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DysonInventsBig


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Original Message   Jun 28, 2008 12:41 am

Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread.

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DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454


Reply #566   Jan 29, 2009 2:34 pm
Trebor wrote:
 All of this ballyhoo over a vacuum cleaner that is now all but one more chapter in history?

James Dyson is a brillant conceptual engineer, but he is not a design engineer to nearly the same degree. He designed a new concept around a vacuum cleaner. What his imitators are doing now is designing their vacuum cleaners around what is now a commonplace concept.  Mr. Dyson made vacuums that are novel, and admittedly fuctional in that they maintain their cleaning power much longer than vacuums equipped with the paper bags of approximately 20 years ago. However, by no stretch of the imagination did he build vacuum cleaners which are attractive (downright fanny ugly) nor convenient, not compared to many he had to compete against. To avoid having a height adjustment he designed a failure-prone clutch assembly which is not inexpensive to repair. (Oh ye who dibelieve, talk to the vac shops waiting on repair parts on back order from Dyson) The hose/wand is inconvenient (Actually his imitator, Amway, had the optimum solution, a lever to switch suction from floor to hose, and a short stetch hose with a crevice tool on board. The addition of a telescopic wand, dust brush, and upholstery tool on board would have allowed the operator to vacuum with the vacuum handle in one hand, and the hose/wand in the other and switch from one to the other with the flick of a toe. The Sharp bagless had this arrangement, and it is the most convenient upright to use simultaneuoslty with OBT of any that have ever been manufactured. Eureka/Lux has a few BUT, the switch from floor to above-the-floor is acheived with a dial which must be operated by hand.

The important issue to remember is that the bagless concept has now been rendered obsolete by the new bags made from 3M Filtrete paper/cloth. They have been proved in Miele, Sanitaire, Kirby and other brands to maintain nealy 100% of their initial cleaning power as they fill with dirt. The dirt in these bags is compacted as the bag fills, in the bagless machines it is fluffed and looks like more than it really is. If you don't have to change the bags as often as you would have to empty a dirt container, and if the bags are more sanitary and convenient, what are the advantages of a bagless unit, even a Dyson? Cost? It is just paper, not hide flayed from anyone's back. Does anyone track how much bathroom tissue, facial tissue, paper plates and paper towels they use annually? If not, what is all the fuss and to-do about the cost of 6 to 8 bags a year? Nothing but hype, and it is ludicrous. James Dyson you have had your 15min of fame, is that all you've got?


Trebor,
Did you ever phone up your bagged vacuum manufacturer suits and demand...  “Get off your asses and innovate product people want to spend money on” and “Innovate product that sells itself”?


DIB
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Trebor


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Reply #567   Jan 29, 2009 3:18 pm
Actually, DIB, I did.

James Mccain, the Chief of Operations at the Electrolux factory in Bristol,VA had me flown in to address his engineering team. I am the only person ever accorded that honor in the 80yrs Lux was an a vac company on North American soil. I gave them an earful! I had the idea for the Sebo Felix in 2002. Customer demand would have put 3 shifts running 24/7 for probably 5 years. I wanted to make the PN usable on the canister or the lightweight. That was only the tip of the iceberg as far as ideas from me and my fellow sales people. 

I also had some tremendous ideas for tweaking the Dysons into better looking, more user friendly vacuums for American women. I also wrote four very eye-catching commercials for Dyson, and spoke to Mike Monte (the marketing liason between Dyson and their American advertising agency) several times. James is as resisitant to input from outside his organization as any of the vac manufactureres he tried to sell his invention to. Amercans love good advertising, but James, I was told, did not "believe in the way Americans advertise." So Dyson is no more receptive to innovation that he did not create than anyone el

Trebor


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Reply #568   Jan 29, 2009 10:35 pm
Venson,

With the exception of plastic ware (rubbermaid, tupperware0 the condesnsation drying works just great in my Bosch d/w

About the cost of bags, it is a well-nown fact that Electrolux mage more money off of bag sales than cleaner sales for a good many years.  A 3.00 tube of toothpast costs what, .25 to make? A 1.50 fountain soft drink is .003 or something like that? Everybody needs to be paid for his/her contribution to whatever the product is. I really get tired of people disparaging 'the middle man" . The wholesaler to the supplier to the retailer are necessary steps in the chain of distribution. Call up the Kirby factory and say "I'd like to but ONE Kirby, please, at Area Supervisor cost! Yeah, right! Direct from the mill or direct from the factory outlets are often not that much cheaper than discount stores because there is still a storefront to be mainatined, sales help to be paid. People walk into a 'factory direct' operation and expect the same help they would get in a full-service department store. If it's a factory direct operation you should have done your research, know what you want, and be able to say, "I want that one!" and hear "Yes,sir, will that be cash, check, or charge, and did you want the extended service plan for just xx.xx?

Venson


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Reply #569   Jan 30, 2009 2:56 am
Trebor wrote:
Venson,

With the exception of plastic ware (rubbermaid, tupperware0 the condesnsation drying works just great in my Bosch d/w

About the cost of bags, it is a well-nown fact that Electrolux mage more money off of bag sales than cleaner sales for a good many years.  A 3.00 tube of toothpast costs what, .25 to make? A 1.50 fountain soft drink is .003 or something like that? Everybody needs to be paid for his/her contribution to whatever the product is. I really get tired of people disparaging 'the middle man" . The wholesaler to the supplier to the retailer are necessary steps in the chain of distribution. Call up the Kirby factory and say "I'd like to but ONE Kirby, please, at Area Supervisor cost! Yeah, right! Direct from the mill or direct from the factory outlets are often not that much cheaper than discount stores because there is still a storefront to be mainatined, sales help to be paid. People walk into a 'factory direct' operation and expect the same help they would get in a full-service department store. If it's a factory direct operation you should have done your research, know what you want, and be able to say, "I want that one!" and hear "Yes,sir, will that be cash, check, or charge, and did you want the extended service plan for just xx.xx?


Hi Trebor,

I'm glad your Bosch is working you and I'm sure the company won't miss my money. 

Regarding prices, I have never said that I expect anything to be given away -- just to be sold with a reasonable profit in mind.  In past I purchased a new fully acoutred Kirby far below what the door-to-door guys were pushing them for and -- no -- it did not "fall off the truck."  I also got the new Miele at a considerable discount.  Persistence and adamance sometimes pay off.

By the way, I don't do expensive toothpaste --  I have been using peroxide and baking soda for years.

Best,

Venson
DysonInventsBig


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Reply #570   Feb 3, 2009 4:35 am
M00seUK wrote:
If you'd like to read more about cyclone separation technologies than most people would care about, head along to:-

http://alpha.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Patents/2009/55.html

...for the recent case notes of the Dyson Technology v Samsung Gwangju Electronics.


"This important judgment confirms Dyson’s view that inventions should be inventive. Samsung had tried to protect arrangements which were not inventive"... Article here.
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DysonInventsBig


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Reply #571   Apr 23, 2009 8:54 pm
900 UK business managers said...  "James Dyson once again topped the poll as the most admired business leader with 47% of the vote..."
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2009/04/22/4146366.htm

"The lovely and super intelligent James Dyson..."
http://www.realbusiness.co.uk/business-comment/5617536/the-godfather-named-best-business-film.thtml
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CarmineD


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Reply #572   Apr 24, 2009 7:59 am
DysonInventsBig wrote:
900 UK business managers said...  "James Dyson once again topped the poll as the most admired business leader with 47% of the vote..."
"The lovely and super intelligent James Dyson..."


I like and admire the man Dyson.  His products [vacuums and hand blowers] leave alot to be desired from performance and price perspectives.  Just my opinion no offense to his admirers and fans.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig


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Reply #573   May 21, 2009 8:05 pm
28 million viewers (more or less) watched the Dyson Ball Commercial (DC24) during the American Idol final last night.        DIB

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j383-6w3LgLNBPk16aZ1gxTw5hZgD98AOPPG0
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CarmineD


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Reply #574   May 21, 2009 8:11 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
28 million viewers (more or less) watched the Dyson Ball Commercial (DC24) during the American Idol final last night.        DIB


So.......... that was the thunderous laughing roars that I heard last night here in the Valley.  Thanks. 

Carmine D. 

M00seUK


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Reply #575   Jun 16, 2009 6:24 pm
Dyson DC25 to feature in this summer's Transformers movie

Dyson's product placement in TV programmes such as Friends and CSI has often felt tedious at times, but there's no doubt in my mind that it's been very effective at raising the profile of the vacuum cleaner brand since the DC07 launch on the US market. I even noticed the Dyson Airblade in the new Star Trek movie recently; a number of units can be seen in the background of scenes in the sick bay.

It's rumoured that the DC25 will feature in the movie Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, which is out this Friday.

http://www.t3.com/news/dyson-dc25-transforms-into-robot-for-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen?=39131

As I kid of the 80s myself and a keen Transformers collector back in the day, this all sounds quite fitting. It's perhaps the 'Transformer style' qualities of the Dyson vacuums that endears a 'big kid' fascination of the vacs for me and for others.

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