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DysonInventsBig
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Original Message Jun 28, 2008 12:41 am |
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Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread. . 
 
 
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HARDSELL
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Reply #330 Nov 5, 2008 7:20 pm |
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Hello DIB: Sight glass in a dirt bin? Never heard of it. Any proof forthcoming? Perhaps a model name/number? Lest your historical source be confused with the clear soft plastic on the Lewyt Speed Saks from the 50's. I presume, not sure so I asked, that you are making a point that even among thieves dysons are in demand. Concluding that this is proof of their sales popularity/success. This suggests that you, based on thieves' actions and motives, impute intrinsic value to dyson vacuums as marketable commodities. They're vacuums, not works of art. My thoughts on the matter are that dyson vacuums are overpriced. And the thieves [especially those who are caught on surveillance cameras] are not very bright. I have a rhetorical corollary question to your hypothesis. If thieves who steal dysons are not too bright then what does one conclude about the people who buy them? Carmine D.
Actually the thieves are brighter than you Carmine. If you had a shovel and a lawn mower in your yard do you think the thief would take the shovel and leave the mower. Most thieves are buying for a hasty resale.
Now do I steal a $59 Hoover and get $10 for taking the chance or do I stesl a $400 Dyson and sell it for $50 to $100. Persons buying Dysons have a superior intelligence to those buying electric brooms.
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CarmineD
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Reply #331 Nov 6, 2008 6:01 am |
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Hello HARDSELL/DIB: I beg to differ with you HS. If the vacuum thieves had superior intelligence and were bright, as you say, they would figure out a way to take $50 vacuums and sell them for $400. Not the other way around. James did the former. He's bright. He does it legally. Very good marketing and cheap [Mal] ASIAN labor. The thieves in these stories are doing the latter. Stealing $400 plus vacuums with all the risks and legal consequences to sell for $50 to $100 [your prices]. Probably asking prices. More like $25-$50 cash in these hard economic times, if and when the thieves can find buyers. Especially with the dyson refurb market legally pricing for $150 plus on the Internet. The risk now legally is not worth the little reward. Especially for vacuums! No resale/entertainment value! Sorry dyson campers, I don't impute/conclude any esoteric motives and meanings to the vacuum thefts as you like to do. To me, just stupidity and the gullibility of the thieves who are also duped by all the hawking/hyping to risk life and limb for chump change. Here's my conclusions on the thefts: James Dyson has single handedly spawned a brand new criminal enterprise in fenced dysons by selling overpriced vacuums in big box retail stores. What is he/dyson doing to preempt the pilferage? Surely, a smart man and company with billions will not let itself be outwitted by a few dumb desperate felons. Carmine D. Actually the thieves are brighter than you Carmine. If you had a shovel and a lawn mower in your yard do you think the thief would take the shovel and leave the mower. Most thieves are buying for a hasty resale. Actually, my friend you're not [very bright]. Here's a true answer to your question. Think....I live in the desert. Grass doesn't grow in the desert. There's no rain/water. My yard is sand, rock, and stones. I don't own a lawnmower. I own a shovel. So, the thief by default would have to steal the shovel.
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CarmineD
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Reply #333 Nov 6, 2008 1:52 pm |
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Hello DIB/HS Back at you my friends. It is what it is. Sooner or later you'll take off your dyson color glasses and accept reality. Ball models and DC18 are dead/dying. Niche vacuum seller if it survives the current economic sunami. Lagging/lackluster sales for this year compared to last and beyond into the foreseeable future. Forbes list of billionaires for 2008 and beyond...your [DIB] fave measurement of business success .....I wouldn't bet the dyson Engineering High School after this year and this year is still an uncertainty. Even with dyson as the primary source of the Forbes information. DIB: When you upgrade your 3 year old DC15 ball model [you paid $300] with a new DC25, that you rave about so much, please let us know. HS: I've given up asking you when you will buy a new dyson. There is a higher probably that I'll buy a second new dyson before you ever buy your very first. And that I would bet the dyson Engineering High School on. If in the highly unlikely case you were to buy a dyson before me, this is certainly the appropriate place to say. It would be "NEWS." Carmine D.
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Severus
If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...
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Reply #334 Nov 6, 2008 5:38 pm |
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Hello DIB: The first clear dirt bin I recall in the USA vacuum market goes to the EUREKA bagless Whirlwind. I'm sure you'll say EUREKA copied dyson, which at the time was still a homegrown UK product. Note now that EUREKA's latest Capture uprights use color tinted bins to accent the color schemes of the vacuums. I like the latter better than the nasty clear bins. Did dyson ever sue over the copying?
The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable. The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking.
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HARDSELL
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Reply #335 Nov 6, 2008 7:11 pm |
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Hello HARDSELL/DIB: I beg to differ with you HS. If the vacuum thieves had superior intelligence and were bright, as you say, they would figure out a way to take $50 vacuums and sell them for $400. Not the other way around. James did the former. He's bright. He does it legally. Very good marketing and cheap [Mal] ASIAN labor. The thieves in these stories are doing the latter. Stealing $400 plus vacuums with all the risks and legal consequences to sell for $50 to $100 [your prices]. Probably asking prices. More like $25-$50 cash in these hard economic times, if and when the thieves can find buyers. Especially with the dyson refurb market legally pricing for $150 plus on the Internet. The risk now legally is not worth the little reward. Especially for vacuums! No resale/entertainment value! Sorry dyson campers, I don't impute/conclude any esoteric motives and meanings to the vacuum thefts as you like to do. To me, just stupidity and the gullibility of the thieves who are also duped by all the hawking/hyping to risk life and limb for chump change. Here's my conclusions on the thefts: James Dyson has single handedly spawned a brand new criminal enterprise in fenced dysons by selling overpriced vacuums in big box retail stores. What is he/dyson doing to preempt the pilferage? Surely, a smart man and company with billions will not let itself be outwitted by a few dumb desperate felons. Carmine D. Actually, my friend you're not [very bright]. Here's a true answer to your question. Think....I live in the desert. Grass doesn't grow in the desert. There's no rain/water. My yard is sand, rock, and stones. I don't own a lawnmower. I own a shovel. So, the thief by default would have to steal the shovel.
Actually Carmine there was never any doubt that you live under a rock.
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CarmineD
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Reply #336 Nov 7, 2008 6:48 am |
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Hello HARDSELL: Correct my friend: The Rock of Ages! Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
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Reply #337 Nov 7, 2008 8:09 am |
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Hello HARDSELL: Correct my friend: The Rock of Ages! Carmine D. Such a wonderful rock. No better place to live. Have a good day.
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CarmineD
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Reply #338 Nov 7, 2008 8:27 am |
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Such a wonderful rock. No better place to live. Have a good day. Pax tecum. Carmine D.
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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
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Reply #339 Nov 8, 2008 7:23 am |
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Hello DIB/HS Back at you my friends. It is what it is. Sooner or later you'll take off your dyson color glasses and accept reality. Ball models and DC18 are dead/dying. Niche vacuum seller if it survives the current economic sunami. Lagging/lackluster sales for this year compared to last and beyond into the foreseeable future. Forbes list of billionaires for 2008 and beyond...your [DIB] fave measurement of business success .....I wouldn't bet the dyson Engineering High School after this year and this year is still an uncertainty. Even with dyson as the primary source of the Forbes information.
DIB replies: Sorry to disappoint, the DC18 according to Airblade was a big seller and so it is kept in the line but is now called the DC 25. Yes I know they're different machines but they do exactly the same thing in terms of function (with the exception of an additional 20 more air watts for the 25). To suggest otherwise would be an opinion and nothing more. And to suggest Dyson is not exposed like most during the economies troubles this to would be and opinion.
DIB: When you upgrade your 3 year old DC15 ball model [you paid $300] with a new DC25, that you rave about so much, please let us know. HS: I've given up asking you when you will buy a new dyson. There is a higher probably that I'll buy a second new dyson before you ever buy your very first. And that I would bet the dyson Engineering High School on. If in the highly unlikely case you were to buy a dyson before me, this is certainly the appropriate place to say. It would be "NEWS." DIB replies: Purchasing a demo and then driving it into the ground in my home and in my garage proves the Dyson is bullet proof. And I will continue to drive into the ground until it fails. Re: The success of the DC25... I suggest you telephone Miele and Hoover Candy to answer your Dyson steerable contention.
Carmine D.
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