare floor tools were often made smaller at about 9" to 10".

Unless the area you're cleaning is cluttered with things either of a size or weight that would make moving them inconvenient and/or too time consuming as you work, a 12" to 14" PN should suffice for just about anybody. A 9" PN is not useful just however a vacuum of such small size probably would be render inefficient if fitted with one that's wider. To me using PNs and vacuums this small for other than tiny apartments and/or light duty is the same as borrowing a kid's toy shovel to dig a ditch.

Venson

I also forgot the consideration, that in Turkey plus many parts of Asia, people nor their visitors enter their homes wearing shoes. Though I am not sure the same applies for other Muslim countries, in all parts of Turkey, even Istanbul and Ankara the capital, guests remove their shoes when entering private homes. The same applies in Japan and surrounding areas I believe. That alone eliminates need for heavy artillery.

Venson

9 inches might make a good nozzle size for a stick vacuum for $100 plus for quick pick ups.  Not $700, $800 and $900 MSRP canns.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

A 9 inch nozzle is nothing to be ashamed of.

CarmineD wrote:
Carmine,

Often enthusiasts and independents attack Dyson products with weak arguments.  Show them how to build a good argument...  Q:  Why is a 9” nozzle a bad thing?

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:  You're still in April Fool's mode!  Too small.  Worthless for users except as a quick picker upper.  Just like the whole DDM DC22 vacuum!  Too small.  The brush roll revolves in the wrong direction too.  A point made very early on in the thread.  Re-read. 

Carmine D.

Dyson and his fans [employees] have to make the arguments "for" this new revolutionary and radical model with the VDTA and vacuum buying consumers.   Not the other way around.   So far it's not working for some here.  What do you say to convince us.  Can the euphemisms and glowing words.  Give us the facts.  We know the filter schedule.  Broad promise at best for the moment.  Time will tell.  Don't know this to be the case yet.  What else do you have to offer?  Don't give us the digital brushless motor.  It's in the Airblade and sales are at a stand still.  $1400 too much.  Like $800 for a baby cann vacuum.  Too much.  But it has over 820 patents!!  Wow.  That's a selling feature?

Carmine D. 

Customer comes in buys a crevice tool for her golden J, machines over 35 years old, asks me what i think of dyson,i pulled the old end around routine and asked her what she thought of them,finally comes out and says she bought a purple one at a dicount store,i got a good deal she says only 250.00 bucks, but i really dont like it,i said shees thats too bad,its marketed as the next revolution in cleaners,  What dont you like about it /her answer is i'm very limited as to what i can do with it,too much hassle to use,plus i dont like cleaning anyway,

Now the best part [CAN YOU SELL IT FOR ME] I reply SURE what do you want for it, G ive me the crvice tool and 6 bags and its yours,I own  dc14 for $ 4.00

regards

MOLE